let's re-visit this thread after the 2nd leg. So many people quick to judge, so many to predict we're heading out of the Champions League, yet will not open their eyes to the possibility that we play much better at OT and could win 2-0, 3-0 and progress to the Quarter Finals.
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That's shamelessly disingenuous. You posted earlier today that you listen to ex-players who talk about Pogba, so how have you missed the vast number of them who have come out and said that Pogba is being played in the wrong role/position? To make out it's an opinion solely held by Redcafe users is ridiculous.
Oh he's close all right, very fecking close.
Obviously that's not what he wanted, the players didn't perform. If he wanted that then he would not be a professional football manager.
at the start of last season when Chelsea brought in conte, we got jose, poch began to settle at Spurs, Klopp into his first full season, has jose made the least impression? The least improved by a country mile..
What point are you trying to make? I was stating that Lampard criticised Pogba for being a passenger. Which he is. I then posted that RedCafe posters predicted that should Pogba be played in a 3 man midfield that he would suddenly become world class again, which he didnt. So both my points are correct. Whats your point?
Pogba was played in the CORRECT position tonight and was awful. Which proves my point that it's not all down to Mourinho, it's down to Pogba.
I don't understand how anyone can defend the job he's doing here. This is not normal.
We did not win the CL that season. And in the matches you listed you have the 3-2 win against Milan in the San Siro and that 2-0 win against Schalke away where Neuer made about 7 spectacular saves.
I’m off him, he has a negative approach to every major game we play. What good is it to have players like Martial, Lukaku, Sanchez and Pogba when we set up to defend for our lives and hope DDG saves our ass every damn time???? Why not bring the heat to the opposition for once, it’s mind boggling.
We’ll probably advance but then draw Bayern or a fellow English team who will embarrass us. Every game, the other team has the majority of shots and every time all we say is “thank god we have DDG”. Now let’s say he leaves for Real Madrid in the summer, then what? Who’s going to save us next season?
We should go all out for Maurice Pochettino.
We’ll probably advance but then draw Bayern or a fellow English team who will embarrass us. Every game, the other team has the majority of shots and every time all we say is “thank god we have DDG”. Now let’s say he leaves for Real Madrid in the summer, then what? Who’s going to save us next season?
We should go all out for Maurice Pochettino.
That the whole world can see that Pogba is being incorrectly utilised by your man, not just Redcafe. If you are so respectful of ex-players opinions, do you agree with the chorus of them criticising Mourinho's use of Pogba?
Funny that isn't it, that Klopp has won feck all with Liverpool. Yet Mourinho has won two major cups already in half the time at United.
Yet he was played in an advanced 3 man midfield role tonight, and your man was awful, annonymous and a passenger.
I'm thinking the same. Especially the way we attack. We're very hit and miss. Excuse the pun.
But really I just want to see some expansive football and watching the Scouse and the bitters playing some excellent football just compounds to that want.
Yeah, meant to say when we got to the final. I think we've had to few performances over the years but generally, we'd tend to sit back and counter against most teams.
Because he's playing for an uninspiring manager who's choking him and drained him of confidence.
It's a strange situation. I mean, how many times did we laugh at Liverpool for conceding stupid goals and how many times did we praise them or City for their attacking football. You need to find a balance (like Bayern in their triple season) for your defence and attack. But Mourinho tends to show one extreme (the defensive one) more than the other (the attacking one). And I guess that it is taking its toll on the morale of the team. Guys like Pogba, Sanchez, Martial, Lukaku as our front 4, they're not born to stay defensive and protect a 0:0.
Let's just see how we do in three weeks and go from there.
Let's just see how we do in three weeks and go from there.
No they don't 'need to score at OT', they could score, and lose the game.
There were times where we were cautious but, I think it is highly overstated. Mourinho is much more defensive in big matches. I think people are being disingenuous saying Ferguson was exactly the same in big matches.
I don't think it will happen, but you guys should get Thomas Tuchel.
He transformered the counter attacking and "gegenpressing" team of Dortmund into a possession based team with great flexibility in just one season.
Most of you don't like Pep as a person but if you like his style of play...yeah, get Tuchel.
Gündogan said in a recent interview that Tuchel is probably the best coach he ever had, albeit Guardiola
He transformered the counter attacking and "gegenpressing" team of Dortmund into a possession based team with great flexibility in just one season.
Most of you don't like Pep as a person but if you like his style of play...yeah, get Tuchel.
Gündogan said in a recent interview that Tuchel is probably the best coach he ever had, albeit Guardiola
For all the excuses people make for Mourinho by slagging off the squad he inherited, you have to accept that Klopp inherited a worse one at Liverpool, and a club who haven't won the title for far longer than United. He barely had a back line worth playing when he arrived at Anfield.
This sort of football was getting on my wick over a year ago now. Even in pre-season, the warning signs were there - and I remember saying on here that I wasn't approaching the season with a great deal of enthusiasm. In recent weeks I've been called a negative bastard because I've been critical of the football. I don't think I'm the only one that thinks this way, though.
We're just not right. We don't play with any sort of spark, fluidity or creativity. I said a few months back that I think this will end in tears (the new contract swayed me a little) but I'm edging back to that stance. I look at Mourinho, I look at our football, I look at his way of playing, and there's a real debate to be had about his relevance going forward. It's like football is moving in a direction that he isn't willing (or capable?) to follow.
I'm reaching that Moyes/Van Gaal feeling of assumption. The one in which I know the next game is going one one dry, drab affair. Which is a real shame because this time we have some really, really good players all over the team. We're capable of being so much more.
We're just not right. We don't play with any sort of spark, fluidity or creativity. I said a few months back that I think this will end in tears (the new contract swayed me a little) but I'm edging back to that stance. I look at Mourinho, I look at our football, I look at his way of playing, and there's a real debate to be had about his relevance going forward. It's like football is moving in a direction that he isn't willing (or capable?) to follow.
I'm reaching that Moyes/Van Gaal feeling of assumption. The one in which I know the next game is going one one dry, drab affair. Which is a real shame because this time we have some really, really good players all over the team. We're capable of being so much more.
We were slating LvG for the shite he served up, the same is happening to Jose now unfortunately and with a FAR better squad.
Giving him a new contract is looking worse and worse.
Giving him a new contract is looking worse and worse.
Drained his confidence? Are we talking about the same player? Paul Pogba? Seemingly the most confident player on the planet?! lol... ok then. Secondly, if he is only willing to work with certain managers, then he's gone down in my estimation, if he's so good he should be able to work with a whole range of managers. Funny how Mourinho gets the best out of players like Lampard, Duff, Joe Cole, Fabregas, various Inter and Porto players, yet Pogba, the mercenary who left United for nothing because he couldn't get a game, he can't get the best out of. Funny that.
Tonight's result was fine. Have no problem with that, but at the moment, it seems that Jose doesn't know what he best team is.
He's bought a player in Sanchez, who, on his day, there's no doubt that he's a world class player. However, his addition to the squad seems to be hindering three or four players who were performing before he came here.
Jose needs to look at how he's going to get the best out of all, or at least most of these players, because at the moment, we look ordinary, and when you have players like Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Mata, Martial, etc in your attack, then it should be anything but, in my opinion.
He's bought a player in Sanchez, who, on his day, there's no doubt that he's a world class player. However, his addition to the squad seems to be hindering three or four players who were performing before he came here.
Jose needs to look at how he's going to get the best out of all, or at least most of these players, because at the moment, we look ordinary, and when you have players like Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Mata, Martial, etc in your attack, then it should be anything but, in my opinion.
He still doesn't have a back line. He's also won nothing. I like Klopp, but I don't think he's in the top bracket of managers because he's incapable of changing his tactics to win a cup. Check out his cup final record, it's poor.
Great post. The excitement in watching United has faded. I still look forward to games but my expectations are very low, this is exactly how it felt during the worst of LVG's regime.
Deary me, for someone who started out anti-Mourinho you'll now support the bloke through everything. You're lumbering Pogba with all the blame, relating it to his United exit and totally forgetting the intervening title-winning seasons with Juventus and France...
Regardless of the result look at the bigger picture. More shite, served up on a passive platter with no cohesion and very little attacking threat. It's all well and good saying "well it was a typical European away performance with a good result" the issue is this is happening on the damn regular when we aren't away to a rather average European club, might I add. If you are staunchly defending Mourinho at this point then you are a Mourinho fanboy and don't have the best interests of the actual club at heart, it's the only explanation I can find to defending this inexcusable tosh.
We have some fantastic young attacking talent and it's being absolutely wasted, sign whoever you want it won't make a difference, even Sanchez has seemingly forgotten how to play football already. But I know what people will say, don't criticise Mourinho, look at his CV! Just give him another 200 million in the summer for Griezmann etc things will definitely be right next season, progress! Same thing all the time, despite showing no signs he should be trusted with more money, and despite knowing we can't seemingly play as a team but the solution should be to just chuck more money and players at it till something sticks.
Nah, bin him in the summer, get someone in who can make use of our breadth of attacking talent and give these kids some excitement in their footballing lives.
We have some fantastic young attacking talent and it's being absolutely wasted, sign whoever you want it won't make a difference, even Sanchez has seemingly forgotten how to play football already. But I know what people will say, don't criticise Mourinho, look at his CV! Just give him another 200 million in the summer for Griezmann etc things will definitely be right next season, progress! Same thing all the time, despite showing no signs he should be trusted with more money, and despite knowing we can't seemingly play as a team but the solution should be to just chuck more money and players at it till something sticks.
Nah, bin him in the summer, get someone in who can make use of our breadth of attacking talent and give these kids some excitement in their footballing lives.
How can anyone be fawning over Klopp when he lost in two finals in his first season at Liverpool. The very same finals that Mourinho won at United in his first season.
Liverpool are also out of the FA cup (his football was definitely entertaining when they got schooled by bottom of the table West Brom). They also had a piss easy CL group and almost messed it up. I wonder what the reaction would be if we lost a 3-0 lead to Sevilla like Liverpool did?
Praising Paypaldiola over Mourinho is fair, because he plays more entertaining while winning things. Klopp doesn't even play entertaining in a good way; Liverpool are entertaining because there are obvious coaching issues in defense; add to this that he doesnt actually win trophies and preferring Klopp over Mourinho makes no sense.
Liverpool are also out of the FA cup (his football was definitely entertaining when they got schooled by bottom of the table West Brom). They also had a piss easy CL group and almost messed it up. I wonder what the reaction would be if we lost a 3-0 lead to Sevilla like Liverpool did?
Praising Paypaldiola over Mourinho is fair, because he plays more entertaining while winning things. Klopp doesn't even play entertaining in a good way; Liverpool are entertaining because there are obvious coaching issues in defense; add to this that he doesnt actually win trophies and preferring Klopp over Mourinho makes no sense.
I don't think it's about that. Well not for me, personally. I just want us to play some decent football and the truth is - we are not. Far from it.
I hate how we always back off when defending. The further the opponents get to our box, the deeper we retreat. Pressing seems so foreign to our players.
When was I anti-Mourinho? I'm not loyal to anyone in Sport apart from the club I love. I take everything on face value, and I feel you always try to jump on Mourinho at any opportunity. I just make my opinions based on non-biased judgments. You seem to have a vendetta/agenda against Mourinho and try to pour fuel on the fire whenever it's not gone well for United.
Back to Pogba, and I'm saying if Pogba is only willing to work with certain managers, then surely thats a flaw in his personality, right? You can recognise that, surely? I'm not blaming Pogba's poor form now on his United exit. I'm simply highlighting that Pogba has shown in the past that he is unwilling to compromise on things for the good of the team. I'm convinced Sir Alex would have turned him into the player he was today, but he left on awful terms. It highlights a flaw in his personality, which I don't like and correlates to his current situation.
Pogba did very well at Juve, but have a look at their line up, he was surrounded by winners, Pirlo next to him, an unbeatable back line behind him, it was a dream scenario for him, or any young player.
That's Smalling for you. Bailly, Rojo and Jones are all proactive defenders; they try to get tight and nick the ball. Smalling is almost always on the backfoot no matter what the situation; that's his style.
Our performances under Mourinho are not good enough. It's as simple as that. Please make us cohesive attacking unit and a team that looks like it knows what its doing. Then this thread would be full of praise instead of criticism.
It's not about one defender, it's the team as a whole. We are clearly instructed to just defend in our own territory without putting any pressure on the ball-holder.
You sound like a West Brom fan
Feck it hasn't got that bad, yet.
I think he's the wrong man for the job. I thought you were a Moyes boy/anti-Mourinho and one stage?
I had a bit of loyalty to Moyes in the beginning because of his ties with Preston North End and my city. But feck he screwed us up so bad in 9 months, I'll never forgive him for that, and for the lies in the press about us playing well to try and make him sound better. He's gone on to annoy me so much with his comments at his other jobs too. Wins one game with West Ham and say's he could make any Premier League side win games or something, he's an idiot.
I've always admired Mourinho's willingness to win. I want to revisit this after the 2nd leg. If we win 2-0 or 3-0 then it will be job well done.
Liverpool also conceded 3 goals for the come back as they cannot defend.
no you are not spoilt nor deluded. You just need to remind yourself this is Jose managing us. He will ALWAYS play like this away in cup ties
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