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I'm sick of reading after every bad performance and/or result "This is not Mourinho's fault this time".. can someone please tell me what results this season was Mourinho's fault please? it is like he is blameless for everything.. our approach at sitting back when winning etc is on him.

You win as a team and lose as a team, but always the buck stops with the manager.
 
It wasn't José at the end of the chances tonight but if we don't get rid of this crazy sitting deep and inviting pressure whilst in front, we really shouldn't be surprised. It is as sure as anything that we will do it every match and it has caught up with us on this occasion.
 
The team created many chances and should have won.

At the same time, the inability of the team to keep possession against 10 men is partly on Jose.

This, our inability to keep possession, and tendency to drop in intensity after getting the lead has been happening regularly, today is not down to him, but these problems are not new.
 
The moment we stop with this 'it's a hard job' bollocks will be the time we have a fair game. If it is then they need technology aid. If, however, you can't see this as a peno then you should think about retraining. Of course he did see it just didn't want to kill the game as if which is even worse perhaps.
 
Can't criticize him for those missed chances. He can't go out and score for our players.

However, our inability to keep possession is a major problem. We'll get found out in Europe mainly because of this imo.
 
What makes you think that?
He doesn't seem to have the passion and fight in him that he has had in previous years. Old Mourinho would have taken control of the Smalling injury situation and got the defence organised.
We're at the stage of the Mourinho managerial life cycle when he starts to pick fights and blame players. It's happened at his previous jobs but normally not so soon.
 
So annoyed by mourinhos obsession to do this. He's literally the best player in our team at keeping a calm head and keeping the ball when needed or picking the right pass. He never trusts him though when we start defending. Because he's small. So dumb.

They were a man down & Mata was obviously tired. Jose was looking for the killer goal and Mkhi was a good option to make that happen - after seeing Rashford brainfarting in front of goal.

Mkhi option wasn’t the reason we conceded. We gave Leicester a big hope to hang on till the very last moment. If we had scored the 3rd goal, it would have broken their resolve. You cannot blame the manager for tonight’s shit show.
 
It’s insanity that anyone could blame Jose for today. The players messed up massively, they need to be held accountable. We should have won this game by four goals with the chances they created.
 
He doesn't seem to have the passion and fight in him that he has had in previous years. Old Mourinho would have taken control of the Smalling injury situation and got the defence organised.
We're at the stage of the Mourinho managerial life cycle when he starts to pick fights and blame players. It's happened at his previous jobs but normally not so soon.

He tried to though. He told Lindelof to go in at CB and for Herrera to play RB, people have said though that Herrera refused.
 
I don’t want to blame him today we played well enough to win this comfortably. It has to be mentally tough to chase City who are so far out in front and look unstoppable.
 
I'm sick of reading after every bad performance and/or result "This is not Mourinho's fault this time".. can someone please tell me what results this season was Mourinho's fault please? it is like he is blameless for everything.. our approach at sitting back when winning etc is on him.

You win as a team and lose as a team, but always the buck stops with the manager.

It seems like for some that unless he picks Mata in goal or names 6 players in the starting line-up, he can do no more. The reality is this was going to be a tricky game and for the most part we played quite well and we did create a lot of chances once they went down to 10 men. Today, obviously, he doesn't take a lot of the blame because if we hadn't been so bloody wasteful and/or if individuals had made better decisions we would have won and a lot of the reactions on here would be redundant.

However, it is his fault that he inherited two really exciting attacking talents in Rashford and Martial and he hasn't improved them, it is his fault that he decided to bring on our 2 most out of form players and it is his fault that we have no idea of how to keep the ball and kill the game in the latter stages which means it becomes a case of just hoping we can head balls away (which is particularly fecking stupid when your best defender in the air is clearly injured). It cost us repeatedly last season, it nearly cost us last week against a dreadful West Brom side and it cost us again today.
 
However, it is his fault that he inherited two really exciting attacking talents in Rashford and Martial and he hasn't improved them, it is his fault that he decided to bring on our 2 most out of form players and it is his fault that we have no idea of how to keep the ball and kill the game in the latter stages which means it becomes a case of just hoping we can head balls away (which is particularly fecking stupid when your best defender in the air is clearly injured). It cost us repeatedly last season, it nearly cost us last week against a dreadful West Brom side and it cost us again today.

Not a fan of either of them, but they are having their most productive season atm (bar Martial's first season).
 
He tried to though. He told Lindelof to go in at CB and for Herrera to play RB, people have said though that Herrera refused.
According to the Sky commentators, it was Phil Jones trying to get the defence organised.
 
According to the Sky commentators, it was Phil Jones trying to get the defence organised.

Which would have most likely came from the manager or have been worked on? Regardless, for Herrera to outright refuse is unacceptable. Herrera's always been the sort of player to put the team first which makes it even the more odd.
 
I really hope things will work out well with Mourinho, but we know the usual trends. He always start well in clubs and hit the peak during the second season a lot of the times. Then in the third season or near the end of the second season things start to go down. I see the same thing really happening here and so I don't think mentally he will turn things around. Hopefully it don't get too ugly.
 
Jones was trying to reorganize but Herrera refused to slot in at RB if G Neville is to be believed.
 
Not a fan of either of them, but they are having their most productive season atm (bar Martial's first season).
Rashford got 8 in 18 once he came into the team under Van Gaal and looked bright, inventive and full of confidence. He has 1 more goal in 11 more games this season and his overall play is arguably worse. Martial also looks less threatening than he did under Van Gaal albeit more than he did in his first season under Mourinho where he was mostly coming on as a sub. I think it's pretty clear that they haven't developed in the last 18 months in the manner that you would expect of two such exciting prospects .
 
Why the hell he told the player at half time its an easy match to win? Then the player reacted the way he said. On the winning position then careless and thought they would finish the game easily.
 
I really hope things will work out well with Mourinho, but we know the usual trends. He always start well in clubs and hit the peak during the second season a lot of the times. Then in the third season or near the end of the second season things start to go down. I see the same thing really happening here and so I don't think mentally he will turn things around. Hopefully it don't get too ugly.

My thoughts as well. He has never been in a situation like this. Every second season at every club he was well on course to win the league at this point of the season. Now he has to show different qualities.
 
I think he's smart enough where he'll learn from & adjust for next season. I just question the return in investing more with a manager who's being asked to step outside his comfort zone. If we were all okay watching defensive football & not playing youth, i think Mourinho is hands down our best option to titles. But the expectations carried by our club certainty play a role in his decision making.

Why not pick someone who's better suited to deliver those philosophies? Rather than gamble & sit through another season of Mourinho guessing and trying to figure out how to deliver success within the framework of the club's philosophy & expectations.
 
100% Jose's fault regarding the Smalling situation. If the dumb players can't reorganise then the manager had plenty of time to get a message on to reorganise them. Yes he can look at the wasteful attacking players for mucking up all them chances, but he has to look at himself too.
 
My thoughts as well. He has never been in a situation like this. Every second season at every club he was well on course to win the league at this point of the season. Now he has to show different qualities.

Yeah and we have started and played well this season. The problem have been Man City and that defeat got to hurt Mourinho and the players as much as it does us fans. Them getting that win basically won them the title if we are honest. There is a clear frustration and unhappiness in our squad at the moment and it certainly don't help us. We fight, but confidence is gone and we just miss chances and do stupid things as a result right now. We should have scored 5-6 goals today yet in the end we miss the chances and gets punished. Early in the season we won these games 4-0.
 
I'm sick of reading after every bad performance and/or result "This is not Mourinho's fault this time".. can someone please tell me what results this season was Mourinho's fault please? it is like he is blameless for everything.. our approach at sitting back when winning etc is on him.

You win as a team and lose as a team, but always the buck stops with the manager.


If Jose’s tactics get the players to map out chance after chance then his job is done. It’s down to the players themselves to finish chances.

We ain’t even talking about half chances here, we are talking about chances any of us here would have buried with their eyes closed.

The manager didn’t park the bus....it was a lively game from start to finish with United controlling the game until players started taking the game for granted. Players should take responsibility for once.
 
Why the hell he told the player at half time its an easy match to win? Then the player reacted the way he said. On the winning position then careless and thought they would finish the game easily.

I'm not sure he meant it that way. We normally do well against Leicester, & I think the way they play suits us, & that was what he was referring to. Either way it doesn't excuse our players poor finishing.
 
Martial, Lingard and Rashford all missed absolute sitters. Every single one of those chances should have been a goal. Mhiki also blew a great chance.

The managers’ tactics got us to a position where we should have scored at least 6 goals today. What the hell else is he supposed to do? Jose could win us the quadruple and some fans would still hate him, this bizarre hatred of the man knows no bounds amongst our fan base apparently.
 
If Jose’s tactics get the players to map out chance after chance then his job is done. It’s down to the players themselves to finish chances.

We ain’t even talking about half chances here, we are talking about chances any of us here would have buried with their eyes closed.

The manager didn’t park the bus....it was a lively game from start to finish with United controlling the game until players started taking the game for granted. Players should take responsibility for once.

It is also about looking at the bigger picture. We should have won this game no doubt, but at this moment confidence and a good feeling in the squad is not to be found. It is up to the manager to turn these things around and lead the way hopefully. It is a big reason why we missed chances. Negative and positive momentum and confidence effect all teams though.
 
Who else would he have played instead? Why do people like blaming the wrong person? If Martial, Lingard and Rashford can’t finish those chances at this level then we should all give up.

Jose went with the right tactics. There was no time today we played defensive. Rojo/Darmian were on the bench, if Jose really wanted to be negative, he could have sent either of them on to shore the game up.

The players need to take responsibility particularly Rashford. This was on him. He knew Smalling was injured and one man advantage was gone. He could have kept the ball in the corner flag, waste time, faff around, etc but he kept giving the ball away.

I meant to say he should have setup a different team. He has had what 4 transfer windows to sort this out now. He has spent a big chunk of money already. The individuals are alright but there is no team cohesion.
 
You can't blame him tonight. The finishing at 2-1 was just utterly embarrassing. I've been critical of Jose but I've realized that he inherited a team of utter bottlers.
 
Same people blaming him today would not have said a word if Lingard and Martial bury their piss easy chances.
 
Same people blaming him today would not have said a word if Lingard and Martial bury their piss easy chances.

Don’t forget if Rashford had a brain nobody would be blaming him too. But you are his mother or something.
 
He tried to though. He told Lindelof to go in at CB and for Herrera to play RB, people have said though that Herrera refused.

Well then, Herrera should get fined and sent to the fecking stands if their is an iota of truth to that.
 
He lost it with the subs.

Taking Lingard off for Herrera was a terrible decision, we were creating chances against a poor Leicester side down to 10 men.....he tried parking the bus against 10 men in a game we should be playing in their half not allowing them out.

Martial played well down the left both in attack and defence....subbed off.

Mata 2 goals and the best he’s played in ages...subbed again.

The players didn’t know what to do with Smalling, Jones had the right idea pushing Herrera to RB and moving Lindelof to CB....why didn’t Jose get instructions on the pitch? it was fecking amateur hour I’ve not seen anything like it.


He can’t take the blame for our players missing chance after chance but he fecked the result up with his late game decisions without a doubt.
 
Don’t forget if Rashford had a brain nobody would be blaming him too. But you are his mother or something.

What are you even talking about? You dont like Rashford ok, don't quote me about it.
 
What are you even talking about? You dont like Rashford ok, don't quote me about it.

Yes I didn’t like his last few performances whilst you have been non stop defensive about him. So is he related to you?
 
I’d understand the criticism more if we’d played like we did against West Brom or City, where the whole “unadventurous tumescent tactics” shtick could be pointed to as a failing trend, but we ultimately didn’t play like that. If anything this was a very un-Mourinho like performance that we drew due to lazy finishing and individual errors.

I can’t really see how those who’ve professed their preference for a less consistent but more entertaining style in the vein of Arse or Liverpool, could complain much today. This was a pretty textbook imitation of those sides in a fixture like this in many respects. Down to the profligacy, naive decision making and everything.
 
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Well then, Herrera should get fined and sent to the fecking stands if their is an iota of truth to that.

I agree. It was discussed by the Sky pundits as well apparently, Neville specifically. Very uncharacteristic for someone like Herrera who always seemingly puts the team first.
 
Martial, Lingard and Rashford all missed absolute sitters. Every single one of those chances should have been a goal. Mhiki also blew a great chance.

The managers’ tactics got us to a position where we should have scored at least 6 goals today. What the hell else is he supposed to do? Jose could win us the quadruple and some fans would still hate him, this bizarre hatred of the man knows no bounds amongst our fan base apparently.

Exactly.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

The problem gets ten times more complicated when instead of horses you have deadbeat donkeys upfront.
 
Anyone seen his post match interview for the written press? Pretty scathing.
 
I agree. It was discussed by the Sky pundits as well apparently, Neville specifically. Very uncharacteristic for someone like Herrera who always seemingly puts the team first.

Perhaps Mourinho gave him a specific job in midfield and he didn't want to move out of there for a reason.
 
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