The pattern seems to repeat itself
That is simple and straight to the point. He is not utilizing our quality and as usual, causing problem with the players.
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The pattern seems to repeat itself
That is simple and straight to the point. He is not utilizing our quality and as usual, causing problem with the players.
I used to love Mourinho a lot now I just want him out asap
If we go through on this round, I don’t see us beating these big teams and getting knock out on last-8. I hope these result will attract PSG paid a big fee to get him after they had humiliated by Real Madrid this year.
I would of took 0-0 before kick off and I think a lot of people would have as well. One defeat for them at home in something like 35 games. They didn't have many clear cut chances apart from the save at the end of the 1st half.
Yes it was pretty poor and the last few weeks haven't looked great, we should do them at home and the it's the quarters. I do feel though if we get a Real or Bayern we are in trouble but I think everyone knows that already.
I am glad Jose is playing a youngster in midfield (people slate him for not giving youth a chance) I am glad Pogba is being dropped and Jose is showing that no one is bigger than the club. This could really help make Pogba a better player.)
I think against Chelsea, Liverpool , Sevilla (2nd leg) and Arsenal all at home we will really show what we are about. Sir Alex used to say "draw your away games, then win your homes and you are in the final"
I can understand why people are not liking Jose but I remember MOYES AND LVG. It was awful. I feel Jose will get us there and I think the games at Old Trafford we are in for an nice surprise, kind like the games against Chelsea last year.
Yes it was pretty poor and the last few weeks haven't looked great, we should do them at home and the it's the quarters. I do feel though if we get a Real or Bayern we are in trouble but I think everyone knows that already.
I am glad Jose is playing a youngster in midfield (people slate him for not giving youth a chance) I am glad Pogba is being dropped and Jose is showing that no one is bigger than the club. This could really help make Pogba a better player.)
I think against Chelsea, Liverpool , Sevilla (2nd leg) and Arsenal all at home we will really show what we are about. Sir Alex used to say "draw your away games, then win your homes and you are in the final"
I can understand why people are not liking Jose but I remember MOYES AND LVG. It was awful. I feel Jose will get us there and I think the games at Old Trafford we are in for an nice surprise, kind like the games against Chelsea last year.
We had one shot, just one! If we're this hopeless against Sevilla then what chances do we have against the better teams?
Here's the thing, right?
Suppose we agree with Mourinho that we're better in all areas since last season. That's progress right? more goals, fewer conceded, more points, higher league position. The supposition is that we're on a curve that will lead us to being even better next year and finally being able to win silverware, but, we don't operate in a vacuum!
We'll catch up with, for example, City, right? well, you have to assume that they also will look to being 15% better next season than they were this season too. Another year of squad cohesion for this years players and acclimatisation in the EPL and of course summer recruitment on their part. So, say we improve, but all the others will, also. There's no guarantee that we're on some title winning trajectory even if we do improve over this season, since others could improve too.
Suppose we agree with Mourinho that we're better in all areas since last season. That's progress right? more goals, fewer conceded, more points, higher league position. The supposition is that we're on a curve that will lead us to being even better next year and finally being able to win silverware, but, we don't operate in a vacuum!
We'll catch up with, for example, City, right? well, you have to assume that they also will look to being 15% better next season than they were this season too. Another year of squad cohesion for this years players and acclimatisation in the EPL and of course summer recruitment on their part. So, say we improve, but all the others will, also. There's no guarantee that we're on some title winning trajectory even if we do improve over this season, since others could improve too.
Even a past his prime Mourinho is much better than those who are available in the market right now.
I think a way past his prime Van Gaal was a little upgrade on Moyes and Mourinho was a quite good upgrade on Van Gaal, although not world class improvement.
We're still in with a chance of reaching the quarter finals and will most likely guarantee qualification for next season's CL group stages without the need of a play-off game as I don't see the team slipping past 3rd in the league.
He will never give Paul Pogba absolute freedom, doesn't trust young players enough and is nothing special as a offensive coach, a world class coach needs to come up with quick solutions to problems and be great at all parts of the team's set up, which he unfortunately isn't, but as i've said, still by far the best option United has.
I think a way past his prime Van Gaal was a little upgrade on Moyes and Mourinho was a quite good upgrade on Van Gaal, although not world class improvement.
We're still in with a chance of reaching the quarter finals and will most likely guarantee qualification for next season's CL group stages without the need of a play-off game as I don't see the team slipping past 3rd in the league.
He will never give Paul Pogba absolute freedom, doesn't trust young players enough and is nothing special as a offensive coach, a world class coach needs to come up with quick solutions to problems and be great at all parts of the team's set up, which he unfortunately isn't, but as i've said, still by far the best option United has.
Bringing SAF into this, as if there is any sort of comparison is insulting to the great man. Fergie would have this team smashing the likes of Sevilla on the road. In fact, the only world class player SAF would need is someone like Sanchez. Mourinho seems to need four more fecking summers before he has us firing.
This was a typical very tactical performance. Slight grievance is that Sevilla’s defence isn’t fantastic and we should have troubled Rico more.
Frustrating to watch though. Especially as our passing was garbage at times. You don’t mind structure if we make use of the ball when we have it.
Frustrating to watch though. Especially as our passing was garbage at times. You don’t mind structure if we make use of the ball when we have it.
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How does it not? English sides are stupidly strong at home these days. If we were good enough to set up in an attacking sense and expect a win then Madrid / PSG couldn't rival the quality we would have.
Honestly, I think its as simple as Pogba losing form while trying to bed Sanchez in. It has altered Martials position and so it all looks disjointed.
I hope he's just managing the situation since we would need an away goal against top sides if we do hope to make an impression in Europe this year.
I'd love to see 3-5-2 when Bailly returns though.
How does it not? English sides are stupidly strong at home these days. If we were good enough to set up in an attacking sense and expect a win then Madrid / PSG couldn't rival the quality we would have.
Honestly, I think its as simple as Pogba losing form while trying to bed Sanchez in. It has altered Martials position and so it all looks disjointed.
I hope he's just managing the situation since we would need an away goal against top sides if we do hope to make an impression in Europe this year.
I'd love to see 3-5-2 when Bailly returns though.
Will you be surprised if they beat us at home?
The problem is you and some others are acting like we defended well tonight to get a 0-0, we didn't. Jose doesn't deserve any credit for today's result. We were piss poor and outplayed for 90 minutes. If it wasn't for Sevilla beeing that wasteful or De Gea we could have lost 3-0.
Mourinho's plan for games like this these days seems to be nick a goal and prey that Dave saves everything.
I agree, this whole trotting out Fergie as an excuse for the crap being served up is ridiculous, especially when he wasn't funded anywhere near what Mourinho has been, I could just imagine Martial, Pogba and Rashford under Fergie when you saw what he got out of Chicharito and the like in those latter seasons where we went away to Shalke and bitch slapped them.
That’s the point I was trying to make haha!
Not good enough at the moment. The tactics, the line ups, the way we play everything is off. He’s getting really close to beating LvG in the worst football ever seen at OT it’s just fecking boring.
How can you have that talent in the squad and week after week serve up that shit it’s unacceptable.
How can you have that talent in the squad and week after week serve up that shit it’s unacceptable.
Like I said going home with 0-0 is a tricky thing as we have shown our fault in front of goal and bad defending from time to time at OT. . This result away v a really strong at home side isn't bad at all but our lack of form away v good sides under Jose not just after adding Sanchez but since Jose came is for all to see ...
I don't get the "tactical masterclass" angle.
Any tactics that requires your GK needing to make worldie saves sounds flawed to me.
Sevilla buries two of their chances and we're here having a post mortem.
Any tactics that requires your GK needing to make worldie saves sounds flawed to me.
Sevilla buries two of their chances and we're here having a post mortem.
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I don't understand your point? Shots on goal doesn't really matter if Jose set us up to shut them down? He got what he wanted and was so comfortable he even sent Martial and Rashford on to push on.
Surely to God Utd fans can see the merit in this? Spurs / we ourselves are the prime examples of wanting to nullify the home threat so the emphasise lies on our ordinary away form v top sides.
Its the smart play.
I don't understand your point? Shots on goal doesn't really matter if Jose set us up to shut them down? He got what he wanted and was so comfortable he even sent Martial and Rashford on to push on.
Surely to God Utd fans can see the merit in this? Spurs / we ourselves are the prime examples of wanting to nullify the home threat so the emphasise lies on our ordinary away form v top sides.
Its the smart play.
We know Mourinho doesn't coach his attack in the traditional sense - he relies on the players to formulate ideas, build chemistry and attack in the manner they see fit. And to be fair, that has worked incredibly well for him throughout his career. Some will argue that his approach is now outdated and maybe in the fullness of time, that will prove to be the case. But at the moment, I just think (for whatever reason) it's the players themselves that look flat, disjointed and short on ideas. Not all of the responsibility lies with the manager. In contrast to Mourinho, Guardiola trains and coaches his players to attack in a variety of ways - but when they take to the pitch, it is still down to them to work out the best route to goal. Our players lack that intelligence too often. Too often we look flummoxed in possession.
I think there are a lot of posters on here that assume Mourinho will get on the plane home tonight and be totally satisfied. I disagree - he'll have watched the game from the dugout and thought the same as the rest of us - that the attacking side of our game is badly lacking. So I think the real question is not whether his approach is outdated, but rather, does he know how to fix our situation?
I'm not making excuses for Mourinho, just trying to understand why the approach he has used so successfully throughout his career, is not working to it's fullest at United.
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Come on, he's not even close.
I've been a staunch Mourinho defender for his entire time here but his reluctance to change Lukaku and persist with Smalling is leaving me with no sympathy for him.
He's gonna get us back to the minimum expected standard, but his days at the top are finished, he's incapable of taking this team to the next level.
It’s getting there, it’s at the stage where we aren’t creating chances or attacking for the majority of matches. We’re drifting through games usually with a 1 goal advantage with 10 men behind the ball defending for our lives it’s infuriating.
Good argument and my entire beef isn't with Mourinho. Up until a month ago, I'd not even mentioned anything negative about him and my entire gripe has been with the players.
This is where my feelings have now changed. I ask myself
If you gave Klopp, Pochettino, Pep our attackers to use, would they be performing any better?
The answer in my mind is 200% YES.
Furthermore, there are some characteristics in our play you can only see when the manager emphasis on those things. Especially when it come to, pressing, movement and attacking in numbers. You don't see it from us. And the only conclusion I can make is, Mourinho doesn't lay emphasis on them.
Looking at these things, you have to look at the manager.
They score one and we‘re in big trouble. Still i expected a goalless draw, currently we‘re really bad and at home we have to find a way to win. As i said, i take the draw.
The lack of creating goal scoring opportunities is the most concerning thing atm. Don‘t know how to fix it.
Thank Christ for Celebrities in a Wheelie Bin.
It wasn't a tactical masterclass, but I doubt Mourinho will be claiming it was.
He clearly set up for a 0-1 and got a 0-0. Not the end of the world. The home side will be more dissapointed than us, they failed to score and take advantage. Now it's advantage United.
Tonight we did, in Spain. At Old Trafford? Maybe to an extent against the biggest sides, but that doesn't happen the majority of the time, at all.
That was his set up for a 1-0 win?
Needs to go. Portuguese fraud.
That was his set up for a 1-0 win?
Yup. That's what he would have set out to get. Sadly the players didn't perform, including #FreePogba, who according to RedCafe would turn back into a worldy if he was part of a 3 man midfield, yet he was annonymous and looked clueless.
They dont need to score at home, they needed a clean sheet. now all they have to do is score at old trafford which is possible since we will be more open and want to attack.
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Anything's possible when your best players, such as Pogba and Lukaku, seemingly have unresolved issues of one kind or another that make them ineffective.
Any sensible person would be surprised if we lost at home to Sevilla. We are very good at home and they are very poor away from home. Sevilla have the 3rd best home record in La Liga, they are no joke at home. If we can't beat Sevilla at home then we don't deserve to go through. Regardless of what happened in this game, the minimum expectation at home is to win and ideally win by 3-4 goals.
We did defend well tonight. Both teams created one good opportunity (Lukaku and Meunier chances). Most of Sevilla's chances were routine saves for any top goalkeeper.
If that was Messi or Lewandoski on the end of those chances then Sevilla could say they should have won 3-0 but that's why those players play for better teams than Sevilla, and it's obvious that we aren't as good as Bayern Munich or Barcelona so losing to them isn't a surprise.
The same Spurs who took the game to Juve? The way Spurs played is nothing like we played tonight. While it's a decent result, it's not a very good. While our home record is good, while Sevilla don't have a good away record, I just don't have a lot of faith in the current team. I could see us giving Sevilla a chance or two. If we're not on our game in the second game, then we're in trouble.
I don't mind defensive football overall, but you need to show a little more ambition, we didn't look like scoring tonight. If we're happy with this performance then we have no chance at winning the CL.
funny how the players never perform isn't it.... you know they really should be able to all step on the pitch together and the chemistry is natural
it's not like Klopp actually coaches the Liverpool side on movement and attacking strategy is it?
oh wait
To me he just doesn't look as motivated and hungry as he used to be and it seems to be reflected in the way the team approaches games. His teams always had a strong competitive edge and determination to them that seemed to come from him but I just wonder if he's lost a bit of that spark that helped him get his players walking through fire for him, and that's not to say he's no longer a good manager but I don't feel like we're getting the best out of him and in turn he's not getting the best out of this team, I'm not sure how that's going to change.
That was his set up for a 1-0 win?
It was brilliant allowing Sevilla to consistently have the ball in dangerous positions.
Okay, so I don't think that was particularly fun to watch and can't really defend our performance. However for those who seem to have forgotten, I'll leave this here.
Won 3, drew 3, scored 8 and failed to score in 2 in the season we last won the Champions league. I could be wrong but I don't think we set up much different in any of the games in 08/09 when away from home. Drew to Celtic in a fiesty game, I'm sure the game against Villareal was a boring game where we started Macheda and Welbeck (?), nothing going at Inter and IIRC held onto the win against Porto. Even against Arsenal, we beat them by countering.
Away to Cluj 1-2; Away to Braga 1-2; Away to Galatasaray 1-0; Away to Madrid 1-1
Away to Benfica 1-1; Away to Gulati 0-2; Away to Basel 2-1
Away to Valencia 0-1; Away to Bursaspor 0-3; Away to Rangers 0-1; Away to Marseille 0-0; Away to Chelsea 0-1; Away to Schalke 0-2
Away to Besiktas 0-1; Away to CSKA 0-1; Away to Wolfsburg 1-3; Away to Milan 2-3; Away to Bayern 2-1
Away to Aalborg 0-3; Away to Celtic 1-1; Away to Villareal 0-0; Away to Inter 0-0; Away to Porto 1-0; Away to Arsenal 1-3
Won 3, drew 3, scored 8 and failed to score in 2 in the season we last won the Champions league. I could be wrong but I don't think we set up much different in any of the games in 08/09 when away from home. Drew to Celtic in a fiesty game, I'm sure the game against Villareal was a boring game where we started Macheda and Welbeck (?), nothing going at Inter and IIRC held onto the win against Porto. Even against Arsenal, we beat them by countering.
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