No one is hung up about it (unless you are?). It was relevant though which was the point.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Yeah, that's what daft. Not your silly overly defensive responses.
It's not that daft when people are being criticized for having the same opinion about the current situation.
He's basically convinced people that Sevilla are a better team than us and people are lapping it up. There'd be a lot less division amongst the supporters if he'd just held his hands up and said yep, i got it wrong. Instead, zero accountability, excuses and bizarrely trashing our history and belitting Sir Alex a little bit. Still, it was passionate i guess? That's what really matters.
But he didn't say he didn't believe we could get past Sevilla. You have concluded this yourself. He said he didn't think we are currently good enough to win the tournament. He also said he couldn't say this until after we went out and he said this in response to one of the bell end journalists baiting him with a quote where he'd said we can taste the quarter finals.
Sevilla are not top tier in the tournament and neither are we. So one mid-quality side knocked out another mid-quality side on the basis of being a bit better over two legs.
I'm amazed this loss has made all the managerial experts on here so upset given they all tell us regularly how shit we are.
When did Ferguson ever admit he got it wrong? We went out of the CL to some sides with barely a whimper
Monaco, Benfica, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Real Madrid in 2000 who were not at all a great side but we drew 0-0 away from home then got beaten at home. We also got knocked out by less than vintage Bayern Munich sides on a couple of occasions.
Don't remember Sir Alex coming out and saying he messed up after any of those.
I respect the passion he showed in confronting the press in such a manner.
But holding zero accountability for losing to Sevilla over two legs is unacceptable. I couldn't do that in my job, and instead point out the mediocrity I have achieved with less than ideal staff!
He has always been a poor man manager and development of talent. Now hes basically admitted he needs to buy in established talent to succeed. He's not a man to take a squad through multiple transistions.
It was a short sighted appointment, which hasn't worked in the short term. Why do people think he can make it work in the long term, despite having no such record of doing it before?
But holding zero accountability for losing to Sevilla over two legs is unacceptable. I couldn't do that in my job, and instead point out the mediocrity I have achieved with less than ideal staff!
He has always been a poor man manager and development of talent. Now hes basically admitted he needs to buy in established talent to succeed. He's not a man to take a squad through multiple transistions.
It was a short sighted appointment, which hasn't worked in the short term. Why do people think he can make it work in the long term, despite having no such record of doing it before?
The difference is how we played then and how we got knocked in most of those games we played well and were unlucky to get knocked out
With the sevilla we played shit and deserved to be knocked out.
That's why sir Alex didn't have to admit he messed up.
He started bleating on about how half their team would get into ours, how they've got great experience etc. He pretty much didn't believe we could beat them. I don't like his defeatist attitude, he would rather "not lose" than win first IMO.
I'm just not sure he's got that enthusiasm required anymore, time will tell but I feel he's only in it for himself. Having a big selfish ego will never create a good manager.
Imagine if he was England manager with the usual build up before a tournament when all the clueless people in the media start talking about how England might win a major tournament and how a young player could be the difference. Would be a reality check 
Imagine if he was England manager with the usual build up before a tournament when all the clueless people in the media start talking about how England might win a major tournament and how a young player could be the difference. Would be a reality check
Him and Guardiola wouldnt be very good England managers. They need 500m to build a squad, not picking players from a limited semi talented pool
I'm just referring to the home truths he could dish out. I don't think there is a manager out there who could do well with England, unless the remit included gradually building a side for the long-term. But that never happens, so nothing will change.
Gone from a side who at times was barely top 6 material to looking a great shout for 2nd. Everything else is bollocks.
We have an awseome squad. Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, DDG, Bailly I could go on, the point is we have the players but Jose hasn't found out a way to get us going. Surely he will get one more season and if he can't turn it around in terms of our performances he needs to go.
I do not think we need more investment in the squad, may be the full backs (not sure on this as Luke was looking good till Jose decided to drop him), but what is needed is better tactics, coaching and management.
I do not think we need more investment in the squad, may be the full backs (not sure on this as Luke was looking good till Jose decided to drop him), but what is needed is better tactics, coaching and management.
At least Pep can play to his players strengths (sterling) and can spot a dud (joe hart)
Which is all well and good, but what is the point if we can't get past poor teams like Sevilla? Might aswell not even be in the Champions league if that's the level we are at. Even in the Moyes season we looked like beating Bayern Munich for like 10 minutes
. Jose was brought in to win the big trophies, not Carabao and FA cups. If he can't win those (which it's now looking like he can't) then he shouldn't be the manager of a club of this stature. It's simple. He should get next season and then if we are no further on then he should be let go. Sick of hearing excuses for mediocrity.
Which is all well and good, but what is the point if we can't get past poor teams like Sevilla? Might aswell not even be in the Champions league if that's the level we are at. Even in the Moyes season we looked like beating Bayern Munich for like 10 minutes
Jose was brought in to win the big trophies, not Carabao and FA cups. If he can't win those (which it's now looking like he can't) then he shouldn't be the manager of a club of this stature. It's simple. He should get next season and then if we are no further on then he should be let go. Sick of hearing excuses for mediocrity.
That'll always happen. We could win the league by 30 points and slip on a banana skin in the CL. The performance as gutless and a disgrace but you won't ever stop that kind of thing from happening, it's football, it's knock out and these things are routine pretty much for every club but one or two in any competition every year. We need to look at the overall trend and we have improved, we are a better side vs what Mourinho took over.
Before this week all our previous exists from the competitions weren't all as a result of heroic fortitude, scuppered only by sheer rotten luck.
Can't dismiss all that because in one game under one manager we looked competitive vs a better team than we did in one game under another manager playing a team who weren't as good.
This is what I'm afraid of. I guess their performance later will tell us a lot.
Sevilla ain't exactly poor in term of performance in the cup competitions. Many of our players have little to none CL experience. They would need to experience it sometimes. Rarely to see someone who burst into the scene and win/progress very fat in first go. MoyesWhich is all well and good, but what is the point if we can't get past poor teams like Sevilla? Might aswell not even be in the Champions league if that's the level we are at. Even in the Moyes season we looked like beating Bayern Munich for like 10 minutes
Jose was brought in to win the big trophies, not Carabao and FA cups. If he can't win those (which it's now looking like he can't) then he shouldn't be the manager of a club of this stature. It's simple. He should get next season and then if we are no further on then he should be let go. Sick of hearing excuses for mediocrity.
. He loves the CL so much we got us out of European football the following season.The display is gutless and horrible worthy of the criticism. However, it's not like other so called big clubs never went through similar upset. Real Madrid streak of being eliminated in round 16. Bayern really struggled in the 2000s. Once they were in UEFA Cup, they couldn't win it and got spanked by Zenit too. In same period, they kept having so called minnow clubs in term of financial power, winning Bundesliga.
We should offer more than we currently are, but it's not the end of the world and we had been in worse situation the past few seasons.
Sevilla ain't exactly poor in term of performance in the cup competitions. Many of our players have little to none CL experience. They would need to experience it sometimes. Rarely to see someone who burst into the scene and win/progress very fat in first go. Moyes
The display is gutless and horrible worthy of the criticism. However, it's not like other so called big clubs never went through similar upset. Real Madrid streak of being eliminated in round 16. Bayern really struggled in the 2000s. Once they were in UEFA Cup, they couldn't win it and got spanked by Zenit too. In same period, they kept having so called minnow clubs in term of financial power, winning Bundesliga.
We should offer more than we currently are, but it's not the end of the world and we had been in worse situation the past few seasons.
What the feck? lol
Wrong word to use, but we have Lukaku, Rashford, Lingard, McTominay, Bailly having their first CL experience. Herrera, Martial, Shaw ain't exactly experienced. Even Ashley fecking Young didn't play that much with SAF, Moyes, LVG in CL.
Edit: Darmian is goner, but can be added in the Herrera Martial group
Yeah I mean off the top of my head: Dave, Valencia, Matic, Pogba (didn't play much I know), Mata, Sanchez, Smalling, Young. They're not exactly CL rookies are they?
Slightly disingenuous.
In LVG's last season, we were GD away from fourth and last year, under him was when we were really far away from top 4. Partly, because he decide to abandon the league.
So we weren't barely a top 6 side.
"at times"
You can't accuse someone of being disingenuous then deliberately overlook the clear qualification they've used.
Young is old but he is deceivingly inexperienced in European competition. Similar is Fellaini.
So we had Lukaku, Bailly, Rashford, Lingard in the starting line up who had first experience. McTominay started in the away game.
Yeah I bet it didn't help our manager is a rookie too in CL/cup games.
Yeah. It's all good argument after trying to aerobatic jump on a point. Jog on.
Don't make ridiculous points then.
Counter that please. How many other teams have similar number of starter in second leg of CL first knock out having their first CL experience?
We are not a mid-quality side though comparable to Sevilla.
We have world class players all over the pitch. Sevilla would dream of having some of the players we have.
Their players have less KO champions league experience then ours. Most have just played the one game vs Leicester, which they lost...
We have players that have won it and made the final.
If that performance was a one off then fine, it happens. But we have played really poorly for most of Jose's 2 year reign now, and had Guidetti scored that sitter in the Europa last year we wouldn't of even been in the competition, but that's but that's neither here nor there.
Technically we are a better side, but are still much further away than most expected us to be when Jose was appointed. It's not good enough.
Your pointless exaggeration aside, when people say that, it's usually in relation to the top teams. No one thinks United are so shit they can't beat the smaller or mediocre teams
But then how would you make a pointless defense, if you couldn't make up stuff.Sevilla ain't exactly poor in term of performance in the cup competitions. Many of our players have little to none CL experience. They would need to experience it sometimes. Rarely to see someone who burst into the scene and win/progress very fat in first go. Moyes
The display is gutless and horrible worthy of the criticism. However, it's not like other so called big clubs never went through similar upset. Real Madrid streak of being eliminated in round 16. Bayern really struggled in the 2000s. Once they were in UEFA Cup, they couldn't win it and got spanked by Zenit too. In same period, they kept having so called minnow clubs in term of financial power, winning Bundesliga.
We should offer more than we currently are, but it's not the end of the world and we had been in worse situation the past few seasons.
Sevilla were crap as much as some want to try sugar coat. A good team would of put 5 or 6 on them. As a big La Liga fan I can say they are the worst they have been in around 5 years or so. Absolutely no excuse for us to not be beating them with the level of talent we have at our disposal. I understand these results happen but it's more the level of performances under these 2 years of Jose, they just haven't been good enough. I and most people really didn't expect us to be going in to most games with so little attacking game plan and guile. It borders on pathetic at times the constant long ball hoofing to Lukaku and Fellaini. Jose's comments in the last few days have just fueled the fire more. Take the hit Jose, accept you messed it up and move on. But he couldn't, would rather slander the club and drag down our history.
We battered Dortmund and were unlucky and battered Leverkusen with a volley being cleared off the line in the dying minutes to send us through. Not great examples.
That's fair points. Some are personal opinions so I can't say it wrong, so agree to disagree.
Old Trafford really got behind him tonight, all I was hearing for 90 minutes were Jose Mourinho chants.
Feels like the end game for Mourinho at Utd yet clearly from last season we have progressed, 6th to 2nd is quite a significant jump,FA cup SF,CL knockout round,its undeniable we have made progress,maybe just maybe its many of the players which actually should be questioned,after all, we all know who are the rank average in the squad and theres quite a few!
Yes the football has been mostly tumescent but I am willing to give Mourinho the benefit of the doubt looking at the overall mediocrity in the squad,he clearly does not trust many of them and rightly so,you take out Matic,Lukaku and the general mental strength of that squad is terrible,on that alone they are not good enough to play on such a global stage,blimey how I miss the likes of Keane,Stam,Robson,Ince,Cantona,Hughes etc,get my meaning.
Yes the football has been mostly tumescent but I am willing to give Mourinho the benefit of the doubt looking at the overall mediocrity in the squad,he clearly does not trust many of them and rightly so,you take out Matic,Lukaku and the general mental strength of that squad is terrible,on that alone they are not good enough to play on such a global stage,blimey how I miss the likes of Keane,Stam,Robson,Ince,Cantona,Hughes etc,get my meaning.
Normally when things escalate to this level the board will get rid of the manager as opposed to a couple of players. Not saying it's going to be the case here, or indeed it should be, but that's normally the outcome.
Depends who the players are. If it's Pogba and Martial I expect Jose to get the sack, because they are worth a lot to the club. If it's shite like Shaw, Lingard, and Mata we'll just sell them because they are easily replaceable
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