He shouldn’t be saying this shit in public. Keep it in the dressing room.
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He shouldn’t be saying this shit in public. Keep it in the dressing room.
Where can we see it?
We created chances and should have killed the game, that’s not on him. But subbing Mkhitaryan on in an important game I don’t understand. There’s no future for him, that sub could have been saved.
He's spot on. He was hired to lead a team of professional footballers, not to oversee a fecking kindergarten.
Yup, Martial, Rashford and Lingard acting like idiots in front of goal is clearly Mourinho fault.
I guest the same thing goes with sending offs as well. Beckham in 98, Zidane 2006? Both the managers fault i guess? I mean, the buck stops with manager, right? Just because it is a saying doesn't mean its true.
People blaming Jose for that result as just as immature as our attackers in front of goal. The result was a result of our attackers wetting their beds in front of goals. No one else.
Subs killed us, totally wrong.
Mou shouldn't get blamed for the attackers missing chances. He should get blamed for the team always struggling to close games out. It's been a recurring problem this season. He has to figure this out. Get the players to work on possession, make better subs, or try and change the attitude of the team. He needs to fix that part of the team.
I tend to agree. Jose needs to accept that taking off our two best performing players on the night - Mata and Lingard was a mistake and invited pressure onto us from 10 men.
The harsh player criticism from him will not be constructive if the reason for the bad finishing was a lack of confidence. In fact it may be counter productive.
Rip them apart, fine them, whatever you need to do but keep it indoors man. We can all see that the lads were off ourselves. This man is going to lose the dressing room in his second season yet again.
It's like man never learns at all.
Didn't like those comments. I don't know why he feels the need to take a "them" approach with his team always. He is as responsible as anyone for whatever that happens. We did make mistakes yesterday and I'm happy with the performance in general, but I hope his constant criticism affects them positiively rather than negatively.
So much for the siege mentality. There is no accountability in this club, whatsoever.
Hope is all we got because I don't see this ending well
Having said that I'm happy with our peformance aging Leicester. We were very fluent and dominant in our play. Jose should encourage that even if we missed chances. Even City miss chances I'm sure.
Fair enough assessment really. I dont know how he can address the issue but I get the feeling he will gut the squad heavily in the summer.
When a 2nd year Mourinho team is struggling to finish off games (at both ends), then you know that he's failing at his job, and miserably at that.
But this must be only because the board doesn't back him enough
But this must be only because the board doesn't back him enough
He needs to think about upcoming games as well. Lingard and Mata are first choice and will be playing a lot. Herrera, Rashford and Mkhi should have been enough especially against 10 men.
I think a lot of blame should go to Jose himself. He is an expert in shifting the blame, blaming others, being bitter. But if we look at our attack, whether it's Rashford, Martial or even Lukaku, Pogba, Micki pretty much all of them are extremely low on confidence. Mata had a good game, but overall he looked lost much of this season's. Whatever version of siege mentality Jose tries to stir up it does not work and backfires.
Ander Herrera actually was quite useful in attack, right now i don't think he will score with open goal. Is that his fault? I think not. That's just one telling example, but the fact is, that our goals are more or less "sporadic", we don't have a proper attacking structure. Proper att. patterns, moves. It's like Jose coaches defense and then in attack he says, well just think of something yourselves.
Were did not really deserved wins against WBA and Bournemouth, we were just lucky and that is against bottom sides. Yet Jose did not see any deficits because we could hang on.
I think Jose is doing a fine job right know and ultimately we have progressed as a team since his appointment. But that current state is our ceiling if Jose would not actually grow up himself and try to actually evolve instead of blaming everyone around.
Ander Herrera actually was quite useful in attack, right now i don't think he will score with open goal. Is that his fault? I think not. That's just one telling example, but the fact is, that our goals are more or less "sporadic", we don't have a proper attacking structure. Proper att. patterns, moves. It's like Jose coaches defense and then in attack he says, well just think of something yourselves.
Were did not really deserved wins against WBA and Bournemouth, we were just lucky and that is against bottom sides. Yet Jose did not see any deficits because we could hang on.
I think Jose is doing a fine job right know and ultimately we have progressed as a team since his appointment. But that current state is our ceiling if Jose would not actually grow up himself and try to actually evolve instead of blaming everyone around.
Didn't like the subs. Why use up all your subs when you're leading 2-1 against 10 men? Especially to bring on fecking Mikhi
Can't blame the missed chances on him but for a (supposedly elite defensive) team to concede 2 last minute goals in the same week ,one against 10 men and one against a second tier team is more than just bad luck.
He's coming up on his 4th transfer transfer window here ,if he is serious about being here long-term it's time to start a major overhaul, there is too much dead-weight and too many inconsistent performers.
Otherwise get a DOF and ring up Brendan Rodgers /S
Can't blame the missed chances on him but for a (supposedly elite defensive) team to concede 2 last minute goals in the same week ,one against 10 men and one against a second tier team is more than just bad luck.
He's coming up on his 4th transfer transfer window here ,if he is serious about being here long-term it's time to start a major overhaul, there is too much dead-weight and too many inconsistent performers.
Otherwise get a DOF and ring up Brendan Rodgers /S
Why on earth would Herrera refuse to play right back if that was Mourinho's instruction? He has done it plenty of times. Yet people believe that because Gary Neville said so? How would he know?
Good interview by Jose. Theres a time to defend players, but we've seen them concede 2 late goals in the space of a week -even more frustrating is that we should have put both games beyond doubt before we let it get to that but bad decisions have let us down.
There is a real lack of direction in how the team plays when leading games. What really summed it up was Rashford holding the ball rather than playing Lukaku through. I thought "ok, they're going to keep the ball and wind down the clock". Next pass, Matic tries to play Lukaku through who is offside and they turn the ball over.
I don't know if the plan of how to play is clear enough or if the players think they know better but Leicester were wide open to the counter attack and some of the ways United messed up easy chances was almost comical.
I'm glad to hear Jose's comments above about the terrible decision making. The issue is that it's been an issue for some time and he doesn't seem capable of fixing it.
This is the worrying part. Surely that means it is time for a change of manager to find a voice the players do respond to? if you was a Man United player and Jose does post-match interviews every-week blaming you, would you want to play for the gaffer!? NO.. this group of players don't respond to the "stick and beat them" approach of Mourinho and Van Gaal, they need the "arm around the shoulder keep it in-house" type of manager who always defends them in public. Much like Fergie did. Players control the club, so you have to find the manager they respond to as you can't sell them all.
Mourinho's personality isn't suited to a club like Manchester United, he's too combative. We need a more mellowed, less headline-grabbing manager ala Manuel Pellegrini for example.
Jose use to be able to befriend players, hes their ultra mate and they want to run through brick walls for him and not let him down.. (look at Matterazzi at Inter crying when he left or Lampard and Terry's warm feelings for him) but he doesn't seem to have done that with this group of players. Maybe he's become more bitter, or doesn't care.
The fact Jose is still living out of a hotel doesn't help. If my manager did that, I'd think his heart wasn't in it, especially long-term.
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Players who need constant hands around the shoulder are the exact same sort of players who crack under any sort of expectation or pressure. What happens when things aren't going their way in the middle of the game, are they going to look to their manager for a hug during the match? Feck off with that nonsense, their performance was embarrassing and thus they should be embarrassed. They're professional footballers and we're a football club, not a babysitting service. If players can't handle the expectation and demand of this sport/this club, there's many a club they can go to with managers who will be happy to kiss them goodnight and win feck all. No top manager gets to where they are by catering to the needs of the weak.
That's the difference between managers like Wenger and serial winners.
Also let's stop rewriting history, SAF was by no means the mellow type. How is Jose calling the players childish any different to when SAF called Nani even worse countless times?
Exactly why Nani flopped IMO. Fergie bullied the lad at times in my eyes.. was way too hard on him compared to other players (even Ronaldo when he first joined made mistakes for a few years but wasn't subjected to that level of criticism). I think Fergie would've treat Nani if he managed him again.
This modern type of player needs a different approach, otherwise what are you going to do!? sell them all!? that's my point.. player power rules these days.
I don't think that's right. You look at some of the most successful managers of our era and most are ruthless, Pep, Jose etc. If you begin catering to the need of talented weak mentality players, you get Arsenal, great when things are going their way and they feel like it but never a proper competitor as they just don't have the mentality.
He set us up well for that game and honestly we were making chances for fun and generally looked the superior side and up for it. His subs might be wrong I don't know but we had a lot of moments to kill that game off and yes we did sit off but we still looked a threat on counter .. so I think we can let Jose off for this one, it really was just a case of dropped points due to bad execution.
We've played way worse this season and grab the points and no one bats an eyelid and when we actually play well going forwards, lack of result means everyone rips team to shreds. I think it bodes well that we can look this energetic at the start of xmas period. We look like we can tear someone apart so here's hoping the result matches the performance next time.
We've played way worse this season and grab the points and no one bats an eyelid and when we actually play well going forwards, lack of result means everyone rips team to shreds. I think it bodes well that we can look this energetic at the start of xmas period. We look like we can tear someone apart so here's hoping the result matches the performance next time.
There were people on here saying they'd prefer to play good football and lose/draw then play shite football and win. Funny that that's exactly what happened and people were still moaning.
I'm beginning to think this is gonna end in tears. Him publicly calling out his players is not gonna help. There's nothing wrong with bollocking them in private while defending them in public.
I agree with his assessment, on how we were "childish" but is there a need to tell everyone that?
He deserves the share of the blame as well, by not taking charge and getting Smalling away from playing in a crucial position while the latter was injured and could barely run.
I agree with his assessment, on how we were "childish" but is there a need to tell everyone that?
He deserves the share of the blame as well, by not taking charge and getting Smalling away from playing in a crucial position while the latter was injured and could barely run.
No need to overreact or nitpick. It was fully deserved and they needed to be called out for it.
Don't understand the theory that the players should not ever, ever be criticized in public. They sometimes need a kick up their arse. And Jose didn't even single out anyone by name.
How many times has it been now that he's criticized his players in public? Three? Four?
Sooner or later, it's not gonna have an impact because it's become a new normal.
You think I'm overreacting? How so?
Because criticizing players without name dropping them is not going to immediately make them down tools and refuse to play. Just because Jose has fallen out with Real and Chelsea players in the past doesn't mean that our players shouldn't be called out on their faults in an acceptable manner without malice.
You are overreacting because the performance was terrible and complacent and they certainly needed to be called out on it. Plus, I would be shocked if they hadn't realized that for themselves and didn't know Jose would talk about it in his post match interview.
If he had come out and said, "Oh, they played well, just unlucky", nobody would buy it. There is an attitude problem and naivete that he just had to highlight.
I don't really put the result on him but I do think he could've been more forceful on the touchline regarding smallings injury.
Smalling was struggling for a good 10 minutes, he had plenty of time to convey instructions as to a reshuffle, smalling should've been lumped up front and nowhere near our box.
That's a shared responsibility with the players of course, particularly smalling himself. As a defender he knows how critical his restricted movement is and he should've moved himself if no one else was taking the lead
Smalling was struggling for a good 10 minutes, he had plenty of time to convey instructions as to a reshuffle, smalling should've been lumped up front and nowhere near our box.
That's a shared responsibility with the players of course, particularly smalling himself. As a defender he knows how critical his restricted movement is and he should've moved himself if no one else was taking the lead
This isn't Fifa18, the players have to make their own choices at times on the field. How can anyone blame the manager for a game that we missed chances, and the type that professional footballs should take with their eyes closed.
We have too many mentally fragile players. Smalling and Jones will lose concentration and make mistakes. Pogba can be immature in his play as can Martial. Rashford reminds me at times why he wasn't ready for first team football and although he's clearly a talent, when he thinks about what he needs to do, doesn't have the football intelligence to do it. Rom might have his critics but mentally he's a lot stronger than most. It's the biggest irony but we actually missed the most criticised player in the club but equally mentally the strongest both midweek and yesterday....Felliani
We have too many mentally fragile players. Smalling and Jones will lose concentration and make mistakes. Pogba can be immature in his play as can Martial. Rashford reminds me at times why he wasn't ready for first team football and although he's clearly a talent, when he thinks about what he needs to do, doesn't have the football intelligence to do it. Rom might have his critics but mentally he's a lot stronger than most. It's the biggest irony but we actually missed the most criticised player in the club but equally mentally the strongest both midweek and yesterday....Felliani
Think he’s doing a superb job, given the state of the club when he took over. It was a decent performance away to a much improved Leicester team. Maybe his subs weren’t the best but we have the best possible manager. Cut all this negative Jose stuff out it’s ridiculous.
There have been other games this season where I think Mourinho deserves criticism for his tactics but not last night. The setup allowed the players the chance to win that game by 3-4 goals but they just pissed it away.
As for the press conference, Mourinho didn't say anything that the players didn't already know. They knew perfectly well that they fecked up and if they can't take their manager saying something like that about them in public then what the hell are we paying them for? They are grown men and actually have some responsibility believe it or not, they rightfully deserved a kick up the butt after that display and whether that comes in private, in public or both doesn't matter one bit imo.
If you lose faith or trust in your manager because he says what Mourinho said yesterday then perhaps you should find some sunday league team that doesn't have a manager to play for.
As for the press conference, Mourinho didn't say anything that the players didn't already know. They knew perfectly well that they fecked up and if they can't take their manager saying something like that about them in public then what the hell are we paying them for? They are grown men and actually have some responsibility believe it or not, they rightfully deserved a kick up the butt after that display and whether that comes in private, in public or both doesn't matter one bit imo.
If you lose faith or trust in your manager because he says what Mourinho said yesterday then perhaps you should find some sunday league team that doesn't have a manager to play for.
It’s, you know, kind of your job to fix this issue José?
No it's not. A manager can't fix complacent finishing and outright idiocy. There were decisions the players were making that I knew was wrong, I'm not even a professional footballer. You don't need to be to know when a player passes you the ball and makes a run into space you give the ball back, not dawdle on the ball and pass backwards.
There is billions of possible scenarios for attacking situations, you can't coach them all, Pep himself has said it's his job to get the players into positions to score, it's then all on them. The same Pep who most on here hail as an attacking genius. If a professional footballer doesn't understand the basics of the sport we're more fecked than we thought we were.
These guys aren't sunday league players, no game is ever going to play out exactly as planned, if they result to that nonsense everytime they have to do any sort of thinking for themselves then we're truly fecked.
The thing is while I don't blame him for the poor finishing yesterday, he plays a big part in our low confidence. I already said back at the Pool game that he killed our momentum with his negative approach. He doesn't trust the team to play good football against any decent team and will rather move to some destructive approach. He doesn't trust the attacking players to win us a game and will make the pragmatic sub all the time. Yesterday was different but in the games before he expected our players to finish everything from 2,3 chances and he will be tough on them if they miss a chance. How can u not be frustrated as an attacking player? Especially the city game where we were outclassed and Jose didn't even try to give them a game at OT was for sure a result which knocked our players' confidence down and Jose is responsible for that.
Jose usually has a fallout at his club and for me it's kind of easy to see why now. It will happen here too. Mourinho's "robotic" game approach paired with his difficult character is just a receipe for disaster in the long term. Mourinho puts our defenders under massive pressure way too many times, but still expects them to not make any mistakes. You can't have 25 percent possession, invite the team to your penalty area the whole game and then get away with it. In the end defenders need to hoof it and are under consistent pressure to not feck it up because it will kill our game plan and chances to get sth out of the game. It's the same with our attacking players, in this sense our approach reminds me of LvG. The players are expected to score enough to win us the game out of 3,4 chances. Again no mistakes allowed, but mistakes are human. Every team makes mistakes, but out of the Top6 we are the only team which isn't allowed to do any and Jose loves to throw players under the bus because of it. In reality we should defend active further up the pitch and should play better and create more to not bring us in those pressure situations. It' just a unhealthy approach in general and it will piss the players off at some point. It has a reason why most elite teams play attacking football. Posession isn't everything, but Pep is right about the fact that the opposition can't do anything if they don't have the ball. And if you are creating a lot of chances, you will score goals and if you are scoring goals, you will win games. It's as easy as that and our aporoach gives us a disadvantage from the beginning. It's frustrate us as fans, so of course it has a negative effect on the players too.
I also have the feeling he lost his special aura, the kind of stuff that made him unbeatable, the thing Fergie had and Jose had it a few years ago too. Teams don't fear him anymore. He also lost the ability to influence the game and change it around. These days his subs hurt us more than they help us. Remember the game where Nani was sent off. He instantly brought Modric on and he was a huge reason why they killed the game off after that. He was away at OT, but reacted right after the red card and wanted to go for it. Some years later his Chelsea side goes out to a not less pragmatic Simeone at home, because he was the one who decided to go for it, or against a 10-man PSG because Jose doesn't want to take any risks anymore. These days he will make a pragmatic sub and it will bite him in his ass. He seems to not only lost trust in his players but also in his own ability.
And again I am not really calling for his head nor do I think this season is piss poor. If we finish 2nd, go for the FA cup and make the CL QFs, it will be a good season. But the problem is this might be peak United under Jose and I doubt people would be happy with that. From all we know things could go to shit next year and when I watch our team play and how we are managed I think it will. We won't get away with it for another year without seeing cracks, we won't make a step to the elite teams all of a sudden when our general play is so poor. We hired Jose despite his flaws because we wanted the fastest route to elite level, he was expected to do what Conte did last year and what Pep is doing this year and then he can move on. I never expected him to build us up within 4,5 years. He never did that in his whole career. So without the short-term glory is Jose really worth the whole drama, shitty football and the huge salary which we pay him? I am happy that we are improving, but seriously that isn't that surprising after Moyes and LvG, isn't it? We all agreed that those 2 did a bad job, that we were way worse than we should be and that a competent manager will improve us without a doubt. It's not a miracle that we are better now, it's not a huge achievement that teams like Pool, Arse and Spurs are behind us, that's how it should be. They don't have the squad, the money or the appeal to do what we can do. They can only dream about signing someome like Pogba and still in the great picture we look a bit ordinary, play shit football and the gap between us and those mentioned teams is much smaller than our gap to City. It's difficult to say what we should do, I would wait with new contract talks till beginning next season, then you can see where we are going and if he can prove me wrong. If there is any truth about PSG rumours and if he wants to force our hand early despite his record in the past, then we should move on and thank him for the good, but not unbelievable job he has done here and build on it.
Jose usually has a fallout at his club and for me it's kind of easy to see why now. It will happen here too. Mourinho's "robotic" game approach paired with his difficult character is just a receipe for disaster in the long term. Mourinho puts our defenders under massive pressure way too many times, but still expects them to not make any mistakes. You can't have 25 percent possession, invite the team to your penalty area the whole game and then get away with it. In the end defenders need to hoof it and are under consistent pressure to not feck it up because it will kill our game plan and chances to get sth out of the game. It's the same with our attacking players, in this sense our approach reminds me of LvG. The players are expected to score enough to win us the game out of 3,4 chances. Again no mistakes allowed, but mistakes are human. Every team makes mistakes, but out of the Top6 we are the only team which isn't allowed to do any and Jose loves to throw players under the bus because of it. In reality we should defend active further up the pitch and should play better and create more to not bring us in those pressure situations. It' just a unhealthy approach in general and it will piss the players off at some point. It has a reason why most elite teams play attacking football. Posession isn't everything, but Pep is right about the fact that the opposition can't do anything if they don't have the ball. And if you are creating a lot of chances, you will score goals and if you are scoring goals, you will win games. It's as easy as that and our aporoach gives us a disadvantage from the beginning. It's frustrate us as fans, so of course it has a negative effect on the players too.
I also have the feeling he lost his special aura, the kind of stuff that made him unbeatable, the thing Fergie had and Jose had it a few years ago too. Teams don't fear him anymore. He also lost the ability to influence the game and change it around. These days his subs hurt us more than they help us. Remember the game where Nani was sent off. He instantly brought Modric on and he was a huge reason why they killed the game off after that. He was away at OT, but reacted right after the red card and wanted to go for it. Some years later his Chelsea side goes out to a not less pragmatic Simeone at home, because he was the one who decided to go for it, or against a 10-man PSG because Jose doesn't want to take any risks anymore. These days he will make a pragmatic sub and it will bite him in his ass. He seems to not only lost trust in his players but also in his own ability.
And again I am not really calling for his head nor do I think this season is piss poor. If we finish 2nd, go for the FA cup and make the CL QFs, it will be a good season. But the problem is this might be peak United under Jose and I doubt people would be happy with that. From all we know things could go to shit next year and when I watch our team play and how we are managed I think it will. We won't get away with it for another year without seeing cracks, we won't make a step to the elite teams all of a sudden when our general play is so poor. We hired Jose despite his flaws because we wanted the fastest route to elite level, he was expected to do what Conte did last year and what Pep is doing this year and then he can move on. I never expected him to build us up within 4,5 years. He never did that in his whole career. So without the short-term glory is Jose really worth the whole drama, shitty football and the huge salary which we pay him? I am happy that we are improving, but seriously that isn't that surprising after Moyes and LvG, isn't it? We all agreed that those 2 did a bad job, that we were way worse than we should be and that a competent manager will improve us without a doubt. It's not a miracle that we are better now, it's not a huge achievement that teams like Pool, Arse and Spurs are behind us, that's how it should be. They don't have the squad, the money or the appeal to do what we can do. They can only dream about signing someome like Pogba and still in the great picture we look a bit ordinary, play shit football and the gap between us and those mentioned teams is much smaller than our gap to City. It's difficult to say what we should do, I would wait with new contract talks till beginning next season, then you can see where we are going and if he can prove me wrong. If there is any truth about PSG rumours and if he wants to force our hand early despite his record in the past, then we should move on and thank him for the good, but not unbelievable job he has done here and build on it.
His very blunt and critical approch didn't work wonder last season either. We got some short term boost of effort, but we did keep on missing plenty of easy chances didn't we.
Jose seem far too negative these days sadly. It has been the case since the Real madrid years really. I don't really agree with the ruthless comments here. A manager need to be ruthless in his selection and pick a team that will work and not have a say bias like "my captain shall always play" in order to get together the best team possible. Although a positive relationship with his players will surely help. He have had it before, but not sure about it here.
Jose seem far too negative these days sadly. It has been the case since the Real madrid years really. I don't really agree with the ruthless comments here. A manager need to be ruthless in his selection and pick a team that will work and not have a say bias like "my captain shall always play" in order to get together the best team possible. Although a positive relationship with his players will surely help. He have had it before, but not sure about it here.
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