Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

Your stance

  • Top manager in charge of a major rebuild. Needs more time and/or money.

    Votes: 684 43.8%

  • Made improvements but we've stagnated. Sack him if we drop out of top 4

    Votes: 377 24.1%

  • He's not the right fit. Sack him and get someone else who can get more out of our squad

    Votes: 502 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,563
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Womp said:
Case in point is you saying it's our tactic against all opposition, but then using an example from one half of a game, in which they played a style that hoofball is notoriously good at nullifying. How many of the two goals we scored against Huddersfield came from hoofballs? I'll save you the time, not a single one.
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It's the most recent example I had, I could have used most games under Mourinho to be honest.
You're really funny you know, you're arguing something I didn't even mention either (how the goals were scored) when the discussion (for me anyway) was only about passing it back

roonster09 said:
I think it was obvious what @kouroux was saying. We will play long ball against any team who presses us, whereas Pep did against the best team in Europe at pressing. Also not that we will play only long ball but that's out primary way to beat the press.

Maybe I'm wrong, so open to correction here.
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You're absolutely right. I didn't even talk about how we scored so I don't even get what @Womp is on about.
 
kouroux said:
It's the most recent example I had, I could have used most games under Mourinho to be honest.
You're really funny you know, you're arguing something I didn't even mention either (how the goals were scored) when the discussion (for me anyway) was only about passing it back


You're absolutely right. I didn't even talk about how we scored so I don't even get what @Womp is on about.
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I responded to the second part of your post, edited mine, on phone sorry.

Also on your point about us not being able to play out from the back, I agree with you. Don't really think that's down to tactics as much as it is our defenders being shite on the ball. Even under LVG who was obsessed with that posession tripe, Blind was the only defender we had who was really good at playing the ball out from the back, Smalling always use to scare me on the ball. Bailly is okay on the ball, so too Lindelof, but one has struggled to settle in and the other has been injured for the majority of the season.

Your post specifically said, 'all teams, good or bad', didn't mention anything about teams who specifically pressed us as @roonster09 mentioned. If that was your intended argument, I tend to agree with you moreso than I did. That being said, we are still capable of playing against the press, as we did against Arsenal when we beat them, it's just not his preferred style as he deems hoofball more reliable, whether or not you agree with that is a completely different argument mind.
 
Womp said:
I responded to the second part of your post, edited mine, on phone sorry.

Also on your point about us not being able to play out from the back, I agree with you. Don't really think that's down to tactics as much as it is our defenders being shite on the ball. Even under LVG who was obsessed with that posession tripe, Blind was the only defender we had who was really good at playing the ball out from the back, Smalling always use to scare me on the ball. Bailly is okay on the ball, so too Lindelof, but one has struggled to settle in and the other has been injured for the majority of the season.

Your post specifically said, 'all teams, good or bad', didn't mention anything about teams who specifically pressed us as @roonster09 mentioned. If that was your intended argument, I tend to agree with you moreso than I did. That being said, we are still capable of playing against the press, as we did against Arsenal when we beat them, it's just not his preferred style as he deems hoofball more reliable, whether or not you agree with that is a completely different argument mind.
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No problem mate, we're just exchanging views ;)

Like I said I don't honestly care regarding how we build from the back as long as we could retrieve the ball and keep it a bit more. It seems like we go long but our main targets (Lukaku most of the time and whoever replaces him) aren't great at winning headers and creating something out of a difficult aerial ball. Lukaku loves running behind defensive lines. Martial nor Rashford won't win most aerial duels.
 
Fracture90 said:
Top red strikes again from you...hoe surprising .

Judging by your logic than you're a Mourinho fan more than UTD fan, right?

The sooner you understand that there are more and more people unhappy with the shiit style of football Mourinho has been playing, the better for you.
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I've supported United for 20 years. But feel free to accuse me of anything if it floats your boat.

I won't deny i love the type of football advocated by Mourinho and Simeone but to say i'm a Mourinho fan is silly.

The sooner you understand that Mourinho was won plenty and we shouldn't be an entitled bunch of pricks, the better for you.

Using your logic, is it safe to say that you are "attacking football" fan more than UTD fan? Since, you just shit on our football because it doesn't fit your taste buds.
 
Fracture90 said:
Top red strikes again from you...hoe surprising .

Judging by your logic than you're a Mourinho fan more than UTD fan, right?

The sooner you understand that there are more and more people unhappy with the shiit style of football Mourinho has been playing, the better for you.
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And you think that because I've asked you to stop trying to tell people that we should be playing football like City, Tottenham and Liverpool? It seems like you're the one who's tired of the football and you're doing your best to convince everyone else they should be upset with it too.
 
When will people get over this obsession with pressing and being pressed. In the last two decades we've never been a team that handled it or pressed ourselves, there's plenty more ways to win.

Sick of purists like the LvG theorists still around that insist we have to play a certain way in "modern" football.

Asking us to play it out with a team including Smalling and Carrick is ridiculous l.
 
crossy1686 said:
And you think that because I've asked you to stop trying to tell people that we should be playing football like City, Tottenham and Liverpool? It seems like you're the one who's tired of the football and you're doing your best to convince everyone else they should be upset with it too.
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Smores said:
When will people get over this obsession with pressing and being pressed. In the last two decades we've never been a team that handled it or pressed ourselves, there's plenty more ways to win.

Sick of purists like the LvG theorists still around that insist we have to play a certain way in "modern" football.

Asking us to play it out with a team including Smalling and Carrick is ridiculous l.
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Amen.
 
Defensively we've been very good, apart from a few individual errors here and there, which isn't down to the manager. Not happy with our attack in terms of the kind of football we are trying to play, again, poor finishing apart, we've looked very dull.

Hoping Alexis can change this, although it's not as simple as just buying one good player.
 
Fracture90 said:
Top red strikes again from you...hoe surprising .

Judging by your logic than you're a Mourinho fan more than UTD fan, right?

The sooner you understand that there are more and more people unhappy with the shiit style of football Mourinho has been playing, the better for you.
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What's with all the newbies accusing people of being a top red right left center. You know using top red argument is against the forum rules?

Frankly speaking it's insulting, most of us respect your opinion and bother to argue with you without needing to brandish out the top red insult and mourinho fan boy
 
Our most important game of the season and Mourinho dropped Pogba, Bailly and Martial on bench, Shaw out of squad. Smalling and McTominary start.

Only a win will rescue Mourinho's team selection. Otherwise, he will get the most criticism he ever had on his managerial career.
 
In the words of a famous Scot (not that one), Mourinho must have 'balls like fecking watermelons, mon, ahm tellin ye'

Big managers make big decisions. I'm convinced that the rationale is to get Pogba on side for the long term. We'll see if it works but you can't say he's taken the easy decision here.
 
If this backfires tonight he is in major trouble. Absolute madness decision wise. Let's see if it's a good crazy....
 
Meh, Ferguson dropping Becks back in 2003 was more heartbreaking than this.

Given the rest of the line-up, I think it makes sense. Especially if Pogba isn't up to scratch (for whatever reason).

Definitely behind Jose here in this case.
 
Team selection aside, his tactics need to be spot on tonight. Can't perform like we did against Huddersfield. The midfield and attack he's fielded tonight is more than capable of winning the game, as long as they're given the correct instructions.
 
Minimalist said:
Meh, Ferguson dropping Becks back in 2003 was more heartbreaking than this.

Given the rest of the line-up, I think it makes sense. Especially if Pogba isn't up to scratch (for whatever reason).

Definitely behind Jose here in this case.
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Smalling and Lindelof start, Shaw out of the squad but Darmian in. You just called these decisions make sense.
 
He said he was going to play Pogba against Huddersfield last week FFS.

With camera's rolling and journo's present.
Watch back the video, he was not lying.

Why would he confirm a player to start on a press conference a day before, then have the player call in sick on matchday, just as a sick joke to show who's boss?

You guys are bonkers, this is an important match and his ass is on the line too. There's no way he'd do this if he didn't think this optimizes his chance at a result. Pogba probably has not been feeling or training well this week...
 
Thought Pogba will start this one, but the fact he isn’t maybe he isn’t ready or shown enough in training. If it were to be another half arsed attempt from pogz - whatever the reason - it’s probably for the best, but the pressure will be on Mou for the performance otherwise he will get hammered.
 
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With Mourinho leaving Pogba out and some claiming that he is going full retard. Is it safe to say that our next season would be a shambles?
 
Big descions on squad selection. If we win -he's a genius. If we lose - I'm certain a Jose out thread will pop up.
 
SAF dropped Rooney so many times during important games and that is not being cited as an example for some reason
 
Literally no other manager on the planet does this crap. Why drop out best players in Martial/Pogba and persist with Smalling. Why no luke shaw in the squad? It's just so damn frustrating and when we loose the inventible 1 - 0 with a Smalling red card he's going to be on the receiving end of so much stick tonight.
 
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Ram1fy said:
SAF dropped Rooney so many times during important games and that is not being cited as an example for some reason
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We weren't as vulnerable then as we are now..... plus it's SAF - he could get away with tough decisions. For whatever reason, he always managed to come out on top. Jose doesn't have the same nous.

However, for the sake of peace of mind, we better win tonight.
 
Ram1fy said:
SAF dropped Rooney so many times during important games and that is not being cited as an example for some reason
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Do cite an example when he was actually dropped. Preferably from before the time when he actively wanted him sold.
 
Siorac said:
Do cite an example when he was actually dropped. Preferably from before the time when he actively wanted him sold.
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Real Madrid. Not that im trying point out anything. Just it popped up in my head there. His wife was not happy.

Although I'm not sure if he wanted shot of him at that point.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Real Madrid. Not that im trying point out anything. Just it popped up in my head there. His wife was not happy.

Although I'm not sure if he wanted shot of him at that point.
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He did want him gone at that time. That was his final season and their relationship pretty much broke down by then.
 
I'm not that bothered about the Pogba decision I get why Jose is doing it, picking Smalling, Young over Shaw and not picking Martial again I don't agree with.
 
SuperiorXI said:
I think it's likely to backfire, and who is going to defend him then??? I don't think anyone here will.
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I like Mourinho but even if it works out, this XI is not a product of that foresight but stubbornness. Understand the need to lay down the law, but benching Pogba and Martial in such a big game in preference of work-horses is really quite drastic.
 
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