It was a joke. Sir Bobby has been dead against Mourinho becoming manager.
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It was a joke. Sir Bobby has been dead against Mourinho becoming manager.
How can United not attack like hungry wolves tonight? If we lose, we lose but going out like we did tonight was not acceptable and showed Mourinho's cowardice.
Thats just naive. That would be how klopp would do it. Ugly football works, why do you think Burnley are doing so much better than other better endowed sides.
Tonight we executed the plan for 60 minutes then stopped after pogba came on and promptly loss. That doesn't mean the plan was bad. We just didn't keep to it.
I was just reading Barney Ronay's report on the game and this part might be relevant:
"It is hard to determine these days exactly what drives Mourinho’s manic caution, that strangely compelling desire to pre-throttle his own team, insisting only on victories that involve stifling defence. There is a theory Mourinho has backed himself into a tactical corner, so profound is his enduring dislike of the Barcelona-centred school that he insists the game be played the other way.
For Mourinho nothing has ever quite matched his defining victory in this competition eight years ago, a game at Camp Nou that saw his Inter team overcome Pep Guardiola’s peak Barcelona playing the opposite of-possession football, kicking the ball away, defending in a deep double-bolt, bending the basic notion of what football can be to Mourinho’s annihilating will."
I don't think he is that crazy but it's amusing if kinda sad.
Mind boggling, absolutely mind boggling, so the loss over 180 minutes was down to Pogba coming on in the 60th minute of this match? Your mind bending efforts to protect Mourinho are really disconcerting. The plan was dogsh*t, it was to sit on a lead that we never had against an average side that lost 5-1 to Eibar, it was total and utter cowardice over both legs. Ugly football works, well it certainly worked for us tonight didn't it.
I think that post was a joke mate.
He's not, he's been protecting Mourinho in other threads too, had the discussion in another one.
Apologies then. Wow ...
Up until today he had my full backing and full support. I defended him since the moment he arrived. After today some serious questions should be asked regarding his ability to take us forward.
Past it? Maybe. Maybe he's just the wrong man for this club. This negative set up would've probably worked for Inter who had players like Zanetti, Materazzi, Maicon, Vieira. Players who could pull of those cynical wins. Not the case at United, we were never that sort of a team. We would never park the bus like that away let alone at home in a CL knockout tie. The United way was to start the first 20-30 minutes like possessed and bury the tie. He was playing sith fire today and while usually I used to blame the players, today it is all on him.
Past it? Maybe. Maybe he's just the wrong man for this club. This negative set up would've probably worked for Inter who had players like Zanetti, Materazzi, Maicon, Vieira. Players who could pull of those cynical wins. Not the case at United, we were never that sort of a team. We would never park the bus like that away let alone at home in a CL knockout tie. The United way was to start the first 20-30 minutes like possessed and bury the tie. He was playing sith fire today and while usually I used to blame the players, today it is all on him.
The plan didn't involve us scoring then?
Nobody in their right mind can say that Sevilla have a better team than us (at least not the better players).
The amount of respect shown to a team that has conceded 5 goals 5 times this season (Spartak Moscow and Eibar among those swashbuckling free scoring sides) was ridiculous. I'm calmer now then I was at FT but my first impressions on this being on Mourinho prevail.
But are we really that bad? Is this really our level, going out against the 5th best in Spain who cant defend (when actually attacked) to save their lives? How can we, the fans, the players and even the coaching staff (including Mourinho) know how good we really are when we never test our limits?
I'm not yet in the Mourinho-Out wagon but he better win this FA Cup and the PL nest season. If we cant enjoy the sex with the woman then the babies better be perfect.
The amount of respect shown to a team that has conceded 5 goals 5 times this season (Spartak Moscow and Eibar among those swashbuckling free scoring sides) was ridiculous. I'm calmer now then I was at FT but my first impressions on this being on Mourinho prevail.
But are we really that bad? Is this really our level, going out against the 5th best in Spain who cant defend (when actually attacked) to save their lives? How can we, the fans, the players and even the coaching staff (including Mourinho) know how good we really are when we never test our limits?
I'm not yet in the Mourinho-Out wagon but he better win this FA Cup and the PL nest season. If we cant enjoy the sex with the woman then the babies better be perfect.
Yeah, that's how I've always been inclined to see things since his time in Madrid: his failure to catch up with the modern game seems like stubborness and egotism rather than outright stupidity.
And how about actually hiring an attacking coach now, seeing as our manager cant be arsed doing anything about it? Would be nice to have some variety.
When I think about a "signature move" so to speak in Mourinho's time at Utd, somehow I can't help but think about hoofball tactics and occasional counter attack goals against smaller sides. That's it. After all these years we still lack an identity.
When I think about a "signature move" so to speak in Mourinho's time at Utd, somehow I can't help but think about hoofball tactics and occasional counter attack goals against smaller sides. That's it. After all these years we still lack an identity.
Tuchel is the way to go. Young and progressive manager. He will have control here and not clash with power hungry people like at Dortmund (Watzke, Zorc).
Of course we could have done better but we had enough quality on the pitch to get a goal. The priority was to ensure they didn't score first which is all important in these kind of games.
Meh. Still think he's the best man for the job. Bad decisions today (Fellaini CM and Rashford RW) but all his signings thus far have been good (jury out on Sanchez and imo Lindelof). I think his worst mistake for us is not singing a top wide attacker and a full back this season - e.g. a Mahrez/Salah and a Kyle Walker. Sanchez doesn't count as he was a swap that we wouldn't have pursued else-wise.
Fact of the matter with Mourinho really is that we need him more than he needs us. PSG have a far better team than us and could offer him a ton of money to upgrade on Emery, and that team of attackers would play good football and most likely do well in cup tournaments under Mourinho. Us? The alternatives to Mourinho are really the who's who of who's out of a job atm. Compare our forwards to that of PSG and you see how much further we have to build.
Fact of the matter with Mourinho really is that we need him more than he needs us. PSG have a far better team than us and could offer him a ton of money to upgrade on Emery, and that team of attackers would play good football and most likely do well in cup tournaments under Mourinho. Us? The alternatives to Mourinho are really the who's who of who's out of a job atm. Compare our forwards to that of PSG and you see how much further we have to build.
He says the first goal was going to be important. If it's important then why did it take until 85 minutes for us to try to score ? Against Crystal Palace it was the same. We always wake up when we are behind. Why not play like this from the start instead of chasing it late on?
Yeah, it's funny when people target Woodward. He isn't signing players on his own and going over the managers head, these are players the manager has asked for. When the transfers work out Mourinho is hailed as a genius and if not those same posters point the finger at Woodward without the slightest bit of self-awareness.
PSG might theoretically do well, if their attack (read Neymar) goes along with playing conservative and tight at the back in every tougher game in Europe (and that's a very big if considering all the news emanating from Paris which make it seem like Neymar's actually in charge there rather that the coach). So, in essence, i don't think Mourinho's position vis-a-vis Manchester United is as good as you seem to be suggesting (at least regarding him taking over PSG in the summer anyway).
It would be naive versus Barcelona or Real Madrid but not Sevilla, how could you think otherwise. Inexcusable from Mourinho.
Wish we got Guardiola instead.
Ummm, are PSG still interested?
He’s so full of mind games and batting everything away that it’s hard to judge. Who knows what his tactics were, did he really tell them to dance on the spot and watch them knock it about?
I thought his big mistakes were starting Felaini and having Lingard/Rashford in the 11. As soon as I saw the team I was concerned by it, particularly the balance to that midfield and attack.
We just did nothing tonight, we didn’t press them, we weren’t really that cautious because they carved through us all night, no-one was driving the team, no movement in attack. It was just such a nothing performance.
I thought his big mistakes were starting Felaini and having Lingard/Rashford in the 11. As soon as I saw the team I was concerned by it, particularly the balance to that midfield and attack.
We just did nothing tonight, we didn’t press them, we weren’t really that cautious because they carved through us all night, no-one was driving the team, no movement in attack. It was just such a nothing performance.
Going into tonight’s game needing a win and we’re in to the last EIGHT of the champions league, game being played at home with 70k fans behind us and he sets up like that?!
Tells you all you need to know about him - first thought is always negate the opponent and keep the shape, rather than attack and go for the kill. He just doesn’t fit.
Tells you all you need to know about him - first thought is always negate the opponent and keep the shape, rather than attack and go for the kill. He just doesn’t fit.
Maybe Leicester one time but, could you provide another example of ugly football winning in: La Liga, EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A and Champions League since this heavy possession/attacking style becomed dominant? Atletico Madrid is tough and organized, but not ugly. Last season Chelsea was very good football.
Not even when Mourinho won it with Chelsea was that ugly, in fact was very good football most of the time.
Playing to defend in a low block and hopefully nick a goal to win it by the finest margins isn't an acceptable plan. Not for a club our size.
The biggest clubs don't set up like that and nor should we.
Being a fan of United does not mean I have to be a fan of Jose Mourinho.
The guy is a short term manager who has been unable to change his 'habits' and is just doing things the way that he has been previously known for.
There is a difference between a team climbing a ladder that has been previously set in comparison to a team that has built their own structure.
I cannot wait for the guy to just go through his obvious final year next year so this can stop.
Whilst all the pro-fans continue to find excuses whilst we are losing - they look for all signs of stats to back Jose whilst winning. Sorry you cannot blame the players when they lose & then purely appreciate the manager when they win.
Alot of player's are not of Mourinho's type - they do not deserve to be sold because the manager is an ill fit towards united.
Wrong formations, irrational transfers, inability to flex certain players whilst consistently flexing others, replacing youth with older players.
Literally counting down the days..
The guy is a short term manager who has been unable to change his 'habits' and is just doing things the way that he has been previously known for.
There is a difference between a team climbing a ladder that has been previously set in comparison to a team that has built their own structure.
I cannot wait for the guy to just go through his obvious final year next year so this can stop.
Whilst all the pro-fans continue to find excuses whilst we are losing - they look for all signs of stats to back Jose whilst winning. Sorry you cannot blame the players when they lose & then purely appreciate the manager when they win.
Alot of player's are not of Mourinho's type - they do not deserve to be sold because the manager is an ill fit towards united.
Wrong formations, irrational transfers, inability to flex certain players whilst consistently flexing others, replacing youth with older players.
Literally counting down the days..
He will probably stay for one more year, stabilize us and move on. By that time, we would also be better positioned to take risks with some new and upcoming managers. Even if you give him Messis,Iniestas and Ramos he would still park the bus and play pragmatic.
We will never win anything until he knows how to beat a press without hoofing the ball to his big CF. At times, we need to play the game through the ground as well.
All eggs on FA cup now.
We will never win anything until he knows how to beat a press without hoofing the ball to his big CF. At times, we need to play the game through the ground as well.
All eggs on FA cup now.
The plan was shite. We were playing home against an average side outside of the top 4 spots in Spain. We needed a win. Under no condition do you play it safe and shitty negative football. It's like if we played at Old Trafford against someone like Leicester and sat back and just were satisfied with a draw. It's fecking embarrassing and an awful plan.
How anyone can say the gameplan worked at any point is mind boggling since we looked second best all night and deservedly got beat. At home. Against trash.
Jose managing PSG 
Can you imagine Neymar and Mbappe under him - forcing them to cross from outwide constantly to deliver hoofballs towards Cavani or maybe Higuain or some other bulky striker upfront he decides to buy.
Jose was a translator before a manager and he turned out to be a great manager - however after Real madrid & Chelsea tenures; he has struggled to adapt to the modern game. Our fans might not want him, but PSG hiring the guy would be a mistake.
Can you imagine Neymar and Mbappe under him - forcing them to cross from outwide constantly to deliver hoofballs towards Cavani or maybe Higuain or some other bulky striker upfront he decides to buy.Jose was a translator before a manager and he turned out to be a great manager - however after Real madrid & Chelsea tenures; he has struggled to adapt to the modern game. Our fans might not want him, but PSG hiring the guy would be a mistake.
When Mourinho sits down in his hotel room later I would hope he looks in the mirror and acknowledges that he got this game spectacularly wrong.
Wrong line up,wrong tactics,wrong attitude.
Why cant we just have a manager who recognises what this club is all about? criminally we know we have the players to do serious damage,just play without fear,take the handbrake off and deaf dumb and blind teams with attacking football,especially vulnerable spanish teams at old trafford in the champions league!!
Wrong line up,wrong tactics,wrong attitude.
Why cant we just have a manager who recognises what this club is all about? criminally we know we have the players to do serious damage,just play without fear,take the handbrake off and deaf dumb and blind teams with attacking football,especially vulnerable spanish teams at old trafford in the champions league!!
I mean, that's about the easiest opinion to have ever
So many managers would be more suitedd to united then Mourinho. He's a good manager. Was a great one. But he's a defensive manager and needs a club who is ok with doing that. Not United.
I'm a fan of Mourinho, I actually like his personality, and I like his 'winner' mindset.
But... I'm starting to wonder if he's really the guy to take Man Utd to the next level.
I just feel that a freshening up is needed in the coaching. And I really do believe that Mourinho is not getting even nearly enough out of a forward line that now contains the options of...
Rom
Sanchez
Rashford
Martial
Lingard
Mata
Pogba (should be played more forward)
If I was Woodward, I would probably be feeling out a surprise move for Pochettino. But I doubt that's what he's doing.
But... I'm starting to wonder if he's really the guy to take Man Utd to the next level.
I just feel that a freshening up is needed in the coaching. And I really do believe that Mourinho is not getting even nearly enough out of a forward line that now contains the options of...
Rom
Sanchez
Rashford
Martial
Lingard
Mata
Pogba (should be played more forward)
If I was Woodward, I would probably be feeling out a surprise move for Pochettino. But I doubt that's what he's doing.
Main issue might be the fact that our defenders are not on the level of Mourinho's previous teams. Inter had players who did everything he asked of them right, Madrid had prime Ramos and prime Pepe, none of our defenders are world class. Since Mourinho builds his teams around an almost perfect defense, the answer is, just buy better defenders, not expensive attackers.
Ugly football works when the team buy into it. Do you honestly think our players are happy playing this way? I know Real players were disgusted by it, even Ramos, a defender openly was.
Against Barca, perhaps. Against Sevilla, who the hell is going to buy into that?
Nah, the plan was horrific. And coming from a past-it manager, it's not a surprise.
Gotta fire him now. Can't wait. Horrible manager for this team but enough has been said about that, that part is very clear now.
I do believe he's also lost the team and no one is buying in anymore. If he stays you likely lose the likes of Pogba and Martial, I can see De Gea wanting to leave, too, it's probably just a mess right now.
He needs to be gone, the sooner the better. Not in summer. Right now. He's lost the team and he clearly isn't the right fit. Horrible manager for United.
I do believe he's also lost the team and no one is buying in anymore. If he stays you likely lose the likes of Pogba and Martial, I can see De Gea wanting to leave, too, it's probably just a mess right now.
He needs to be gone, the sooner the better. Not in summer. Right now. He's lost the team and he clearly isn't the right fit. Horrible manager for United.
Bingo- This is why eventually we will turn towards an ex player ; not this season but when Jose is sacked midway through next.
Every year; managers are relatively younger and are ex footballers who have just retired. We just got beaten by one today. Its actually quite beneficial because they are able to recognise modern football as well as what specific clubs are about.
It's just the way the game is changing and correlates how ex-players going in to punditry & have been better than punditry before- they know what they are talking about & fundamentally - some will have the ability to control it.
What i look forward to the most is the fans - watching the fans get behind a manager who was one of our ex players; giving him the space to grow in to the profession is what is needed for this club to rebalance things from the top to bottom.
We are never going to work by changing manager every 3 years after having a manager for 26 years. We need a relative stability at the top & for that we need someone we can trust, give time to and appreciate them as they grow.
Funniest thing is - some fans might laugh at me talking about me chatting cr*p- however United's first plan was for LVG to manage united to rebalance a possesion holding team & for Giggs to eventually take over. Scrapped it all in the end and went the complete opposite direction towards a manager that knows more about the rivals style of football than ours.
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