Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

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  • Top manager in charge of a major rebuild. Needs more time and/or money.

    Votes: 684 43.8%

  • Made improvements but we've stagnated. Sack him if we drop out of top 4

    Votes: 377 24.1%

  • He's not the right fit. Sack him and get someone else who can get more out of our squad

    Votes: 502 32.1%
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I am happy with what he's been doing in the press conferences lately. I see Woodward is okay with it and perhaps has given him a green signal to deal with the issues however he wants to.
He needs to be the one to finally change this lazy mentality around the club since Fergie left. We're not Chigaco fire were you just enjoy your football. He is pushing the squad hard and putting them under pressure which will result in a much better next season.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Normally when things escalate to this level the board will get rid of the manager as opposed to a couple of players. Not saying it's going to be the case here, or indeed it should be, but that's normally the outcome.
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I was reading an article here a few weeks? ago that the club would sell anyone who isnt behind Jose in the summer. I am pretty sure i was reading something along these lines here.
 
Do we as a club need more quality players? Yes.
Do you need a high IQ for that? No.

However it does not hide the fact that Jose has unearthed his footballing methods which are not flexible - showing that he as a manager has 'favourites' for a certain type of footballer; the same type of footballer that see's the likes of De bryune & Salah leaving the club to only bite his clubs back in the arse afterwards.

It is literally the only manager in the world where I put the players above him. He can only win with a method; a method of player & nothing else.
 
izec said:
I was reading an article here a few weeks? ago that the club would sell anyone who isnt behind Jose in the summer. I am pretty sure i was reading something along these lines here.
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I think they may with certain players. But the way he's going on we're talking about quite a few. Something is going to give
 
Mou is right that we have too few players with the personality to stand up when it counts. Some because they are footballing babies such as Rashford and martial, and some because they are just not at that level.

We need to clear out more players this summer and bring in more experienced game changers.
 
engulfing said:
Mou is right that we have too few players with the personality to stand up when it counts. Some because they are footballing babies such as Rashford and martial, and some because they are just not at that level.

We need to clear out more players this summer and bring in more experienced game changers.
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Just don't let Jose do it; he sells the wrong ones.
 
I think the players are a bit disillusioned by the way they’re asked to play whilst Jose is Jose and won’t change his ways leading to this current ‘stand off’. I’m 100% convinced this is why Pogba is out of the team he doesn’t wanna play a holding role in a midfield 2.

Being asked to play defensive most games whilst not getting the results must be disheartening. Jose today mentioned he’s been working on faster build up play and wasn’t happy with the defensive passing/movement so maybe he’s trying to compromise with the players.
 
Jose is right about our players lacking personality.

It’s noticeable when we get close to goal how often our attackers lay it off, hoping someone else will take responsibility for doing something special.

In the past we had players who’d step into the breach in those circumstances. Even in the ‘zombie football’ era, if we were just pinging it about aimlessly someone would put a stop to it and make something happen. I remember one particular instance, think it was at home to West Brom, in which we were wasting our territorial advantage. Fergie introduced RVP to remedy it and within a few minutes he picked up the ball on the edge of the box and curled one into the top corner.

Nowadays we have nobody like that. Nobody who just puts a stop to the endless layoffs and utterly redundant 1-2s, nobody who just says right lads I’m scoring here and rifles one in from range.

We’ve gone from Cantona and Ronaldo to this... :nono:
 
Mickfoley said:
I am happy with what he's been doing in the press conferences lately. I see Woodward is okay with it and perhaps has given him a green signal to deal with the issues however he wants to.
He needs to be the one to finally change this lazy mentality around the club since Fergie left. We're not Chigaco fire were you just enjoy your football. He is pushing the squad hard and putting them under pressure which will result in a much better next season.
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I see where you’re coming from but the problem for me is if he’s digging out players in public without giving them the coaching/support to make the improvements. If that’s the case, it’s demoralising. He’s expecting the kind of leaps forward from our players you’re seeing from Salah at ‘pool or Sterling at City, but is there anyone at United capable of supporting players to produce those kinds of technical advances to their game?

If not, what happens next? You can’t just tell a player in public to play better. Luke Shaw, for example, needs much much more than that.

I dunno, maybe he gives the players more coaching than I fear, or else one of his minions does, but I just see him piling all the responsibility onto the players without providing the support.
 
Nuts said:
I see where you’re coming from but the problem for me is if he’s digging out players in public without giving them the coaching/support to make the improvements. If that’s the case, it’s demoralising. He’s expecting the kind of leaps forward from our players you’re seeing from Salah at ‘pool or Sterling at City, but is there anyone at United capable of supporting players to produce those kinds of technical advances to their game?

If not, what happens next? You can’t just tell a player in public to play better. Luke Shaw, for example, needs much much more than that.

I dunno, maybe he gives the players more coaching than I fear, or else one of his minions does, but I just see him piling all the responsibility onto the players without providing the support.
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No, he doesn't. He needs to leave. Frankly, he's been one of the worst signings we've made in recent years.
 
I am with jose for this. It's about time he start throwing the player under the bus , at least it's proving that he also notice what fans see and he isn't happy with our football either. Let's see who rise & who fall under these "public" pressure , our players has been too protected lately , when they played badly , they have to be scrutinized for both in public & private , they are public figure, professional footballer who being paid very handsomely. He said he has nothing to lose , i can only think that jose has discuss this approach with the board & being given the green light.
 
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Jose was and is the wrong man to take over LVG.

To Jose and his fans - united is a club with no winning mentality and no footballing heritage of quality players.

He is blind to the players like Chong, Gomes, Tuenzebe, TFM that are waiting around the corner to eventually play with the likes of Rashford, Lingard, Martial, Pogba - I have not had to think deep to mention these players & there is more of the similar style of footballing mentality within our club. However in comparison to the mentality that Jose requires to be successful there is none. He want's the 30+ year old Matic x 11; which is fair in doses but if he could, he would gladly have a near full XI of them; because they are experienced enough to go out by themselves and play the way that is required to garner a win.

Yes we would not win the league with these young players but we would at least be a step ahead of City in development in comparison to the dross that is being served up now potentially playing something better than volleyball with our feet.

Idiotic move by the board; one full or rush and panic for a quick fix of success. Best thing that can happen now is that he has lost the dressing room & he stops giving a sh*t himself.
 
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Jose is right about our players lacking personality.

It’s noticeable when we get close to goal how often our attackers lay it off, hoping someone else will take responsibility for doing something special.

In the past we had players who’d step into the breach in those circumstances. Even in the ‘zombie football’ era, if we were just pinging it about aimlessly someone would put a stop to it and make something happen. I remember one particular instance, think it was at home to West Brom, in which we were wasting our territorial advantage. Fergie introduced RVP to remedy it and within a few minutes he picked up the ball on the edge of the box and curled one into the top corner.

Nowadays we have nobody like that. Nobody who just puts a stop to the endless layoffs and utterly redundant 1-2s, nobody who just says right lads I’m scoring here and rifles one in from range.

We’ve gone from Cantona and Ronaldo to this... :nono:
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LvG really reprogrammed the brains of many of them and its proving difficult to undo it. We need one more world class attacking player. Martial lingard and Rashford are for the future and will be back ups.
 
So none of our attacking players have been listening to Mourinho all season? Can't believe some people are lapping this rubbish up. Our attack has been so crap because all our attacking players simultaneously can't process Joses instructions :lol:
 
Haddock said:
According to the Mourinho out crowd he is useless and past it. Ask them who they would like coaching us?

Klopp? They'd say he is a yellow toothed fraud who can't set up to defend and bottles finals.
Conte? They'd say a toupee wearing fraud who runs his players into the ground.
Allegri? Shit on a stick football.
Tuchel? He's off to Bayern Munich.
Wenger? well....
Pochettino? He is unobtainable.
Pep? Same situation.
Ancelotti? Can't win a league title and spends millions.
The hipster's choices - Bielsa, Slutsky or Jardim? Doubtful if the club would go for them.

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Sven. :cool:
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You just made up a lot of weird assumptions for a lot of people
 
People backing Jose and asking him to get rid of our players are deluded.

Who’s he going to sign? More shit players?

The two wide players he signed are Sanchez and Mkhitaryan. Hideous signings. Even if Sanchez turns it around, it’s obvious he would never be as good he was abt Arsenal.

The two strikers he signed were Lukaku and Zlatan. Zlatan was simply decent considering we got him on a free. Lukaku has been average or even below average considering the huge fee we paid and our expectations at the beginning of the season. He’s on 14 PL goals with 8 games to score. He probably won’t 20 PL goals this season. It’s an average return at best. He’s scored 24 PL goals at Everton FFS.

In the midfield he broke the world record on Pogba who most would probably consider an average signing now. Jose either has no clue on how to use him or Pogba himself is just shit. Either way, it doesn’t reflect well on the manager who wasted such money on him. Matic has been a decent signing but he’s gonna get worse every season as he ages. He has been in bad form for the most part of this season.

We had the best defensive record in the league when Jose came in. Regardless, he went on to sign 2 CBs.
It still looks like we are gonna need another CB this summer.


Almost all the players he has signed easily perform worse than they were in their previous clubs. It’s not a coincidence.

If he get rids of players, all evidence points to the fact that he’s gonna replace those players with similarly poor players or he will sign good players who will end up looking shit in his system.

We should get rid of him instead.
 
After he bought Sanchez he was smugly talking about not needing new attacking players in the summer, now he wants to sell them all
 
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After he bought Sanchez he was smugly talking about not needing new attacking players in the summer, now he wants to sell them all
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It’s either he didn’t know that his system was so bad that even Sanchez would look shit or he mightily overrated Sanchez.

If Mourinho says United is a useless club, his defenders would find a spin it into sometime positive.
 
Freak said:
I’m with Jose in this. Time to clear out the mentally weak players this summer.
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Almost all the players he bought are shit and mentally weak. Is that a coincidence?

Who are we gonna replace those players with? Do you want Jose to purchase more shit and mentally weak players?
 
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Gbenger said:
Almost all the players he bought are shit and mentally weak. Is that a coincidence?

Who are gonna replace those players with? Do you want Jose to purchase more shit and mentally weak players?
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The mental weakness thing I think is largely nonsense, the mentality of the team is repeatedly used by the likes of Wenger and Mourinho to cover up shit performances. Every successful side (even some of the later Ferguson sides) would have players who have been accused at some stage of being mentally weak at times but the reality is that when you know you're good and that you're building to something good then the mentality will be strong while when you know you're not good enough or what the manager is trying to build is flawed then the confidence won't be there.
 
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The mental weakness thing I think is largely nonsense, the mentality of the team is repeatedly used by the likes of Wenger and Mourinho to cover up shit performances. Every successful side (even some of the later Ferguson sides) would have players who have been accused at some stage of being mentally weak at times but the reality is that when you know you're good and that you're building to something good then the mentality will be strong while when you know you're not good enough or what the manager is trying to build is flawed then the confidence won't be there.
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This. It’s on the manager.
 
What worries me is that 3 of his signings worth 150m are sitting on the bench and rightly so based on their performances. 2 of them was meant to be the stars of this team.

Most of us knew that the rebuild wasn’t finished after this summer. But right now you can only point to 3 players playing at the required standard consistently.

I had hope that players like Shaw, Herrera and Martial could become important players and make the rebuild easier and less costly. That didn’t happen, and now it looks like we need at least 6 players before we can get back to the top.

Surely the manager has to get more out of this squad. We are doing well enough in terms of results, but few are having a good season individually.

I’m ready to back Mourinho in whatever he does with the squad this summer. But we have to make progress in many aspects, not only grind out results.
 
Gbenger said:
Almost all the players he bought are shit and mentally weak. Is that a coincidence?

Who are we gonna replace those players with? Do you want Jose to purchase more shit and mentally weak players?
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Only mkhi turned out shit and weak. The jury is still out on Lindelof. Pogba is going through a bad run of form and he’ll be fine (same with Sanchez).

You cannot possibly tell me that Lukaku, Matic, Zlatan, Sanchez, Pogba and Bailly are shit or mentally weak.
 
Not sure what to make of his post-match comments after Brighton to be honest. On the one hand they seem eerily reminiscent of his past meltdowns, and it's rarely a good sign when a manager attacks his players publicly in this way. They do call into question his ability to get the players to perform the way he wants them to, and the timing seems very strange given we've had plenty of similar performances earlier in the season which have not prompted anything remotely like this reaction from him.

On the other hand I can't help but feel that there's a big mentality problem in our squad, and I'm not sure how much of that can be laid at Mourinho's feet. Let's not forget that van Gaal said pretty much exactly the same thing, questioning the players' desire and wanting them to be more 'horny', and there have been reports in the press about Mourinho (and possibly LvG too) being concerned about how indifferent our players seem to react to a bad result. As much as I'm underwhelmed by the work Mourinho has done so far I don't for a second believe that sacking him will make all those problems go away. Too many of our players seem content with just showing up for games, and enjoying their status as Manchester United players and the money, status and lifestyle that comes with it, and they don't seem too bothered with actually living up to the demands and expectations that come with playing for this club. That's a big worry.

I think this will go one of two ways: either Mourinho leaves or gets sacked after the season ends, or if he stays he'll have a massive clearout in the summer to set an example, which could possibly include some of our bigger stars. I'm just not sure which option I prefer at this point, despite being sick to death of his tactics and our shite football.
 
zenith said:
Mourinho was instrumental in our past three wins prior to Seville. I honestly don't know what got into him for that game and he totally bottled. This is something I'm sure he realizes.

We are a comfortable second in the league and generally doing well, so I'm inclined to give Jose more leeway. Another transfer window with a couple of high quality additions and some more deadwood like fellani out and we'll be even better next season.
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I said before and I'll say again, I suspect the Seville game will change him for the better but of course he won't admit this to us.
 
Borden said:
Not sure what to make of his post-match comments after Brighton to be honest. On the one hand they seem eerily reminiscent of his past meltdowns, and it's rarely a good sign when a manager attacks his players publicly in this way. They do call into question his ability to get the players to perform the way he wants them to, and the timing seems very strange given we've had plenty of similar performances earlier in the season which have not prompted anything remotely like this reaction from him.

On the other hand I can't help but feel that there's a big mentality problem in our squad, and I'm not sure how much of that can be laid at Mourinho's feet. Let's not forget that van Gaal said pretty much exactly the same thing, questioning the players' desire and wanting them to be more 'horny', and there have been reports in the press about Mourinho (and possibly LvG too) being concerned about how indifferent our players seem to react to a bad result. As much as I'm underwhelmed by the work Mourinho has done so far I don't for a second believe that sacking him will make all those problems go away. Too many of our players seem content with just showing up for games, and enjoying their status as Manchester United players and the money, status and lifestyle that comes with it, and they don't seem too bothered with actually living up to the demands and expectations that come with playing for this club. That's a big worry.

I think this will go one of two ways: either Mourinho leaves or gets sacked after the season ends, or if he stays he'll have a massive clearout in the summer to set an example, which could possibly include some of our bigger stars. I'm just not sure which option I prefer at this point, despite being sick to death of his tactics and our shite football.
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Yeah this is pretty much where I sit at the moment.

I don’t think that our players are innately lazy or unprofessional. If their attitude were terminally poor they wouldn’t have managed the fightbacks from two goals down against both Burnley and CP. The fact that they can at least fight back these days suggests that Jose’s man management is achieving something, for all that the football is terrible.

The club’s policy of signing big names on vastly inflated salaries who’ve already made it and have nothing left to work for is hardly conducive to a hungry dressing room. Didn’t Ed encourage someone to come to United on the basis that it was “just like Disney”? Worrying if true.

If Jose manages to confront the Board with a few home truths about the way they’ve gone about things and get their backing to sort out the poor attitude, then he’s got my full backing. If this means not signing and, as you suggest, getting rid of brand-enhancing superstars who fail to perform, I’m alas not sure the Board will be so enthusiastic.
 
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He did. People should go listen to the second part of his interview on the BBC website. He's angry about the result and he points out that he (and all managers) cannot be honest to the press about what they really think of their own team's chances or which players are not playing well or are not good enough.

He also says he doesn't want the fans to lower their expectations but he does want the players to feel sad about the result and to use it as part of growing up.

I also agree with him that there are lots of people out there with ideas, but very few of them have a fecking clue.

He's angry and seems determined to succeed. I think he deserves the chance to do that.
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He even said we should have higher expectations than we do and that the players need to cope with those expectations.
 
Nobody should be supporting the potential sales of the likes of Pogba, Martial etc over keeping this man who will most likely be here for another 2 seasons at most if he doesn't have a massive meltdown before then, which looks increasingly likely these last few weeks. You watch, those players get sold they'll go on to be world beaters at other clubs and everyone will be left scratching their heads saying "Well clearly they didn't have the mentality to be a United player, the club was too big for them"
 
Can’t believe the amount of people blindly buying the whole mentality bullshit and the need to ship out and in.

We have the players to force a real title challenge. Jose has failed to create a progressive culture and style here and now he’s spouting BS. He’s failed to get the most out of a superbly talented squad.

Said it before and I’ll say it again. We will never win a title under Jose, and his lack of progressiveness will hurt us in the long term. Get rid.
 
LeftyBlaster said:
Can’t believe the amount of people blindly buying the whole mentality bullshit and the need to ship out and in.

We have the players to force a real title challenge. Jose has failed to create a progressive culture and style here and now he’s spouting BS. He’s failed to get the most out of a superbly talented squad.

Said it before and I’ll say it again. We will never win a title under Jose, and his lack of progressiveness will hurt us in the long term. Get rid.
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Is it really blindly? In the case of Shaw, I really wouldn't say so. I really want the guy to make it here: he's young, English, extremely talented, but more than one manager has called him out.

Even yesterday, I was screaming at the tv for him to overlap on the left side because of how narrow our forwards were, but he simply refused to do it.
 
LeftyBlaster said:
Can’t believe the amount of people blindly buying the whole mentality bullshit and the need to ship out and in.

We have the players to force a real title challenge. Jose has failed to create a progressive culture and style here and now he’s spouting BS. He’s failed to get the most out of a superbly talented squad.

Said it before and I’ll say it again. We will never win a title under Jose, and his lack of progressiveness will hurt us in the long term. Get rid.
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But would you say it again if he does win a title for us?
 
Honestly I get where he's coming from, we are saddled with lots of dead weight. We have good depth but not enough quality in key positions. No top defenders, our starting fullbacks are failed wingers, our midfield options outside of Matic and Pogba are weak, we do not a single right winger at the club and the wingers we do have are just forwards and playmakers shoehorned out wide. We have great individuals but the squad does need further renovation. That being said part of it is on him, he has not been ruthless enough in getting these players out. Why keep Darmian and Blind if you wont play them? Why keep the likes of Shaw, Smalling and Rojo around when they aren't at the level required? Why sign a 30m cb like Lindelof only for him to be a squad player? The players have to be better I agree but at the same time the manager has got to start being ruthless with shifting out the dead weight.
 
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Honestly I get where he's coming from, we are saddled with lots of dead weight. We have good depth but not enough quality in key positions. No top defenders, our starting fullbacks are failed wingers, our midfield options outside of Matic and Pogba are weak, we do not a single right winger at the club and the wingers we do have are just forwards and playmakers shoehorned out wide. We have great individuals but the squad does need further renovation. That being said part of it is on him, he has not been ruthless enough in getting these players out. Why keep Darmian and Blind if you wont pay them? Why keep the likes of Shaw, Smalling and Rojo around when they aren't at the level required? Why sign a 30m cb like Lindelof only for him to be a squad player? The players have to be better I agree but at the same time the manager has got to start being ruthless with shifting out the dead weight.
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He did get rid of certain players. We just couldn’t do it all once. That’s why it’s just a process. It was three years under Moyes and van Gaal. It’s only been 2 under Jose. There was a deteriotation of the squad that needed to be fixed over time.

Had Jose came in after SAF or Moyes we would be so much better off. Van Gaal added a lot of players that simply aren’t good enough. He allowed this passive mentality to creep in. They were told to make these pointless passes and the standards at this club slipped.
 
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