Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

Your stance

  • Top manager in charge of a major rebuild. Needs more time and/or money.

    Votes: 684 43.8%

  • Made improvements but we've stagnated. Sack him if we drop out of top 4

    Votes: 377 24.1%

  • He's not the right fit. Sack him and get someone else who can get more out of our squad

    Votes: 502 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,563
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The problem Jose is going to have is that it’s fairly likely we end the season without a trophy... and he won’t have ‘entertaining football’ to fall back on because unfortunately, we don’t play it. It’s conservative... efficient.

I was at the derby as well as the match on Wednesday and I already hear murmurings of discontent. Ok, you would expect that after a loss but I mean fans making comments like “not a United manager” which is a bit different. In my experience, match going fans have normally been the last to turn on the manager, but it would not surprise me if it happened before the season ends.
 
RooneyLegend said:
What people have to realise is that if he does the same job here that he did at Chelsea the second time around, we wont get a sniff at the title any time soon and there is nothing I've seen that makes me think he's going to do better.
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Yeah sadly this is true and sadly I think he is doing a similar type of job. He has not sold off the big talents like he did with Chelsea so long term he might not be as destructive for short term sucess although I don't see him being a big sucess short term either. I think we seriously have seen the best from Jose here.
 
Kapardin said:
So that means he had success with Chelsea and Real, and when he left, his immediate successors did better than him, meaning he left the teams in a fairly good state right? So there is no problem.

Unlike Moyes and LvG who won practically nothing major (bar an FA Cup) and left a poor squad for their successor.
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This is double standard. If the successors do poor you say it is due to them not being as good as the previous manager. If they do well you claim it is due to the guy before doing a good job. He didn't leave Real or Chelsea in a good state at all. They still had some good players of course, but with lots of work to do.
 
Sunny Jim said:
People who dont want Jose here should have a serious look at the squad he has.

Most our players wouldnt get into City or Chelsea team and only few would feature for Arsenal, Spurs or Pool.
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But he had 3 transfer windows to clear them out mate, yet he kept most of them bar a few players which he sold whilst publicly praising players the likes of Fellaini whom he somehow made into an integral part of this squad.

Our squad isn't at all that bad as some say, our squad is probably better than the likes of Liverpool , Arsenal, Spurs and possibly even Chelsea.
 
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ZupZup said:
The problem Jose is going to have is that it’s fairly likely we end the season without a trophy... and he won’t have ‘entertaining football’ to fall back on because unfortunately, we don’t play it. It’s conservative... efficient.

I was at the derby as well as the match on Wednesday and I already hear murmurings of discontent. Ok, you would expect that after a loss but I mean fans making comments like “not a United manager” which is a bit different. In my experience, match going fans have normally been the last to turn on the manager, but it would not surprise me if it happened before the season ends.
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I know match going reds who arent going till he leaves.
 
ZupZup said:
The problem Jose is going to have is that it’s fairly likely we end the season without a trophy... and he won’t have ‘entertaining football’ to fall back on because unfortunately, we don’t play it. It’s conservative... efficient.

I was at the derby as well as the match on Wednesday and I already hear murmurings of discontent. Ok, you would expect that after a loss but I mean fans making comments like “not a United manager” which is a bit different. In my experience, match going fans have normally been the last to turn on the manager, but it would not surprise me if it happened before the season ends.
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Were there any "attack, attack, attack" chants when we parked the bus?
 
royboy16 said:
Surely the fact he won 2 trophies last season should give him a pass IF we don't win a trophy this season ?
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exactly,but they want him sacked and when the so called *modern* coach arrives and we still win jack shit,we move on the next *super modern coach and continue..
people really think any half baked coach can walk in and do miracles..if the pressure doesn't kill him,the constant expectations will surely do
 
iamherenow said:
exactly,but they want him sacked and when the so called *modern* coach arrives and we still win jack shit,we move on the next *super modern coach and continue..
people really think any half baked coach can walk in and do miracles..if the pressure doesn't kill him,the constant expectations will surely do
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Someone who cannot handle "constant expectation" surely should not manage at the likes of Manchester United or Real Madrid or any club of similar stature.
 
I didn't want Jose in the first place but he has been a success here so far considering where we were when he took over.
We won 2 cups last year. This year we are fairly solid and should make top 4. We are not great to watch but that is down to the fact that our attacking players are young, inconsistent or just terrible. If we give Jose a few years even if we don't win much we will still be better for it.
 
In calendar 2005, Jose won 101 pts in 38 games with Chelsea. Incredible. Season 05/06 they were on course to 100+ pts but something happened in the second half of the season and they became a normal top team finishing on "just" 91 pts. The next season, 06/07, they weren't a juggernaut anymore and Fergie won the title. It was more of the same at the start of next season and Jose left Chelsea already in September.
 
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Paul_Scholes18 said:
This is double standard. If the successors do poor you say it is due to them not being as good as the previous manager. If they do well you claim it is due to the guy before doing a good job. He didn't leave Real or Chelsea in a good state at all. They still had some good players of course, but with lots of work to do.
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It doesn't require much to say that Moyes and LvG were poor and incompetent. And unlike Jose who won titles with Real and Chelsea, they were obviously not as successful either.

Now if we were in Chelsea's situation, having that squad with Hazard and co who finished 10th, and a manager like Jose came in and again finished 5-6th with them, then that's the incompetence of the successor. But our squad was assembled by two mediocre managers. No double standards here.
 
Kapardin said:
We are only in the middle of his second season, mate. Wait till the end of 2018 before assuming Jose will or won't win anything.He needs that time.
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That is what I fully agree with mate. He does need the time, however, I do not think he is doing great. As I said earlier, if he wins a major trophy at the end of his third season, well done. If not, move on and look for someone else.
 
eat_grass said:
There's a huge misunderstanding about what transpired that season. I'll try to clear up some of the confusion. This is how events transpired:

1. Mourinho drove Chelsea to the title in 2014, clinching the league with three games to spare (a 13 (!!) point lead over second-place Man City after 35 games).

2. Mourinho, just like Antonio Conte this past off-season, recognized his team needed reinforcements -- new players to add to his squad. The board said "no." Mourinho then spent the entire pre-season telling the press and his players they would need to be even better individually than the previous year in order to be successful.

“It’s a big challenge. To be better with the same people, the players have to be better individually than they were last year. So when they think: ‘Oh last season I did great,’ this season it is not enough,” he added.

“John Terry – great season. This season it is not enough. Must be better. Fàbregas – I don’t know how many assists last year. Fantastic. It’s not enough. Because the others are going to improve with the players they are bringing and we have to improve by ourselves with our work.”

3. Mourinho allowed his players to monitor their own fitness levels during the off-season (so as not to drive them too hard and burn them out). The players failed miserably, coming in out of shape. And the poor results followed. The players knew it and said as much during post-match press interviews, including after Mourinho's sacking:

“I sent [Mourinho] the [text] message to say I was sorry he had gone and … well … just that I was sorry,” says [Hazard]. “We’d enjoyed all that success together last season, but this time round we hadn’t. I felt a little bit guilty because I’d been player of the year. I’d been one of the most decisive players, and this year I’d performed less well."

Note: Hazard had a 25-game scoreless streak to start that season.

4. Eva Carneiro. Wow. That situation spiraled out of control with a fury, and pushed some of the players over the edge (namely, Hazard).

5. Lost to newly-promoted Leicester City (before anyone believed they would win the league). Sacked.

Something to note: Mourinho never lost the fans in spite of it all. WAGNH had a poll after the Leicester City game, with thousands of responses: sack Mourinho, or keep him? 84% said "Keep." One point clear of the relegation zone, and 84% of the fans still backed him because they knew the fault lied with the players.

"Even when we have lost matches at home the supporters have chanted his name, there has been very little dissent about him going [wanting him to go]. I would have thought there would be frustration with some of the players." - The Chelsea Supporters Trust

Hopefully that clears up some confusion.
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Thanks mate. Appreciated
 
Did he feel sorry for Leicester or something? Subbing off Lingard and Mata, who were both having good games, for Herrera and Mkhi who are both in horrid form. One of whom (Mkhi) is like having no one on the pitch at all.

This results on him again.
 
Yagami said:
Did he feel sorry for Leicester or something? Subbing off Lingard and Mata, who were both having good games, for Herrera and Mkhi who are both in horrid form. One of whom (Mkhi) is like having no one on the pitch at all.

This results on him again.
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Are you crazy? He cannot go on the pitch and score the chances rashbeck, lingard and martial missed, nor can he show the team how to manage games. It was a mindfeck from the players. Really stupid thing to say.
 
This is one of the few games where I feel he was actually the one let down by his players today. This game should've been killed off by the 70th minute.
 
Yagami said:
Did he feel sorry for Leicester or something? Subbing off Lingard and Mata, who were both having good games, for Herrera and Mkhi who are both in horrid form. One of whom (Mkhi) is like having no one on the pitch at all.

This results on him again.
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WTF :wenger:
 
Maradona10 said:
Are you crazy? He cannot go on the pitch and score the chances rashbeck, lingard and martial missed, nor can he show the team how to manage games. It was a mindfeck from the players. Really stupid thing to say.
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We had a man advantage and he made a defensive substitution. Then he brought on a player who we all know will only give the ball away which is incredibly dangerous against Leicester and it came back to bite him. We should have been, like, 4 more goals up, but he brought on unnecessary pressure with the subs. I take it back that it's all on him (heat of the moment, sorry) but he's partly to blame.
 
He did nothing wrong today. Missing simple chances and conceding two last minute goals is on the players.
 
2-1 up and creating chances....Leicester down to 10 and we try and close up shop with Herrera coming on....fecking unbelievable.

The Mata sub :lol:

Why didn’t he get Smalling off the pitch? Pathetic that.

10 players pegged back in our own half trying to hold onto a lead...against 10 men.
 
Can't fault him
today, some brainless decision-making and finishing by the players cost us.
 
Can’t wait to hear what he has to say about this one. All down to the players that can’t make simple decisions on what to do with the ball.

If you thought the media stories were ridiculous already, it hasn’t even started.
 
This tonight was unlucky, even tho I give Mourinho lot of stick, he didn't do much wrong tonight. Some very bad finishing + Smalling not being able to jump on that last cross due to the injury is what happened.

Only problems I had with him tonight was not starting Shaw on the left to play against Mahrez and him subbing off Mata and Lingard, both of whom had a good game.

Also we didn't seem to have parked the bus in the last 30 minutes of the game, that partially being due to Leicester giving us so much space to counter.
 
Sunny Jim said:
People who dont want Jose here should have a serious look at the squad he has.

Most our players wouldnt get into City or Chelsea team and only few would feature for Arsenal, Spurs or Pool.
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That is exactly why I am having doubts. He's had 2 seasons to fix this. These are his bloody players.
 
Yagami said:
Did he feel sorry for Leicester or something? Subbing off Lingard and Mata, who were both having good games, for Herrera and Mkhi who are both in horrid form. One of whom (Mkhi) is like having no one on the pitch at all.

This results on him again.
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Im convinced you didnt watch the game. Thats on our players. Rashford, Smalling and De Gea.
 
Think there's a lot of talk that needs to had with the players on the pitch but I'd love to know what happened at the end regarding Smalling.
 
I'm sure I'd be considered one of his "naysayers" but the crappy finishing from Martial, Lingard and Rashford let us down.
 
Yagami said:
We had a man advantage and he made a defensive substitution. Then he brought on a player who we all know will only give the ball away which is incredibly dangerous against Leicester and it came back to bite him. We should have been, like, 4 more goals up, but he brought on unnecessary pressure with the subs. I take it back that it's all on him (heat of the moment, sorry) but he's partly to blame.
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He brought Herrera on as we were getting ran through the middle of the pitch, it allowed Pogba to try and get more forward. They were also getting a foothold on the game, which considering they're at home and we are only up by one goal is risky. Rashford came on as they were knackered and he's great at attacking spaces behind defenders with his pace.
 
After tonight`s game, who ever says anything remotely negative about supreme leader should be banned on the spot.
 
Can't really fault him today, poor finishing on our end and awful tracking back for their first goal cost us. Although subbing on Rashford wasn't a great decision in hindsight.
 
shamans said:
That is exactly why I am having doubts. He's had 2 seasons to fix this. These are his bloody players.
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Are they? You could argue the players he's signed are the best in their positions in the squad. Pogba and Matic are our best CM's, Lukaku our best striker, Bailly and Lindelof are quick looking our far and away best defenders. Only one that hasn't worked out is Mkhi. The majority of this squad still isn't his and as was shown against Bristol, some just simply aren't good enough.
 
I don't blame him for today's bottlejob, it was our attackers who cost us the game. But it's starting to quietly piss me off that when defending the lead we are sitting so deep just letting the opponent players to run through the centre.
 
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