Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[Adisa]

I agree with @Varun in that they probably won't maintain this sort of consistency for too long. Have a look at a quick comparison of where SAF had us sitting in his final title winning season:

After 28 games: Won 23; Drawn 2; Lost 3; Pts 71

Just four points behind this current City side lauded as the greatest every in the PL. And by GWK 30, we set the record for the most points attained after 30 games in the English 1st Division (77) since a Spurs side a very, very long time ago. I reckon City will drop off by the end of the month once the league is confirmed. They'll probably end up with around 90-93 points.

It remains to be seen but looking at his career, I don't see it.
We are talking about them dropping off but still getting 93 points
I am looking at next season and from where I am standing, I still expect them to get 90+ next year.
He's broken that barrier in 7 out of 8 seasons as coach.
I can't see why that trend won't continue.

 

[Android1974]

It's all coming as expected in the beginning of the season, possibly a 2nd place (although not challenging for the title), a good campaign in the Champions League so far, maybe a chance at the FA Cup.

 

[GM K]

Jose's quality and efforts at United are underrated here.

People never cease to amaze me. Last season the team won the EPL and the EFL cups and they said, 'those are mickey mouse trophies. Spurs had a better season, Liverpool had a better season, City had a better season. The only thing that matters is the league table.'

Now that we have moved from 6th to 2nd on the same league table, the emphasis has magically shifted to trophies and Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are still better than us despite being behind United on the league table.

 

[breakout67]

Jose's quality and efforts at United are underrated here.

People never cease to amaze me. Last season the team won the EPL and the EFL cups and they said, 'those are mickey mouse trophies. Spurs had a better season, Liverpool had a better season, City had a better season. The only thing that matters is the league table.'

Now that we have moved from 6th to 2nd on the same league table, the emphasis has magically shifted to trophies and Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are still better than us despite being behind United on the league table.

Can't say sensible things around here, you'll be accused of being a 'top red' and 'fanboy'.

Whatever it takes to shit on United in favour of other clubs is what is going to be said on here. The standards last season are changed this season just so the scenario can be created to shit on Man United.

We played some nice football last season, so you'd think the 'good football' brigade would have been satisfied. But they were still moaning about how we are drawing so many games. This season, our football has been less entertaining but we are much more efficient, the 'good football' brigade are now complaining about our style of play.

Basically, if we don't dominate a game for 90 minutes, never concede chances and score lots of goals it would be acceptable.

I guarantee that if some of these people were City fans they would be criticizing the manager and team whenever they don't perform at a high level (City have have had plenty of games where they have coasted).

 

[BRRRRAP]

Jose's quality and efforts at United are underrated here.

People never cease to amaze me. Last season the team won the EPL and the EFL cups and they said, 'those are mickey mouse trophies. Spurs had a better season, Liverpool had a better season, City had a better season. The only thing that matters is the league table.'

Now that we have moved from 6th to 2nd on the same league table, the emphasis has magically shifted to trophies and Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are still better than us despite being behind United on the league table.

Can't say sensible things around here, you'll be accused of being a 'top red' and 'fanboy'.

Whatever it takes to shit on United in favour of other clubs is what is going to be said on here. The standards last season are changed this season just so the scenario can be created to shit on Man United.

We played some nice football last season, so you'd think the 'good football' brigade would have been satisfied. But they were still moaning about how we are drawing so many games. This season, our football has been less entertaining but we are much more efficient, the 'good football' brigade are now complaining about our style of play.

Basically, if we don't dominate a game for 90 minutes, never concede chances and score lots of goals it would be acceptable.

I guarantee that if some of these people were City fans they would be criticizing the manager and team whenever they don't perform at a high level (City have have had plenty of games where they have coasted).

We may very well get top 4 this season but the plain truth is that with the undoubted talent we have amassed at an incredible spend we still play ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy.

We look like there is no game plan and no coaching whatsoever. Makes one wonder exactly what Mourinho and his team of coaches are getting paid for.

 

[ovoxo]

Jose's quality and efforts at United are underrated here.

People never cease to amaze me. Last season the team won the EPL and the EFL cups and they said, 'those are mickey mouse trophies. Spurs had a better season, Liverpool had a better season, City had a better season. The only thing that matters is the league table.'

Now that we have moved from 6th to 2nd on the same league table, the emphasis has magically shifted to trophies and Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are still better than us despite being behind United on the league table.

Can't say sensible things around here, you'll be accused of being a 'top red' and 'fanboy'.

Whatever it takes to shit on United in favour of other clubs is what is going to be said on here. The standards last season are changed this season just so the scenario can be created to shit on Man United.

We played some nice football last season, so you'd think the 'good football' brigade would have been satisfied. But they were still moaning about how we are drawing so many games. This season, our football has been less entertaining but we are much more efficient, the 'good football' brigade are now complaining about our style of play.

Basically, if we don't dominate a game for 90 minutes, never concede chances and score lots of goals it would be acceptable.

I guarantee that if some of these people were City fans they would be criticizing the manager and team whenever they don't perform at a high level (City have have had plenty of games where they have coasted).

Too much sense spoken here!

 

[Thomas A.Anderson]

We may very well get top 4 this season but the plain truth is that with the undoubted talent we have amassed at an incredible spend we still play ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy.

We look like there is no game plan and no coaching whatsoever. Makes one wonder exactly what Mourinho and his team of coaches are getting paid for.

You must be fecking kidding right?

"No game plan and no coaching" phrase just few days after he tactically outclassed Conte and won. Even Barcelona couldn't get a real chance through 90minutes. With the exception of Tottenham away this season in which game we looked like there is no game plan? When did we looked clueless? Yeah, there were games when team didn't play well and there were too much sloppy passes and lack of possession, but that doesn't mean that we didn't had a game plan. Just as defensive tactics nad defensive game plan doesn't mean no game plan.

You don't accomplish 2nd place in the league behind probably all time great City, 1/4 FA Cup and Champions League playoffs with no gameplan.

 

[Smores]

Can't say sensible things around here, you'll be accused of being a 'top red' and 'fanboy'.

Whatever it takes to shit on United in favour of other clubs is what is going to be said on here. The standards last season are changed this season just so the scenario can be created to shit on Man United.

We played some nice football last season, so you'd think the 'good football' brigade would have been satisfied. But they were still moaning about how we are drawing so many games. This season, our football has been less entertaining but we are much more efficient, the 'good football' brigade are now complaining about our style of play.

Basically, if we don't dominate a game for 90 minutes, never concede chances and score lots of goals it would be acceptable.

I guarantee that if some of these people were City fans they would be criticizing the manager and team whenever they don't perform at a high level (City have have had plenty of games where they have coasted).

Out of general curiosity i looked at the shots per game stats earlier and they really don't align to the doom and gloom. In fact on average its more than the 2011/12 season.

Doesn't mean anything by itself but when you add our position in the table etc

 

[breakout67]

We may very well get top 4 this season but the plain truth is that with the undoubted talent we have amassed at an incredible spend we still play ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy.

We look like there is no game plan and no coaching whatsoever. Makes one wonder exactly what Mourinho and his team of coaches are getting paid for.

The bold means I can't take you seriously. That will never cross anyone's mind if they actually know the history behind the manager and his coaching methods. Mourinho always has a plan, and is obsessive in the details he goes to when planning for games. If we aren't playing well then it is a lack of application by the manager and players, not due to the lack of a plan.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Obviously top manager in charge. Winning European trophy with players like Darmian, Blind, Fellaini, grandpa Ibra, unexperienced Rashford and slow zombie passing Rooney.

I would love to see Klopp or Poch winning anything with Van Gaal's dross.

 

[GM K]

We may very well get top 4 this season but the plain truth is that with the undoubted talent we have amassed at an incredible spend we still play ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy.

We look like there is no game plan and no coaching whatsoever. Makes one wonder exactly what Mourinho and his team of coaches are getting paid for.

Fortunately that is not the plain truth.

We have played about 42 games in total this season. I am challenging you to mention 10 games in which we played 'ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy' this season. I didn't say games we lost or games in which we had spells that demanded defending. I said games in which we played 'ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy'. If you can't, then shouldn't your comment be classified as extreme exaggeration?

 

[JPRouve]

Obviously top manager in charge. Winning European trophy with players like Darmian, Blind, Fellaini, grandpa Ibra, unexperienced Rashford and slow zombie passing Rooney.

I would love to see Klopp or Poch winning anything with Van Gaal's dross.

I want to agree but Bosz reached the final with a worse bunch of players which isn't great for Poch and Klopp.

 

[breakout67]

I thought Bosz was a progressive manager with modern tactics that are the key to success in football and Mourinho is past his sell by date? At least that's what was a popular idea until Bosz made a fool of himself at Dortmund.

 

[JPRouve]

I thought Bosz was a progressive manager with modern tactics that are the key to success in football and Mourinho is past his sell by date? At least that's what was a popular idea until Bosz made a fool of himself at Dortmund.

Neither statements are popular and have been popular. Most don't know who Bosz is, he is an unknown quantity mainly because of a lack of exposure at high level while regarding Mourinho the main question is whether he passed his peak years not whether he is good for the glue factory. Also no one in his right mind would put Bosz and Mourinho side by side, Mourinho is one of the best managers, Bosz is one of many potentially good managers.

 

[BRRRRAP]

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Fortunately that is not the plain truth.

We have played about 42 games in total this season. I am challenging you to mention 10 games in which we played 'ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy' this season. I didn't say games we lost or games in which we had spells that demanded defending. I said games in which we played 'ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy'. If you can't, then shouldn't your comment be classified as extreme exaggeration?

To be fair I can see why you might think there is an element of exaggeration in my description of our chaotic yet dull playing style. But extreme?
Hardly. All objective assessors of our disjointed rubbish football agree. So no, sorry to say, no exaggeration whatsoever.
With the talent at Mourinho's disposal our playing style and team chemistry have been absolutely abysmal.

I actually like Mourinho personality-wise, but honestly think I could do better job of building a team dynamic, myself. (probably couldn't though in reality)

 

[GM K]

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To be fair I can see why you might think there is an element of exaggeration in my description of our chaotic yet dull playing style. But extreme?
Hardly. All objective assessors of our disjointed rubbish football agree. So no, sorry to say, no exaggeration whatsoever.
With the talent at Mourinho's disposal our playing style and team chemistry have been absolutely abysmal.

I actually like Mourinho personality-wise, but honestly think I could do better job of building a team dynamic, myself. (probably couldn't though in reality)

Okay. I'll leave you and other objective assessors to your views.

 

[Borden]

Okay. I'll leave you and other objective assessors to your views.

It's hardly controversial. Most people (pundits, journalists, fans of other clubs etc.) think we've played fairly shite football for the most part this season, and I don't think you can chalk all of that up to ABUism either. You just need to watch us play.

 

[breakout67]

Neither statements are popular and have been popular. Most don't know who Bosz is, he is an unknown quantity mainly because of a lack of exposure at high level while regarding Mourinho the main question is whether he passed his peak years not whether he is good for the glue factory. Also no one in his right mind would put Bosz and Mourinho side by side, Mourinho is one of the best managers, Bosz is one of many potentially good managers.

That is literally what many people were saying as we were getting close to the EL final. I lost count of how many were predicting an Ajax win because they play 'better football' than us. Most would deny this happening because it makes them look foolish, and their clamoring for the next hipster manager would be ridiculed, but it existed.

 

[Ban]

We may very well get top 4 this season but the plain truth is that with the undoubted talent we have amassed at an incredible spend we still play ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy.

We look like there is no game plan and no coaching whatsoever. Makes one wonder exactly what Mourinho and his team of coaches are getting paid for.

For a team that hasn't got a plan or coaching whatsoever we're doing pretty good imo.
We stumbled on to 2nd and QF of CL by accident, without any plan and with most horrible football ever.
We have a talented, very talented squad it seems.


What I'm saying is you're extremely exaggerating things.

 

[Ban]

Okay. I'll leave you and other objective assessors to your views.

Love that part.

 

[JPRouve]

That is literally what many people were saying as we were getting close to the EL final. I lost count of how many were predicting an Ajax win because they play 'better football' than us. Most would deny this happening because it makes them look foolish, and their clamoring for the next hipster manager would be ridiculed, but it existed.

I quickly looked at the EL final thread, I haven't seen any of what you are suggesting, in fact this forum barely talk about Bosz positively or negatively.

 

[Claudio Salinas Ruiz]

Jose's quality and efforts at United are underrated here.

People never cease to amaze me. Last season the team won the EPL and the EFL cups and they said, 'those are mickey mouse trophies. Spurs had a better season, Liverpool had a better season, City had a better season. The only thing that matters is the league table.'

Now that we have moved from 6th to 2nd on the same league table, the emphasis has magically shifted to trophies and Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are still better than us despite being behind United on the league table.

Last season the team won the EPL and the EFL, in addition to the Community Shield, thanks to the title obtained in Stockholm is that today we are in Champions. The team has improved, despite the losses suffered, Mourinho has shown that if it reaches the players and they show this on the court.

 

[breakout67]

I quickly looked at the EL final thread, I haven't seen any of what you are suggesting, in fact this forum barely talk about Bosz positively or negatively.

You really looked at one single thread for that, it was spread out over the whole forum. That's what happens on this forum, people start creating multiple threads and going off topic to talk about the same thing over and over. Eg. at the moment you will often see someone praise a rival team and slag off our team when it's not even relevant. A lot of the forum were shitting themselves because Ajax player 'better football' than us, and a lot were confident because it was Ajax (sensible like you).

 

[JPRouve]

You really looked at one single thread for that, it was spread out over the whole forum. That's what happens on this forum, people start creating multiple threads and going off topic to talk about the same thing over and over. Eg. at the moment you will often see someone praise a rival team and slag off our team when it's not even relevant. A lot of the forum were shitting themselves because Ajax play good football, and a lot were confident because it was Ajax (sensible like you).

But Bosz wasn't seen as a great coach, let alone as good or better than Mourinho. Some posters were worried about our defense mainly because Bailly was out but there was no popular hyping of Bosz as far as I remember it was mainly an overrating of Ajax particularly after their first game against Lyon who was mainly Lyon's fault. Interestingly one poster in january said almost exactly what you wrote, maybe that post traumatized you and I would understand.

 

[Moonred]

You really looked at one single thread for that, it was spread out over the whole forum. That's what happens on this forum, people start creating multiple threads and going off topic to talk about the same thing over and over. Eg. at the moment you will often see someone praise a rival team and slag off our team when it's not even relevant. A lot of the forum were shitting themselves because Ajax player 'better football' than us, and a lot were confident because it was Ajax (sensible like you).

Nothing like that happened. Definitely not a lot of the forum. No one predicted we would lose to Ajax. There could be the usual bedwetting from some sure. But that’s always there.

 

[sunama]

Nothing like that happened. Definitely not a lot of the forum. No one predicted we would lose to Ajax. There could be the usual bedwetting from some sure. But that’s always there.

There were plenty on here who were shitting themselves over Ajax. I remember it clearly.
Though the majority of course, did predict that we'd win that final.
in any case, the problem we have on this (MUFC) forum is that people don't support our club, players or manager. It is absolutely bizarre.

This guy made a very good observation:

Last season the team won the EPL and the EFL cups and they said, 'those are mickey mouse trophies. Spurs had a better season, Liverpool had a better season, City had a better season. The only thing that matters is the league table.'

Now that we have moved from 6th to 2nd on the same league table, the emphasis has magically shifted to trophies and Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are still better than us despite being behind United on the league table.

A lot of MUFC fans here, who seem to hate our manager, players and tactics. It is quite bizarre.
Why don't these people go and support MCFC. They can wax lyrical about Pep and his players and the other people will appreciate it.

 

[Moonred]

There were plenty on here who were shitting themselves over Ajax. I remember it clearly.
Though the majority of course, did predict that we'd win that final.
in any case, the problem we have on this (MUFC) forum is that people don't support our club, players or manager. It is absolutely bizarre.

This guy made a very good observation:



A lot of MUFC fans here, who seem to hate our manager, players and tactics. It is quite bizarre.
Why don't these people go and support MCFC. They can wax lyrical about Pep and his players and the other people will appreciate it.

Meh. That’s a bizarre accusation. Maybe you have been traumatised by certain posts or posters and can only see the negativity while filtering out the rest. The forum might have had a surge of negative sentiment but to come up with nonsense like the forum doesn’t support the club is whiny and nonsensical. Maybe you also consider anyone who might praise any other club/player even once as someone who don’t support United.

 

[Borden]

There were plenty on here who were shitting themselves over Ajax. I remember it clearly.
Though the majority of course, did predict that we'd win that final.
in any case, the problem we have on this (MUFC) forum is that people don't support our club, players or manager. It is absolutely bizarre.

This guy made a very good observation:



A lot of MUFC fans here, who seem to hate our manager, players and tactics. It is quite bizarre.
Why don't these people go and support MCFC. They can wax lyrical about Pep and his players and the other people will appreciate it.

Is it? Did you love LvG and his tactics? What about Moyes? Did you love him?

 

[shamans]

Jose's quality and efforts at United are underrated here.

People never cease to amaze me. Last season the team won the EPL and the EFL cups and they said, 'those are mickey mouse trophies. Spurs had a better season, Liverpool had a better season, City had a better season. The only thing that matters is the league table.'

Now that we have moved from 6th to 2nd on the same league table, the emphasis has magically shifted to trophies and Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are still better than us despite being behind United on the league table.

We can very easily end up 5th. Some of us see that.

 

[Cliche Guevara]

We can very easily end up 5th. Some of us see that.

No chance. We’ve been second all season and still are after a bit of a blip. Calm down.

 

[In Rainbows]

I feel like I'm being unfair to Mou so I understand why some of you think we're impatient. I was always against him only because I don't enjoy the style of football played under him. However I did want him as a manager because I thought he would deliver major trophies. However, now it's looking like he won't because although the team is in 2nd, the football on display isn't good at all. I just don't see much improvement happening because of how disjointed we are.

I feel grateful of Mou to have gotten us back to the Champions League and that he has made good signings, but ultimately I would like another manager taking those talents he signed to the next level. I feel like Mou is another transitional manager much like LVG was (Integrating Rash, signing Martial, etc...), but also much better than LVG which makes me feel dirty to even compare the two. The football has improved and he has made some good signings. I'm still not completely done with Mou though. If he can improve our football to finish the season I will see this season as United being the clear #2 club in the PL. If that's the case, I would be willing to give him another season to improve the club. Because right now it looks like United are #2 by default and could easily slip up with the way the football is.

 

[Pscholes18]

Mourinho future will be decided after he gets his treasure trove of players this summer.

 

[Antonedwin]

Oh my , the negativity i read from some user here. Imagine if they support arsenal.
Be grateful we aren't them & mourinho isn't wenger , we are in much much better situation compared

 

[prath92]

We may very well get top 4 this season but the plain truth is that with the undoubted talent we have amassed at an incredible spend we still play ugly, cowardly, drab, broken, clueless footy.

We look like there is no game plan and no coaching whatsoever. Makes one wonder exactly what Mourinho and his team of coaches are getting paid for.

You’re kidding yourself if you think that we’ve been playing shite football all season. Yes we have had games where the football we played left a lot to be desired but we have played well more often than not

 

[Varun]

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To be fair I can see why you might think there is an element of exaggeration in my description of our chaotic yet dull playing style. But extreme?
Hardly. All objective assessors of our disjointed rubbish football agree. So no, sorry to say, no exaggeration whatsoever.
With the talent at Mourinho's disposal our playing style and team chemistry have been absolutely abysmal.

I actually like Mourinho personality-wise, but honestly think I could do better job of building a team dynamic, myself. (probably couldn't though in reality)

Can the football be better? Yes. Has the football been better this season anyways? Yes again. Are terms like rubbish, abysmal etc over the top? Yes again. Also, once you start pretending that the only ones who are objective are the ones that agree with you, it makes for a poor discussion.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I agree with @Varun in that they probably won't maintain this sort of consistency for too long. Have a look at a quick comparison of where SAF had us sitting in his final title winning season:

After 28 games: Won 23; Drawn 2; Lost 3; Pts 71

Just four points behind this current City side lauded as the greatest every in the PL. And by GWK 30, we set the record for the most points attained after 30 games in the English 1st Division (77) since a Spurs side a very, very long time ago. I reckon City will drop off by the end of the month once the league is confirmed. They'll probably end up with around 90-93 points.

I did not expect that at all.

 

[shamans]

Oh my , the negativity i read from some user here. Imagine if they support arsenal.
Be grateful we aren't them & mourinho isn't wenger , we are in much much better situation compared

And Arsenal should be grateful they aren't Newcastle? Some people think criticizing Mourinho and being negative on a few things makes you hate this club. If anything it means we care about it. Just because we are second doesn't mean there are definitely a few things that are concerning to me as a fan. Mourinho needs to step up his game particularly in getting the best out of players like Pogba and Sanchez

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Jose's quality and efforts at United are underrated here.

People never cease to amaze me. Last season the team won the EPL and the EFL cups and they said, 'those are mickey mouse trophies. Spurs had a better season, Liverpool had a better season, City had a better season. The only thing that matters is the league table.'

Now that we have moved from 6th to 2nd on the same league table, the emphasis has magically shifted to trophies and Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are still better than us despite being behind United on the league table.

The effort to protect Jose from any criticism and build any small achievements is also quite also underrated.

The goal posts never shifted unless you failed to understand them in the first place. Jose has been hired to win the big trophies (naturally given this is a big club). So everyone and their pet racoon knows that. He will judged by that first and foremost. Until he achieves those he will not be deemed a success at United. The next criteria for performance appraisal, in the absence of those trophies, that he would be judged by is how well he's gotten us playing and how close we are to achievement the aforementioned goal.

So no, trophies like the bloody league cup and Europa league are not the aim. They're nice for us fans to celebrate (and yes we should) and good for the trophy cabinet but this isn't why he was hired. Just like LVG wasn't hired to win the FA cup. Or Wenger isn't championed for his 3 FA cups in 4 years.

As for performance and getting closer to our goals, I'd say we are better than we were 12 months back but that doesn't mean we are well on our way to success. It's definitely debatable point. It's not like we're playing cracking football and it's evident that were well on our way to where we need to be. There are still a fair few problems and doubts many here have and for good reason. Performances and how close you are to success, unlike actual trophies is a grey area. One poster will look at results and say they're better and be happy. The other will expect that but not be satisfied with how well our flair players are performing as he feels they're key to our success. Or the tactics in tighter games may lead to negativity.

All in all I'm on the fence with Jose and I don't see any reason not to be. I like certain things he's done and don't like certain things he's done.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

And Arsenal should be grateful they aren't Newcastle? Some people think criticizing Mourinho and being negative on a few things makes you hate this club. If anything it means we care about it. Just because we are second doesn't mean there are definitely a few things that are concerning to me as a fan. Mourinho needs to step up his game particularly in getting the best out of players like Pogba and Sanchez

Yes. See now this is a legitimate concern. We are now up against a brutally good football team that Pep is coaching. Our goal is the win the league. If Jose incrementally improves us for the next 5 years not winning the league noone will be happy. So we should definitely aim for greatness at all times. I mean, after all, we spend the money for it. So, if someone is concerned that our attack isn't fluent or Pogba/Martial/Sanchez aren't played as well as they could, that's fair.

You can't put a blanket over all criticism and call every negatively slanting post a problem. I see this a fair deal and it's a exercise in generalisation.

 

[Varun]

The effort to protect Jose from any criticism and build any small achievements is also quite also underrated.

The goal posts never shifted unless you failed to understand them in the first place. Jose has been hired to win the big trophies (naturally given this is a big club). So everyone and their pet racoon knows that. He will judged by that first and foremost. Until he achieves those he will not be deemed a success at United. The next criteria for performance appraisal, in the absence of those trophies, that he would be judged by is how well he's gotten us playing and how close we are to achievement the aforementioned goal.

So no, trophies like the bloody league cup and Europa league are not the aim. They're nice for us fans to celebrate (and yes we should) and good for the trophy cabinet but this isn't why he was hired. Just like LVG wasn't hired to win the FA cup. Or Wenger isn't championed for his 3 FA cups in 4 years.

As for performance and getting closer to our goals, I'd say we are better than we were 12 months back but that doesn't mean we are well on our way to success. It's definitely debatable point. It's not like we're playing cracking football and it's evident that were well on our way to where we need to be. There are still a fair few problems and doubts many here have and for good reason. Performances and how close you are to success, unlike actual trophies is a grey area. One poster will look at results and say they're better and be happy. The other will expect that but not be satisfied with how well our flair players are performing as he feels they're key to our success. Or the tactics in tighter games may lead to negativity.

All in all I'm on the fence with Jose and I don't see any reason not to be. I like certain things he's done and don't like certain things he's done.

Good post. I don't understand how one can be at either extreme end of the jose assessment scale.