The next manager should be able to play a more attacking style imo. After Moyes, LvG, and Jose, I don't think the fan base would tolerate another defense minded manager.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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The next manager should be able to play a more attacking style imo. After Moyes, LvG, and Jose, I don't think the fan base would tolerate another defense minded manager.
What is the attraction with this guy. He is if anything more controversial than Mourinho & plays tepid boring football. People say he is great & organised, with players all for him. Yet despite that, & the problems we had offensively last season, Man Utd scored ten more league goals than Atletico in the leagues last year, from same amount of games.
Yeah I posted admitting I hadn’t watched his football much, but they seem pretty much similar too us when I have watched him. Yet Simeone seems to be portrayed as more fashionable than José.
If we get Simeone next, he has to win the league within 2 months or I'm calling for his head.
Feck right off. More of the same football is the last thing we need.
If we lose tomorrow and it's another horror show of a performance I think he will get sacked.
Would leave us 6pts behind Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs after just 3 games. City would be just 4 ahead but that's a race we know we aren't winning this year anyway. The first 3 are the real threats to us.
Would leave us 6pts behind Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs after just 3 games. City would be just 4 ahead but that's a race we know we aren't winning this year anyway. The first 3 are the real threats to us.
Simeone is a god at Atletico, the players can't touch him. I'm quite certain he would do well for 1-2 seasons then the players would be tired of him shoving a rocket up their arse and down tools.
The way we are set up, we can't have a tough manager because player power is huge at the club.
Not a chance.
He won't get sacked yet, but you're deluded if you think his job is completely safe if we have another Brightonesque performance tomorrow.
Which was my point.
His job is completely safe right now. You're deluded if you think there's a chance he leaves this year unless it's of his own accord.
The green smiley seems to suggest you think it's an utterly ludicrous suggestion beyond the realms of possibility, which it's not. That's how bad the Brighton game was. And if there's zero response from the team tomorrow and another performance as flat as a pancake you can bet your ass the higher ups at the club will begin considering their options, if they haven't already.
To get the sack after the THIRD round is an utterly ludicrous suggestion that is beyond the realms of possibility, yes. That was all.
Right, because as we all know whenever Mourinho leaves a club it's of his own accord.
What difference does that make to the fact the Utd aren't going to sack him early in a season?
Just because you don't want him to get sacked doesn't mean it can't happen.
So you expected him to smash the Premier League record and get 101 points in his second season in order to achieve the final position you deem "good enough"? Do you think that's a reasonable expectation?
I appreciate your passion and emotion as a supporter but it's also the part of your rationale I have a problem with, that being that passion and emotion by definition run contrary to rational thinking. Taking away my emotion, my enjoyment/anger/etc, I think the following:
Dynasties, legacies, traditions or whatever you call them are built on success, not prettiness. You support Manchester United and not Salford City because of their success, and you wouldn't have heard of them as a kid if they had not had the success that Manchester United had over the decades before. Chelsea fans remember their scrappy, flukey 1-1 Champions League final win over Bayern in 2012 far more fondly than they do their 5-0 league win vs Newcastle in 2003, I'm sure you remember our poor 2-1 Champions League final performance vs Bayern Munich in 1999 far more fondly than the 4-0 against Charlton in 2005, and Buttflog FC would not create "tradition" by finishing mid-table in National League North because they either won or lost every game 5-0 during a season.
Above all Manchester United are a side that wins. We have not won the league title for half a decade and counting, we need to put something on the board before we start thinking about style again, or you can forget about us even having a tradition that matters anymore. For all the hipster offerings of Pochettino, Jardim et al. there is currently no better winner on the market than Mourinho.
Bang on, as they say.
That was the reason why Mourinho was hired in the first place and the goalposts have not shifted. He has yet to challenge for the title. Note, not win the title. Challenge for the title. Even after all the money spent he has yet to mount a title challenge past December.
No idea why you have belief that he will get United to eventually win when he can't even fix something as simple as basic movement for our attack. As if 2nd place means anything on the wages and money spent, when Spurs achieved 2nd with 86 points having spent fewer than United. 2nd means nothing if there isn't clear on the pitch progress. When I see stats that show we concede the most chances out of the top 6, created the fewest chances in the top 6, etc... all I'm reminded of is that we really have a true world class goalkeeper and some really expensive players capable of some magic.
Wouldn't put money on it, but I don't think it's as ridiculous as some are trying to say.
Top 4 would already be an uphill battle. With the horrible negativety around the club, Woodward may consider an early change to lift the team. Tbh things only look like getting worse under Mourinho this season
I want to believe in Jose and I obviously want him to have success at our club because that also means success for us but I have serious doubts about him remaining manager of Manchester United. Rui Faria leaving I think was a big blow, he has been by Jose's side through most of his career and though many choose to see him leaving as potentially a positive change I just don't think that direction works for everyone and Jose bases a lot of his methods around consistency.
Interestingly Stephen Howson of Full Time Devils is claiming he heard that him and Jose had a massive falling out though and that the public statement wasn't telling the truth behind him leaving. I doubt this however with all these reports on Zizidene Zidane and his interest in taking on the manager role at Manchester United I think shows there is obviously something credibility considering how wide these stories are being covered. One things for sure Zidane will command respect from the dressing room and will most likely get it
Interestingly Stephen Howson of Full Time Devils is claiming he heard that him and Jose had a massive falling out though and that the public statement wasn't telling the truth behind him leaving. I doubt this however with all these reports on Zizidene Zidane and his interest in taking on the manager role at Manchester United I think shows there is obviously something credibility considering how wide these stories are being covered. One things for sure Zidane will command respect from the dressing room and will most likely get it
Where we are around new year will hold the key for many. If we're anywhere close to the leader, holding our own in 2nd/3rd place and putting up a fight in the big games as we did last year then I think a lot will back him to take us into next season. If we're well off the pace, then I think many will run out of patience with him. Why continue to sacrifice style and attacking football for results at all costs, if those results don't materialise? Another season treading water might be the final straw.
A positive article about Mourinho in the sun? Well I never.
Neil Custis has been one of the few, in any paper, not to bring out the shovel to bury Mourinho.
Let's hope he's right.
The thing is, I just don’t believe Mourinho has it in him to win and to win big at Manchester United. His record in the past must be accompanied by a sense of belief in the present; and I simply don’t have that. His return at various clubs has diminished with every stint, and he looks like a busted flush these days. If this was 10 years ago, I’d say fair enough to your post, but today - i just don’t see it.
No, I don’t reasonably expect him to get triple digit points, but you can’t not win at United and not entertain. You can only play football the way he does, if the results back it up
The bottom line is that this is a make or break season for him. No one will be happier to eat their words than me, if he puts up a credible title challenge, and makes a serious challenge for the CL. I’ll even reluctantly say his methods are justified. To be clear, I WANT him to succeed, because his success is our success. I just don’t see anything to suggest that is going to happen.
Time will tell. We can only hope for the best. If it was my choice, yes I’d fire him. I think his leadership has been toxic and I see nothing to suggest impending returns. I would prefer to think long term and build around a progressive coach. Which Mourinho is not. Entertainment is absolutely a consideration for me. As Fergie said, it is the managers job to entertain the fans, because football is nothing without the fans. I can see now why he didn’t want him as Manchester United manager.
Mourinho’s ONLY riposte to the critics is to win. There are no other positives to be drawn from his tenure, no silver lining to his approach. It is glory or nothing. He has this season to deliver. If he doesn’t, or at least doesn’t come very close, I’d be amazed if he gets another. This is the dynamic he’s set up for himself, so he can hardly complain.
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This is exactly it. You tolerate his type of football because he gives you results as in title challenges. This is the condition the majority of us accepted when he was first hired or first rumored to be at United. If he doesn't give you title challenges, what are you really paying for?
Actually your post inadvertently highlights the problem rather than intentionally highlighting it. Which is that we are stuck in a viscous cycle of constantly trying to win at any cost (as if that makes winning easier) without focusing on the details that matter. We focus on big name managers and big name players with "pedigree" and talk of winners/winning/bigness of the club with little to back it up in the present. Our big name managers are seemingly on the decline. Our big name players like ADM, Schweinstieger, Sanchez and Pogba end up either not suiting the manager, past their own best or perpetually unfit. Our manager will win because he has a record of winning despite our football being disjoint and our rivals looking better coached than us.
Once Mourinho goes I hope we move on from this tired and tested routine and sign someone more progressive who can build a more cohesive team. And although it can help, it doesn't necessarily have to be a manager with pedigree. It should be one that fits us as a club and as a team, and within some proper long term vision.
Don't hold your breath expecting that from our board. We are the only 'top' club who seems to struggle both during and post managerial appointments.
Agreed. But it may come with time. Or we may stumble upon the right appointments that give us a better and more definitive direction.
This is not true. The biggest positive when Mourinho leaves is the Squad he leaves behind. With only a few changes, a good manager can challenge for the title. Now look at the squad he inherited though.
That’s a reasonable positive dependent purely on his departure.
Agree on that. He's signed good players which is the benefit of his tenure (so far). Sadly he just doesn't get enough out of them. Hopefully the next manager will because I do think it's a very good bunch of players.
That is debatable as well. Matic is getting on and we will need a back-up/understudy for him soon. There are huge question marks as to whether Bailly and Lindelof can even make it here, or if they can be better than Jones/Smalling atleast. Sanchez is yet to justify his signing. Pogba wants to leave next summer and whether a new manager can turn his head away from Barca or Real remains to be seen. Got to wait and see if Fred and Dalot step up this season.
So basically, apart from Lukaku and Matic, we could potentially be stuck with the same/similar squad. Not really sure about the improvement. One thing though, if Jose leaves after 3 seasons of CL qualification, that can be counted as a minor improvement from the previous managers.
Custis realized the "Jose hater" club among the journos is pretty crowded. So he decides to shift stance to stand out
@In Rainbows @simonhch @amolbhatia50k Problem is all your posts seem to be based on the assumption that all the results have been a disaster, to which I still come back to my previous point - 81 points, second place - a total that wins the league three seasons out the last eight, where the competition in the league is higher than ever. Then two trophies and an FA Cup final we should have won to boot. Quite simply expecting Mourinho to have done any better considering what he inherited is not logical.
With proper backing this summer who knows what we could have achieved this season, because Mourinho's strategy was clear to me... round off the neglected weak links of the squad and inject some mental steel into a side still too mentally flakey to take the next step. For example the experienced centre back signing was vetoed, but like an analyst said during the Leipzig Dortmund game today, Leipzig's central defence was poor because of both young talented defenders having to take on excess organisational responsibility rather than having an experienced leader next to them which would allow them to focus solely on their own game; no current elite European side is without a commanding experienced central defender.
Point being that you were all desperate to put the boot into Mourinho en masse before the transfer window even opened this summer, which likely had some effect on Woodward not backing Mourinho as much as he should - we all know large companies monitor internet discussion. For me however, the progress was clear and so was Mourinho's vision and prospect of success for this season.
It'll probably be too late for the Premier League, and admittedly too late for Mourinho at Manchester United in general, but give him a CL eligible RW and a CB in January and I'm 100% convinced there's few if any other sides in Europe that would beat us.
With proper backing this summer who knows what we could have achieved this season, because Mourinho's strategy was clear to me... round off the neglected weak links of the squad and inject some mental steel into a side still too mentally flakey to take the next step. For example the experienced centre back signing was vetoed, but like an analyst said during the Leipzig Dortmund game today, Leipzig's central defence was poor because of both young talented defenders having to take on excess organisational responsibility rather than having an experienced leader next to them which would allow them to focus solely on their own game; no current elite European side is without a commanding experienced central defender.
Point being that you were all desperate to put the boot into Mourinho en masse before the transfer window even opened this summer, which likely had some effect on Woodward not backing Mourinho as much as he should - we all know large companies monitor internet discussion. For me however, the progress was clear and so was Mourinho's vision and prospect of success for this season.
It'll probably be too late for the Premier League, and admittedly too late for Mourinho at Manchester United in general, but give him a CL eligible RW and a CB in January and I'm 100% convinced there's few if any other sides in Europe that would beat us.
There are several factors to consider:
1) The league was unusually weak last season with atleast 12 teams battling relegation at one point. That is part of the reason City hit 100 and we were able to hit 81 despite playing shite football. I would say in a stronger season, City would get 85-90 and United would get 70-75, the latter being along the lines of LvG's first season.
2) 81 points playing shite football with no identity, no perceivable attacking cohesion and rant on football heritage attached to it after a dismal defeat to Sevilla. Good games were few; even some of the 4-0s were examples of us playing badly yet being clinical in the late stages of the game. It is surely possible to get our attackers to understand each other better via coaching.
3) Second place -- Liverpool focused on CL and threw away some league games by resting some of their players as they were content to settle for 4th. If they didn't have such a thin squad, honestly have to admit they could have beaten us to 2nd.
The only thing Jose can take credit for is the way we managed to come back from deficits and beat the others in the Top 6. He has instilled a never give-up mentality against big teams despite a lack of identity even then (we still lack motivation against fodder as evidenced by the Brighton game) and I hope atleast that continues this season.
Exactly and by the looks of it, we will hardly be challenging for anything other than top 4 this season as well. When he was appointed he said something along the lines this being a 2, 3 year project, yet results and overall football in comparison to money spent and squad at his disposal, have been pretty underwhelming.
People brag about 81 pts 2nd place which is nice but we never really challenged for the title last season, no team did except City.
When grinning cnut realized league is far gone, he went guns blazing in CL, just making sure he finishes in top 4, Chelsea and Arsenal had awful season overall and Spurs tried to make an impact in CL, plus the infamous Wembley issue.
81 pts 2nd place does sound nice on the paper, but when you look at all the circumstances surrounding it, isn't really that impressive at all.
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