José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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Manchester United have one of the greatest modern managers in Jose. Tactically one of the most astute managers, who has managed top teams all over the world. Very few managers in the current market can stand up to his achievements (the other one being Pep).There are very few managers who could do what he has for United in the past 2 years. Dragged them from going to an irrelevant joke club under Moyes/LVG, to a team which is well respected if not feared, wins trophies, expected at the least to be a regular top 4 side and compete with the big boys. Yes his style seems very boring, having pampered by the so called "United Way" under Sir Alex; but the guy is extremely pragmatic and above all a winner. Before slagging him off, people should get an objective non-emotional perspective of what is really happening at United that has brought all this negativity and whether it truly warrants Jose criticism.

I am completely perplexed by the amount of negativity here. Almost 90% of these posts are from frustrated fans sitting at home whining constantly because of the Brighton Loss, considering it some kind of predicted culmination based on what happened in pre-season (transfers, Footballing style, US tour, Martial/Pogba incidents). Most of these posts are "Daddy I want the pink Candy" posts, emotional cries from kids with very little regard to logic or reality.


Key points that get churned over and over in these forums and blamed on Jose are:
Dressing Room Loss: Jose "harsh" towards his own players, throwing them under bus - Shaw/Martial/Pogba etc.

Truth is, most of the players slated by Mourinho are players who are just not good enough for United. These are very average players in Martial, Shaw, Smalling, Jones and Pogba, over-hyped by media and fans to be some sort of superstars. It's stupid for fans to think Mourinho is wrong here. Talent alone won't make a player world class.

Take Liverpool for example, Klopp never plays players who are tactically lazy irrespective of how talented they are. A fit Sturridge will never get a nod over Firmino under Klopp because he doesn't work hard tactically. It's the same with City. Pep benched Aguero from day one for Jesus, because he was not working harder tactically. Their message was clear - I don't care how talented you are, if you work hard you are in. Players like Sakho, Yaya, Balotelli never lasted because they just don't work hard enough. Its the same with players like Pogba or Martial, if they are to be considered world class, they can't just rely on skills. They need to work hard on their tactical discipline. Being hailed as some kind of messiah by fans and media has got into their tiny heads and they keep acting like spoiled kids, Jose is right to throw them under the bus. He is publicly slating them to break their imaginary bubble of entitled stardom with which they come to every training session and match day and hardly bother to perform. Players like Shaw, Smalling and Jones can and should offer more. If they can't, they should leave united and play for some mid table club.

United had players like Rooney, Ronaldo, Keane, Scholes Neville, Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, players who work their ass off to get the results. Your Martials and Pogbas hardly do that. The best players of United according to me are, Lingard, Rashford, Valencia, Young, Lukaku, Bailley, Felliani (yes felliani), Sanchez, Herrara, etc. simply because these players respect the manager and fight for their shirts. If the manager asks more, work hard and make it happen. As far as I can see, Mourinho would gladly replace them two (P and M) for other hardworking talents and If I was a united fan, I would say good riddance. Jose is used to the likes of Drogba, Lampard, Terry and would dote the likes of Keane, Rooney and Scholes, because these are warriors. The real winners who carry the club. Not these snowflakes. Pogba and Martial, with their current attitude and form will not make into the City/Liverpool or Spurs. Their managers would instantly drop them until they work harder. Jose is doing the right thing here.

Preseason Loss: United lost a bunch of pre-season games playing terrible football with little to no direction.

So much is made out United's preseason loss. United had least number of 1st team players due to world cup and big injury list. Their pre-season preparations were hardly ideal. You have to look at the context before moaning. Everybody knows Mourinho's tactics rely as much on physical attributes as on ball playing skills. Strong target man Players like Lukaku/Felliani/Drogba/Ibra etc.. are a vital must for Mourinho's sytem to flourish. The ball playing players pick up the pieces knocked down from the Target man to create chaos in final third. This is the tactical reality under Mourinho since ages. A reserve United team under Mourinho would never perform as well as his first team. They just don't have that right personnel to execute it. To draw conclusion from the reserve team performance and co-relate it with the main team performance is naivety at best. They are entirely two different teams (which is not the case for other tactical systems such as, Klopp/Pep's, which relies more on system and personal skills only enhance them) Pre-season loss has zero context to the actual season for Mourinho's team. Despite all that they only lost to a strong Liverpool and Bayern Munich Side. I can't understand the negativity and furor. The actual interview about team and players was a misquoted hyperbolic. Jose was angry after a loss to an important rival and ranted. Simple as that. To say that it damages young players morale is a joke. If Every time a manager yells at his players after a game will shatter a players confidence, we will have zero confident players in the world.

Poor Transfer Choices: Failed Transfers is Jose's fault due to Bailley and Lindelof being poor Jose signing, he cannot be trusted with money. Prioritising Defenders over wingers/full backs is wrong.

Attacking Talent: Rashford, Lingard, Sanchez, Martial, Lukaku
Midfield Talent: Fred, Matic, Perreira, Felliani, Herrera, Mata, improved Pogba (due to fred covering defensive duties),
Defensive Talent: Bailly (CB), Smalling (CB), Jones (CB), Lindelof (CB), Darmian, Young (Dalot), Valencia (Shaw).

Any blind person will say the United's weakest area is defensive talent. One injury to Bailly will prove disastrous as Jones/Smalling are not reliable both by quality and injury and Lindelof haSn't been great. Yes United does need, wing backs. But the need is more to improve attack than defense when it comes to Young and Valencia. If Shaw steps up and the Dalot punt works, again you have fresher legs from young and valencia.

The purchase of Fred, despite a defensive one is meant to free up Pogba (Kind of an attacking purchase).The only way, United buys a new effective winger is if they sell Martial. If you honestly asses the squad, you really need a CB, the bedrock of Mourinho tactics and may be a back up to Lukaku, the desperate Felliani signing makes sense. Other than Lewandowski, I don't see other CF in market replacing Lukaku from the first team. Sanchez is meant to play around Lukaku not to replace him. So yeah, woodward should have went and purchased a CB this market. IMO the most important need for United.

Pep brought Claudio, replaced him with Ederson agreeing he was bad. Brought Mendy, replaced him with Walker once he got injured. If you want to challenge city right away (like most arm chair glory hunting fake united fans want), you have to get Mourinho what he wants, though he made a mistake with Lindelof (Don't think Bailly was a mistake. He is a great defender, just had a bad day).

Soul Destroying Defensive Football: United don't have a set attacking plan (Hoof-ball style). Pales in comparison to City/Liverpool

The way united is playing so poorly is not Mourinho's fault. Yes he is a defense minded pragmatic coach, but the reason why united is playing so poorly right now has 80% to do with the quality of his squad than his tactics. His Chelsea(Old& new) /Inter/Real sides played defensively in big cup games or against stronger teams, but always destroyed the small teams. They were never this boring or bad in any of his previous teams. This united team just don't have the same quality. The players are not stringing 2 passes together.

Midfield: Essien,Makele, Lampard, Cambiasso, Sneijder, Zanetti, Ozil, Kaka, Hazard, Matic (prime),
Wingers: Robben, Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria,
Strikers: Drogba, Ibra (prime), Eto, Milito, Costa
Defenders: Every One (long List)

Compare these with the Current United Squad.. Not Just in talent, the desire, passion, hard work.. The Current United squad is no where near this. Taking this United team to 2nd in itself is a great achievement. United fans wishing for Tuchel/Emery/Jardim/Pochettino etc., are the same fans who are giving a team progressing under Mourinho zero chances after 2 league games. Any manager other than Pep, will not be able to pacify these fickle online keyboard United fans.

I will make the bold prediction here, United will come 2nd (or 3rd depending on Liverpool). It will not be a big gap between the top 3 teams. They will do way better than what the "Sack Mourinho Glory Hunting Impatient Arm Chair" united fans believe. If they had got him a decent CB in the summer and backed him with his targets, he would give a bigger fight than Liverpool to the City side. (This coming from an ardent Liverpool Fan).

The Guy is a winner. Stop Moaning against the manager. Be Patient, United will do good.
What a load of nonsense blaming the squad but conveniently forgeting most players have been acquired by Jose himself.
 
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"Sack Mourinho Glory Hunting Impatient Arm Chair Fans" basically sums up the entire ignorance of that post, I for one would like to say, I don't want to see the back of Mourinho because he hasn't won us the treble in each season he's been here before you call me and others glory hunters, I'm not hunting for glory, I actually want to watch the football club I love and be able to say, wow, I thoroughly enjoyed that match, win or lose, of course I want us to win everything, but it's not realistic, what is realistic is not having a moany, face like a slapped ass manager on the sidelines thinking it's acceptable to put that defensive reactive shite on the pitch against the likes of Brighton and Sevilla, teams we absolutely should be burying regardless of player personnel, of which we both head and shoulders above those teams and others, even if you took away Mourinho's signings, which he's had plenty of. What we get is a team I can barely stand to watch because it's boring, sad, and just plain depressing actually, this is football is it, this is what we all signed up to watch, what we all pay to watch, is that it. Sacrifice that entertaining football to watch Mourinho take in the trophies, I'll tell you now we sure as hell ain't winning no League this season, certainly no Champions League, is this negative? No and it's certainly not a "Head Buried in the Sand wanting to think I'm a Top Red because I don't wanna see Master Mourinho binned off" post, it's just realistic based off of actual evidence we are seeing, the club is a circus right now from top to bottom.

Mourinho deserves the utmost respect for his achievements in this game, but past achievements aren't helping us now and if you can't see it isn't working here properly then I don't know what to say anymore, the fact the board felt the need to not back him tells you all you need to know, hell do you even watch us? You genuinely think had Mourinho got a centre back that atrocious performance in midfield and attack would of changed? Not one iota. We're straight up garbage, supporters, media, pundits etc aren't saying we look absolutely clueless on the pitch just for the hell of it, it's because that's what's been happening for a long time now because it looks like we've just carried on the same from last season

I don't watch Manchester United to watch hoofball to Fellaini, it's garbage, it needs to go.
 
Soul Destroying Defensive Football: United don't have a set attacking plan (Hoof-ball style). Pales in comparison to City/Liverpool

The way united is playing so poorly is not Mourinho's fault. Yes he is a defense minded pragmatic coach, but the reason why united is playing so poorly right now has 80% to do with the quality of his squad than his tactics. His Chelsea(Old& new) /Inter/Real sides played defensively in big cup games or against stronger teams, but always destroyed the small teams. They were never this boring or bad in any of his previous teams. This united team just don't have the same quality. The players are not stringing 2 passes together.

Midfield: Essien,Makele, Lampard, Cambiasso, Sneijder, Zanetti, Ozil, Kaka, Hazard, Matic (prime),
Wingers: Robben, Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria,
Strikers: Drogba, Ibra (prime), Eto, Milito, Costa
Defenders: Every One (long List)

Compare these with the Current United Squad.. Not Just in talent, the desire, passion, hard work.. The Current United squad is no where near this. Taking this United team to 2nd in itself is a great achievement. United fans wishing for Tuchel/Emery/Jardim/Pochettino etc., are the same fans who are giving a team progressing under Mourinho zero chances after 2 league games. Any manager other than Pep, will not be able to pacify these fickle online keyboard United fans.

I will make the bold prediction here, United will come 2nd (or 3rd depending on Liverpool). It will not be a big gap between the top 3 teams. They will do way better than what the "Sack Mourinho Glory Hunting Impatient Arm Chair" united fans believe. If they had got him a decent CB in the summer and backed him with his targets, he would give a bigger fight than Liverpool to the City side. (This coming from an ardent Liverpool Fan).

The Guy is a winner. Stop Moaning against the manager. Be Patient, United will do good.

What happened in Chelseas 3rd season?

I just don't see how we can argue 'quality' of the team, when the opposition was fecking Brighton?
that side was more than good enough to hammer Brighton, the team is disjointed it's a bunch of individuals, that can't defend, control, attack. Signing new players will do sweet feckall, seeing as how the only signing we can consistently rely on is Matic. The rest? consistently frustrating.
Should we sign, Glen Murrary and that annoying cnut whose name I forgot, seeing how they were significantly more threatening than Utd's attack.

Sure, we need RB's and a RW, leader at the back too. But when the team looks so disjointed, throwing new signings is not going to solve anything.
 
He was absolutely correct to go after experienced players because we don’t have nearly enough of them. Pogba and Lukaku, two of his most expensive signings, are young. Bailly and Lindelöf are young. The only experienced players that he got who are still here are Alexis and Matic.

What does it matter that Willian is older than Martial? I find it ironic that we want young players who will need plenty of time to get things right but when they can’t, we are supposed to start bashing the manager. It’s a vicious cycle.

I'm not sure how the club expects the young players to develop without an experienced leadership group in the squad.
 
Manchester United have one of the greatest modern managers in Jose. Tactically one of the most astute managers, who has managed top teams all over the world. Very few managers in the current market can stand up to his achievements (the other one being Pep).There are very few managers who could do what he has for United in the past 2 years. Dragged them from going to an irrelevant joke club under Moyes/LVG, to a team which is well respected if not feared, wins trophies, expected at the least to be a regular top 4 side and compete with the big boys. Yes his style seems very boring, having pampered by the so called "United Way" under Sir Alex; but the guy is extremely pragmatic and above all a winner. Before slagging him off, people should get an objective non-emotional perspective of what is really happening at United that has brought all this negativity and whether it truly warrants Jose criticism.

I am completely perplexed by the amount of negativity here. Almost 90% of these posts are from frustrated fans sitting at home whining constantly because of the Brighton Loss, considering it some kind of predicted culmination based on what happened in pre-season (transfers, Footballing style, US tour, Martial/Pogba incidents). Most of these posts are "Daddy I want the pink Candy" posts, emotional cries from kids with very little regard to logic or reality.


Key points that get churned over and over in these forums and blamed on Jose are:
Dressing Room Loss: Jose "harsh" towards his own players, throwing them under bus - Shaw/Martial/Pogba etc.

Truth is, most of the players slated by Mourinho are players who are just not good enough for United. These are very average players in Martial, Shaw, Smalling, Jones and Pogba, over-hyped by media and fans to be some sort of superstars. It's stupid for fans to think Mourinho is wrong here. Talent alone won't make a player world class.

Take Liverpool for example, Klopp never plays players who are tactically lazy irrespective of how talented they are. A fit Sturridge will never get a nod over Firmino under Klopp because he doesn't work hard tactically. It's the same with City. Pep benched Aguero from day one for Jesus, because he was not working harder tactically. Their message was clear - I don't care how talented you are, if you work hard you are in. Players like Sakho, Yaya, Balotelli never lasted because they just don't work hard enough. Its the same with players like Pogba or Martial, if they are to be considered world class, they can't just rely on skills. They need to work hard on their tactical discipline. Being hailed as some kind of messiah by fans and media has got into their tiny heads and they keep acting like spoiled kids, Jose is right to throw them under the bus. He is publicly slating them to break their imaginary bubble of entitled stardom with which they come to every training session and match day and hardly bother to perform. Players like Shaw, Smalling and Jones can and should offer more. If they can't, they should leave united and play for some mid table club.

United had players like Rooney, Ronaldo, Keane, Scholes Neville, Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, players who work their ass off to get the results. Your Martials and Pogbas hardly do that. The best players of United according to me are, Lingard, Rashford, Valencia, Young, Lukaku, Bailley, Felliani (yes felliani), Sanchez, Herrara, etc. simply because these players respect the manager and fight for their shirts. If the manager asks more, work hard and make it happen. As far as I can see, Mourinho would gladly replace them two (P and M) for other hardworking talents and If I was a united fan, I would say good riddance. Jose is used to the likes of Drogba, Lampard, Terry and would dote the likes of Keane, Rooney and Scholes, because these are warriors. The real winners who carry the club. Not these snowflakes. Pogba and Martial, with their current attitude and form will not make into the City/Liverpool or Spurs. Their managers would instantly drop them until they work harder. Jose is doing the right thing here.

Preseason Loss: United lost a bunch of pre-season games playing terrible football with little to no direction.

So much is made out United's preseason loss. United had least number of 1st team players due to world cup and big injury list. Their pre-season preparations were hardly ideal. You have to look at the context before moaning. Everybody knows Mourinho's tactics rely as much on physical attributes as on ball playing skills. Strong target man Players like Lukaku/Felliani/Drogba/Ibra etc.. are a vital must for Mourinho's sytem to flourish. The ball playing players pick up the pieces knocked down from the Target man to create chaos in final third. This is the tactical reality under Mourinho since ages. A reserve United team under Mourinho would never perform as well as his first team. They just don't have that right personnel to execute it. To draw conclusion from the reserve team performance and co-relate it with the main team performance is naivety at best. They are entirely two different teams (which is not the case for other tactical systems such as, Klopp/Pep's, which relies more on system and personal skills only enhance them) Pre-season loss has zero context to the actual season for Mourinho's team. Despite all that they only lost to a strong Liverpool and Bayern Munich Side. I can't understand the negativity and furor. The actual interview about team and players was a misquoted hyperbolic. Jose was angry after a loss to an important rival and ranted. Simple as that. To say that it damages young players morale is a joke. If Every time a manager yells at his players after a game will shatter a players confidence, we will have zero confident players in the world.

Poor Transfer Choices: Failed Transfers is Jose's fault due to Bailley and Lindelof being poor Jose signing, he cannot be trusted with money. Prioritising Defenders over wingers/full backs is wrong.

Attacking Talent: Rashford, Lingard, Sanchez, Martial, Lukaku
Midfield Talent: Fred, Matic, Perreira, Felliani, Herrera, Mata, improved Pogba (due to fred covering defensive duties),
Defensive Talent: Bailly (CB), Smalling (CB), Jones (CB), Lindelof (CB), Darmian, Young (Dalot), Valencia (Shaw).

Any blind person will say the United's weakest area is defensive talent. One injury to Bailly will prove disastrous as Jones/Smalling are not reliable both by quality and injury and Lindelof haSn't been great. Yes United does need, wing backs. But the need is more to improve attack than defense when it comes to Young and Valencia. If Shaw steps up and the Dalot punt works, again you have fresher legs from young and valencia.

The purchase of Fred, despite a defensive one is meant to free up Pogba (Kind of an attacking purchase).The only way, United buys a new effective winger is if they sell Martial. If you honestly asses the squad, you really need a CB, the bedrock of Mourinho tactics and may be a back up to Lukaku, the desperate Felliani signing makes sense. Other than Lewandowski, I don't see other CF in market replacing Lukaku from the first team. Sanchez is meant to play around Lukaku not to replace him. So yeah, woodward should have went and purchased a CB this market. IMO the most important need for United.

Pep brought Claudio, replaced him with Ederson agreeing he was bad. Brought Mendy, replaced him with Walker once he got injured. If you want to challenge city right away (like most arm chair glory hunting fake united fans want), you have to get Mourinho what he wants, though he made a mistake with Lindelof (Don't think Bailly was a mistake. He is a great defender, just had a bad day).

Soul Destroying Defensive Football: United don't have a set attacking plan (Hoof-ball style). Pales in comparison to City/Liverpool

The way united is playing so poorly is not Mourinho's fault. Yes he is a defense minded pragmatic coach, but the reason why united is playing so poorly right now has 80% to do with the quality of his squad than his tactics. His Chelsea(Old& new) /Inter/Real sides played defensively in big cup games or against stronger teams, but always destroyed the small teams. They were never this boring or bad in any of his previous teams. This united team just don't have the same quality. The players are not stringing 2 passes together.

Midfield: Essien,Makele, Lampard, Cambiasso, Sneijder, Zanetti, Ozil, Kaka, Hazard, Matic (prime),
Wingers: Robben, Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria,
Strikers: Drogba, Ibra (prime), Eto, Milito, Costa
Defenders: Every One (long List)

Compare these with the Current United Squad.. Not Just in talent, the desire, passion, hard work.. The Current United squad is no where near this. Taking this United team to 2nd in itself is a great achievement. United fans wishing for Tuchel/Emery/Jardim/Pochettino etc., are the same fans who are giving a team progressing under Mourinho zero chances after 2 league games. Any manager other than Pep, will not be able to pacify these fickle online keyboard United fans.

I will make the bold prediction here, United will come 2nd (or 3rd depending on Liverpool). It will not be a big gap between the top 3 teams. They will do way better than what the "Sack Mourinho Glory Hunting Impatient Arm Chair" united fans believe. If they had got him a decent CB in the summer and backed him with his targets, he would give a bigger fight than Liverpool to the City side. (This coming from an ardent Liverpool Fan).

The Guy is a winner. Stop Moaning against the manager. Be Patient, United will do good.

I dedicated my last allowed post for the day to say to you, sir, well fecking said.

Many on here would disagree with you without even proving you wrong because their soft little minds are made up. Jose is a dead man walking at United. Only a matter of time. Either way, it would be interesting to see who they bring in next to try to turn shit into gold.
 
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What a load of nonsense blaming the squad but conveniently forgeting most players have been acquired by Jose himself.

Current squad.
De Gea (SAF)
Romero (LVG)
Grant

Darmian (shite acquired by LVG)
Valencia (was once a good winger, clueless at wingback SAF)
Young (As Above)
Rojo (Crocked shite, LVG)
Jones (Crocked Shite, SAF)
Smalling (Average, SAF)
Shaw (Shite, signed by board)
Bailly
Lindelof
Dalot

Herrera (Average, signed by board)
Lingard (SAF, academy, good player)
Fellaini (Moyes, Shite)
Mata (Moyes, Shite)
Pereira (LVG, Academy)
Pogba
Matic
Fred
Mctominay

Sanchez
Martial (LVG)
Lukaku
rashford (LVG)

10 of our squad of 27 were acquired by Mourinho. Do you know anything about Manchester United. Do you have a brain??????? All of our best players he basically signed. Not his fault he had two twats squander all our money before he came in. Imagine that squad without his signings. We’d struggle to finish top 10. Laughable
 
Current squad.
De Gea (SAF)
Romero (LVG)
Grant

Darmian (shite acquired by LVG)
Valencia (was once a good winger, clueless at wingback SAF)
Young (As Above)
Rojo (Crocked shite, LVG)
Jones (Crocked Shite, SAF)
Smalling (Average, SAF)
Shaw (Shite, signed by board)
Bailly
Lindelof
Dalot

Herrera (Average, signed by board)
Lingard (SAF, academy, good player)
Fellaini (Moyes, Shite)
Mata (Moyes, Shite)
Pereira (LVG, Academy)
Pogba
Matic
Fred
Mctominay

Sanchez
Martial (LVG)
Lukaku
rashford (LVG)

10 of our squad of 27 were acquired by Mourinho. Do you know anything about Manchester United. Do you have a brain??????? All of our best players he basically signed. Not his fault he had two twats squander all our money before he came in. Imagine that squad without his signings. We’d struggle to finish top 10. Laughable

Well seeing as that squad didn't finish below top 10 without his signings....
 
Been saying this for months. The fact that the three managers have almost nothing in common proves this and why I have absolutely no faith in them picking the right person after Jose. They are just going to go for the next avauavail guy.
This club has no set principles of who it believes its manager should be.

Against what if I may ask? I don't believe in all this theory that clubs have some secret methodology to hiring managers. Many other clubs seem to do just this and manage just fine, select from a list of proven managers or take a punt on some young gun. If it works good if it doesn't sack him, I think it really is that simple. You think Madrid/Barca had a clue ZZ or Pep would be that good for them? Or you they would have hesitated to sack them both if it was looking like they were heading nowhere even after only 6 months. Who the feck do you think we should hire that would 100% guarantee us success, ZZ? Poch? Who? And don't they have to be available first? Real Madrid hired Rafa before ZZ ffs so no, unless you have a time machine I don't know what else you're supposed to do apart from pick from who you feel is the best of what's available and hope for the best.

I don't think we did much wrong with the managers we've hired, Moyes is all on Fergie, and if I was the board I don't see how I would have said no if our manager of two decades recommended someone. LVG was manager of Bayern before he came here with a solid track record, we were all happy with the appointment at the time. Jose too was a solid appointment, won the league the season before. Any of these appointments could have easily gone the other way and we'd be celebrating the treble right now, but it just didn't, nothing special or deep about it.

For me what I feel is if a club is properly run, recruiting the right people, both managers and players, in every level, making the right buys, letting go of the right players, hiring the right coaches, there'll just come a time where everything just clicks into perfection, like Madrid under ZZ, Bayern under Jupp, Barca under the Pep and City are getting there very fast. This is my problem with this club, recruitment on every level is shambles, most decent player from our youth ranks for many years has been Rashford, Lingard and Welbeck which is just pathetic. Senior player recruitment crap, Bayern, Madrid and Barca are ditching players better than some of our starters while he just really really love keeping our deadwood. Can't ever seem to want them to leave. Do we really need a manager to put a right/left back in his list before we know we need one? So if we sack Jose this season we'll wait for the next manager to come tell us what to do with Valencia, Darmian, Smalling, Jones, Mata... everybody? It's shocking how incompetent we are.
 
The number of newbs with almost no posts who casually waltz into the mains and make moronic insults to large portions of the forum for not loving their precious Jose enough is quite fascinating.

Now even a (alleged) fecking Liverpool supporter makes his first post a freaking novel on how entitled United fans need to love Mourinho more.
 
The number of newbs with almost no posts who casually waltz into the mains and make moronic insults to large portions of the forum for not loving their precious Jose enough is quite fascinating.

Now even a (alleged) fecking Liverpool supporter makes his first post a freaking novel on how entitled United fans need to love Mourinho more.
I was about to point this out but thought it was only me who would have noticed this. :lol:
 


If it's true that he's not giving any tactical instructions and just leaving it to the players to do what they want then he won't be here for long.

They certainly played like it on Sunday.


I think he has basically logged out and given up. He was probably hoping that he could get 3-4 signings in the Summer to make the team a little different but once he realized he’s going into the season with the same group because the board will not support him he has quit trying.

It’s delaying the inevitable now. There’s no way he will last the season IMO.
 
the only reason people keep harping on about last years "2nd place " is that according to jose , it was an improvement on the previous season ......but going trophyless is what put his career on a knifes edge and upped the ante on this season , and its why having seen him spill the crap he has in the summer , not being backed by the board and what I would call the most pathetic performance of his tenure against brighton , the pressure is well and truly on

I think he'll be gone by xmas
 
I think Mourinho will get sacked and there's enough reason to justify it for sure, but not getting an RW in a period we've been screaming out for one even before his arrival imo screams of the issues higher up the food chain.
 
The number of newbs with almost no posts who casually waltz into the mains and make moronic insults to large portions of the forum for not loving their precious Jose enough is quite fascinating.

Now even a (alleged) fecking Liverpool supporter makes his first post a freaking novel on how entitled United fans need to love Mourinho more.
The newbs may believe that defending Jose equals to supporting United and thus being promoted to the full membership faster.
 
QUOTE="vivaronaldo, post: 22984093, member: 34171"]the only reason people keep harping on about last years "2nd place " is that according to jose , it was an improvement on the previous season ......but going trophyless is what put his career on a knifes edge and upped the ante on this season , and its why having seen him spill the crap he has in the summer , not being backed by the board and what I would call the most pathetic performance of his tenure against brighton , the pressure is well and truly on

I think he'll be gone by xmas[/QUOTE]

Yeah that will be great. We’ll get a new manager in and then what? Guaranteed success? Our crap squad will start to win everything? Phil Jones will get that good through ingenious coaching that Real will buy him for 90 million? Though, As we’ve seen at Liverpool a managerial merry go round yields such fantastic results almost instantly. Or do we go with a Chelsea system of win the league or be sacked? We’ll become the new arsenal, just aiming for 4th place yearly.

I was about to point this out but thought it was only me who would have noticed this. :lol:

Yeah but you did post some utter crap just above about ‘most’ of the current squad being Jose’s signings. When actually it’s a 3rd. Since when was a third most? I think I knew that in reception. Does posting wrong info on here for 3 years make you more valid than everyone else??

And just for the record, I’m not pro or anti mourinho. Just think this club benefitted greatly from managerial stability in the past and sacking managers because we don’t play like your PlayStation does or win everything anymore, or you don’t get to see 8 goals on the MOTD highlight reel, isn’t an answer. The board have most to answer for at current, IMO.

However, they have cleverly set the manager up as the fall guy. I can see him being sacked soon. Then another manager will struggle because of them, and in 20 years, people will say ‘why is it so long since Manchester United won the title’. Just like Liverpool. Who actually have finally apppointed a decent manager and had some patience and it looks like it may bear fruit soon.

And all this about newbs. Are we claiming that a 50 year old bloke who has held a season ticket at United most of his life can suddenly find this forum, create an account out of interest to post and is wrong about everything and has invalid opinions just because he has a new account? Grow up, and a few more brain cells along the way
 
Why do people so willingly believe everything the media puts out against Mourinho and United?
I’m not saying we’re having a great time, the team is clearly not performing as well as it did at the beginning of last season.
 
I'm not hunting for glory, I actually want to watch the football club I love and be able to say, wow, I thoroughly enjoyed that match, win or lose, of course I want us to win everything, but it's not realistic, what is realistic is not having a moany, face like a slapped ass manager on the sidelines thinking it's acceptable to put that defensive reactive shite on the pitch against the likes of Brighton and Sevilla, teams..
I don't watch Manchester United to watch hoofball to Fellaini, it's garbage, it needs to go.

People love their clubs for different reasons. When you say "I want to be able to say I thoroughly enjoyed the match", I feel for you. Mourinho was never going to get that for you. Mourinho football was hardly a joy, effective but never joy. Not in Chelsea, not in Inter, not in Madrid, not in a million years. You should have wanted him out from day one, because what you hate is what he is. United should never have hired Mourinho if you wanted free flowing joy football. The intermediary success and temporary respite from the pan (Moyes/LVG) was never going to quell the fire.

My point is the Brighton trigger is wrong. The performance against Sevilla was not any different to so many other performance. Most games against most of the top teams were no different than the one he played against Sevilla, you may not remember it because he may nick a goal here and there to win them. Its a typical Mourinho CL/Cup/EL performance, thats how he usually wins things against the big boys, only this time it didn't work and it was more damaging because Sevilla is not your regular big name (though they are just as capable to cause an upset to any team on their day).

But all the knee-jerk reaction to the Brighton performance is wrong. It's the 2nd game of the season. Most of the players returned late without any pre-season. It's a one off, too early to decide Mourinho-Out game.

I keep saying Glory Hunting purely from the other posts here. Vast majority of them say "Hail Mourinho" when he wins and "Out Mourinho" when he loses, with zero logic. Fans frustrated with his style didn't have to wait till Brighton game. His style was not going to change even with Ronaldo in the team. Winning one game means "Ok" and losing the next means "Out" is the kind of fan that frustrated me into the glory hunting generalization posts and I am not taking it back.

If you go with mind instead of wounded heart, you will truly see the Brighton game is the 2nd game in the season with tired overworked non pre-seasoned world cup stars not performing at the middle of the park and has nothing to do with Mourinho and his tactics. The Spurs game has also come too soon. I won't be surprised if he proves all wrong and comes out fighting but he is just as capable of imploding in a big poof. But over the entire season, the performances on the whole will be a visible improvement barring major meltdowns.

The number of newbs with almost no posts who casually waltz into the mains and make moronic insults to large portions of the forum for not loving their precious Jose enough is quite fascinating.

Now even a (alleged) fecking Liverpool supporter makes his first post a freaking novel on how entitled United fans need to love Mourinho more.
I was about to point this out but thought it was only me who would have noticed this. :lol:

The Rules clearly state : "Quality of posts not quantity is what counts; mind your language; criticise the post not the poster; remain respectful to other posters, moderators & administrators; no spam".. .

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The number of newbs with almost no posts who casually waltz into the mains and make moronic insults to large portions of the forum for not loving their precious Jose enough is quite fascinating.

Now even a (alleged) fecking Liverpool supporter makes his first post a freaking novel on how entitled United fans need to love Mourinho more.

Indeed it is,that post made my head hurt :wenger:

Not buying a Scouser going through all that effort to passionately and painstakingly defend Mourinho's honor like that for a second :lol:

Not even fans of the club he partly built, Chelsea, do as much
 
Something about Jose has been lost in the last couple years and there is proof -

The proof is Lukaku.

Lukaku was bought at Chelsea for the same expectations that Jose has of Lukaku now at United - made to play as a target man, made to play as costa or Drogba when he is a completely different player. He was sold I'm sure for technical reasons playing as a RW instead as well as other reasons but -

Why did we by only half of a target man for 85mil approx? Lukaku is not the type of player Jose needs in his team; compare Ibrahimpvix to lukaku & no matter how many goals Lukaku can score - he simply won't be capable to play around players the way a proper target man can be played.

It's confusing - it's a half arsed approach to his own transfer & maybe that's what we are seeing at the club.
 
The number of newbs with almost no posts who casually waltz into the mains and make moronic insults to large portions of the forum for not loving their precious Jose enough is quite fascinating.

Now even a (alleged) fecking Liverpool supporter makes his first post a freaking novel on how entitled United fans need to love Mourinho more.
Anything to get a 'like'. I was maybe blinded too during the Moyes time.
 
Jose could have and should have done much better, but the issues at our club run so far deeper than the manager. Until we realize that, we can change as many managers and players as we want.
 
Jose could have and should have done much better, but the issues at our club run so far deeper than the manager. Until we realize that, we can change as many managers and players as we want.

Agree. We need complete revolution in the football department from next season. Best solution currently imo :

Mourinho graps the squad to secure a top 4 finish.
Mourinho leaves by the end of the season on "mutual consent"
Hire a good and experienced DOF, let him choose the next manager according to certain cretiria, no panic decision again in hiring the biggest name available.Cough*Zidane*cough
If Pogba is still sulking in the media, sell him to get rid of the circus his agent brings, and get a good amount of money to add to the budget, like 150-200m or something
Use the money to strengthen the squad in balanced way, signing CB, LB, CM, RW, RB. Several players will play on their end of contracts next season and should be chopped without extensions like Young, Mata..etc. Exactly what City did with their aging playera last season.
 
It won't happen, but I'd actually prefer if he went sooner rather than at the end of the season so that the new manager a freebie half season to suss the squad out.
 
Jose could have and should have done much better, but the issues at our club run so far deeper than the manager. Until we realize that, we can change as many managers and players as we want.

The crux of that deeper issue is clearly Woodward.

Unfortunately, he'll continue to have his say in football matters and continue to botch it.
 
Fact here is something about man utd has been unsuitable for both LVG and Mourinho to implement their tactics. For all the "park the bus" accusations thrown at Mourinho, his teams regularly scored 70 plus goals, and could easily dismantle lesser teams, while being tactically and defensively sound enough to nullify teams that were at or above their level away from home ( parking the bus). I noticed in the first weeks of his arrival that the halfway line pressing schemes, in which the opponent is given space up to the half way line before facing a sort of wall which always won back the ball and created counter attacking opportunities, was not evident at utd. The defensive discipline and wing play his teams were known for were also not evident. No clinicality, no discipline. I initially thought Zlatan was responsible for the lack of forward pressing as his age meant he did not run as much, but watching Lukaku sweat to no avail, and considering the pressing success of his PSG team, that theory was disproven. He is and has found it hard to instill any of his usual tactics here, and I cannot figure out why. For the most part, I feel our attackers and full backs are lazy and unintelligent in the press.
 
It won't happen, but I'd actually prefer if he went sooner rather than at the end of the season so that the new manager a freebie half season to suss the squad out.

We won't have many choices to pick from in mid-season. Besides Zidane & Blanc, all other managers you'd ideally want already have jobs at their respective clubs. Unless the plan is to appoint someone from in-house and give them time, money and backing.
 
We won't have many choices to pick from in mid-season. Besides Zidane & Blanc, all other managers you'd idaeally wamt already have jobs at their respective clubs. Unless the plan is to appoint someone from in-house and give them time, money and backing.
Zidane is available and the best option.
 
Mourinho is still a good manager, but I am not sure there is a fit here. The club is very imaged focused, and is showing its conservatism. In addition, the fans are not willing to accept defensive tactics in more difficult games, are increasingly frustrated with his pragmatism in some of the easier games. The players also seem unwilling or unable to full practice his tactical principles, so I would advise that utd sack mourinho as quickly as possible and move on to a manager that will better suit the structure and principles that the club clearly has in mind. I feel the board and Mourinho have reached a point where fences cannot be mended which is why Mourinho must go quickly.

Mourinho is NOT the problem, the expectation of the club and fans, poor recruitment, and the general mediocrity of some of the players at the club, particularly in the back four and the flanks are the reason we look abject at certain junctures. The hiring of a technical director that can work with the manager to secure signings at good value, generate sales at suitable prices, and manage contract discussions is necessary, as it allows the club to implement its vision through recruitment of suitable players. The club should also hire a manager who plays the type of football that the fans want ( the united way), as this has been a running theme since Fergie left, in spite of good results. A manager who conducts himself in a way the club would like, while having long term aspirations for the job ( which is also a thing the club wants). Finally, the club should be prepared to sell certain players that have disrupted the club or have proven to unsuitable quality during their tenure at the club. By this, I mean both Pogba and Martial. Both have proven disruptive figures consistently, and unless both suit the vision of the potential new manager, they should be sold and replaced in January or next season if not possible. Pogba can be replaced by either a CM or AM depending on the formation the new manager would want to implement. I would also sign a right winger to replace Martial. Finally, UTD and the new technical director, should focus heavily on mending the defence with a well suited centre back with the presence and leadership qualities to support the younger centre backs coming through at the club.
This Utd squad is not horrible, and thanks to Mourinho is not far from being competitive both in England and in Europe.But the club cannot reach that stage with the current instability.
 
Manchester United have one of the greatest modern managers in Jose. Tactically one of the most astute managers, who has managed top teams all over the world. Very few managers in the current market can stand up to his achievements (the other one being Pep).There are very few managers who could do what he has for United in the past 2 years. Dragged them from going to an irrelevant joke club under Moyes/LVG, to a team which is well respected if not feared, wins trophies, expected at the least to be a regular top 4 side and compete with the big boys. Yes his style seems very boring, having pampered by the so called "United Way" under Sir Alex; but the guy is extremely pragmatic and above all a winner. Before slagging him off, people should get an objective non-emotional perspective of what is really happening at United that has brought all this negativity and whether it truly warrants Jose criticism.

I am completely perplexed by the amount of negativity here. Almost 90% of these posts are from frustrated fans sitting at home whining constantly because of the Brighton Loss, considering it some kind of predicted culmination based on what happened in pre-season (transfers, Footballing style, US tour, Martial/Pogba incidents). Most of these posts are "Daddy I want the pink Candy" posts, emotional cries from kids with very little regard to logic or reality.


Key points that get churned over and over in these forums and blamed on Jose are:
Dressing Room Loss: Jose "harsh" towards his own players, throwing them under bus - Shaw/Martial/Pogba etc.

Truth is, most of the players slated by Mourinho are players who are just not good enough for United. These are very average players in Martial, Shaw, Smalling, Jones and Pogba, over-hyped by media and fans to be some sort of superstars. It's stupid for fans to think Mourinho is wrong here. Talent alone won't make a player world class.

Take Liverpool for example, Klopp never plays players who are tactically lazy irrespective of how talented they are. A fit Sturridge will never get a nod over Firmino under Klopp because he doesn't work hard tactically. It's the same with City. Pep benched Aguero from day one for Jesus, because he was not working harder tactically. Their message was clear - I don't care how talented you are, if you work hard you are in. Players like Sakho, Yaya, Balotelli never lasted because they just don't work hard enough. Its the same with players like Pogba or Martial, if they are to be considered world class, they can't just rely on skills. They need to work hard on their tactical discipline. Being hailed as some kind of messiah by fans and media has got into their tiny heads and they keep acting like spoiled kids, Jose is right to throw them under the bus. He is publicly slating them to break their imaginary bubble of entitled stardom with which they come to every training session and match day and hardly bother to perform. Players like Shaw, Smalling and Jones can and should offer more. If they can't, they should leave united and play for some mid table club.

United had players like Rooney, Ronaldo, Keane, Scholes Neville, Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, players who work their ass off to get the results. Your Martials and Pogbas hardly do that. The best players of United according to me are, Lingard, Rashford, Valencia, Young, Lukaku, Bailley, Felliani (yes felliani), Sanchez, Herrara, etc. simply because these players respect the manager and fight for their shirts. If the manager asks more, work hard and make it happen. As far as I can see, Mourinho would gladly replace them two (P and M) for other hardworking talents and If I was a united fan, I would say good riddance. Jose is used to the likes of Drogba, Lampard, Terry and would dote the likes of Keane, Rooney and Scholes, because these are warriors. The real winners who carry the club. Not these snowflakes. Pogba and Martial, with their current attitude and form will not make into the City/Liverpool or Spurs. Their managers would instantly drop them until they work harder. Jose is doing the right thing here.

Preseason Loss: United lost a bunch of pre-season games playing terrible football with little to no direction.

So much is made out United's preseason loss. United had least number of 1st team players due to world cup and big injury list. Their pre-season preparations were hardly ideal. You have to look at the context before moaning. Everybody knows Mourinho's tactics rely as much on physical attributes as on ball playing skills. Strong target man Players like Lukaku/Felliani/Drogba/Ibra etc.. are a vital must for Mourinho's sytem to flourish. The ball playing players pick up the pieces knocked down from the Target man to create chaos in final third. This is the tactical reality under Mourinho since ages. A reserve United team under Mourinho would never perform as well as his first team. They just don't have that right personnel to execute it. To draw conclusion from the reserve team performance and co-relate it with the main team performance is naivety at best. They are entirely two different teams (which is not the case for other tactical systems such as, Klopp/Pep's, which relies more on system and personal skills only enhance them) Pre-season loss has zero context to the actual season for Mourinho's team. Despite all that they only lost to a strong Liverpool and Bayern Munich Side. I can't understand the negativity and furor. The actual interview about team and players was a misquoted hyperbolic. Jose was angry after a loss to an important rival and ranted. Simple as that. To say that it damages young players morale is a joke. If Every time a manager yells at his players after a game will shatter a players confidence, we will have zero confident players in the world.

Poor Transfer Choices: Failed Transfers is Jose's fault due to Bailley and Lindelof being poor Jose signing, he cannot be trusted with money. Prioritising Defenders over wingers/full backs is wrong.

Attacking Talent: Rashford, Lingard, Sanchez, Martial, Lukaku
Midfield Talent: Fred, Matic, Perreira, Felliani, Herrera, Mata, improved Pogba (due to fred covering defensive duties),
Defensive Talent: Bailly (CB), Smalling (CB), Jones (CB), Lindelof (CB), Darmian, Young (Dalot), Valencia (Shaw).

Any blind person will say the United's weakest area is defensive talent. One injury to Bailly will prove disastrous as Jones/Smalling are not reliable both by quality and injury and Lindelof haSn't been great. Yes United does need, wing backs. But the need is more to improve attack than defense when it comes to Young and Valencia. If Shaw steps up and the Dalot punt works, again you have fresher legs from young and valencia.

The purchase of Fred, despite a defensive one is meant to free up Pogba (Kind of an attacking purchase).The only way, United buys a new effective winger is if they sell Martial. If you honestly asses the squad, you really need a CB, the bedrock of Mourinho tactics and may be a back up to Lukaku, the desperate Felliani signing makes sense. Other than Lewandowski, I don't see other CF in market replacing Lukaku from the first team. Sanchez is meant to play around Lukaku not to replace him. So yeah, woodward should have went and purchased a CB this market. IMO the most important need for United.

Pep brought Claudio, replaced him with Ederson agreeing he was bad. Brought Mendy, replaced him with Walker once he got injured. If you want to challenge city right away (like most arm chair glory hunting fake united fans want), you have to get Mourinho what he wants, though he made a mistake with Lindelof (Don't think Bailly was a mistake. He is a great defender, just had a bad day).

Soul Destroying Defensive Football: United don't have a set attacking plan (Hoof-ball style). Pales in comparison to City/Liverpool

The way united is playing so poorly is not Mourinho's fault. Yes he is a defense minded pragmatic coach, but the reason why united is playing so poorly right now has 80% to do with the quality of his squad than his tactics. His Chelsea(Old& new) /Inter/Real sides played defensively in big cup games or against stronger teams, but always destroyed the small teams. They were never this boring or bad in any of his previous teams. This united team just don't have the same quality. The players are not stringing 2 passes together.

Midfield: Essien,Makele, Lampard, Cambiasso, Sneijder, Zanetti, Ozil, Kaka, Hazard, Matic (prime),
Wingers: Robben, Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria,
Strikers: Drogba, Ibra (prime), Eto, Milito, Costa
Defenders: Every One (long List)

Compare these with the Current United Squad.. Not Just in talent, the desire, passion, hard work.. The Current United squad is no where near this. Taking this United team to 2nd in itself is a great achievement. United fans wishing for Tuchel/Emery/Jardim/Pochettino etc., are the same fans who are giving a team progressing under Mourinho zero chances after 2 league games. Any manager other than Pep, will not be able to pacify these fickle online keyboard United fans.

I will make the bold prediction here, United will come 2nd (or 3rd depending on Liverpool). It will not be a big gap between the top 3 teams. They will do way better than what the "Sack Mourinho Glory Hunting Impatient Arm Chair" united fans believe. If they had got him a decent CB in the summer and backed him with his targets, he would give a bigger fight than Liverpool to the City side. (This coming from an ardent Liverpool Fan).

The Guy is a winner. Stop Moaning against the manager. Be Patient, United will do good.
Fantastic post. The problem is I actually believe Woodward has the same mindset as those you address.

If we'd have scuffed past Chelsea in the FA Cup final (Jones isn't a calamity vs Hazard, Pogba doesn't bottle his header), if we'd have snuck past Sevilla and made it to a Champions League quarter vs Bayern (the team has more 29 year old leaders in it to prop up the bottlers), combined with 2nd place PL everyone would be happy and Woodward this summer would have been throwing the cash around like he'd just done cocaine in a strip club. Fine margins for the snowflakes.
 
Zidane is available and the best option.

He is available but I am unsure about him being the best option. If he fell out at Real simply because of a discord over the keeper situation, I am unsure how it is going to work out for him here with Eddy.

My hope this time around is that we are more clear in what we want, do proper due diligence, lay out our plans and have everyone on the same page. The lack of clarity and vision so far from the club has been astounding. The stupidity of going from Moyes to LVG to Jose cannot be overstated. Three men with completely different football philosophies and approach. The next man needs the full mandate in conjunction with a Dof/Technical director type of person like at Liverpool and City.

If the club thinks Zidane is that man, then very well. However, I do not want another big name just because he is available to be appointed, and then go through the same cycle in two years time. We need a reset and build this again. A quick fix is not the answer, at least not in my opinion.
 
Mourinho is still a good manager, but I am not sure there is a fit here. The club is very imaged focused, and is showing its conservatism. In addition, the fans are not willing to accept defensive tactics in more difficult games, are increasingly frustrated with his pragmatism in some of the easier games. The players also seem unwilling or unable to full practice his tactical principles, so I would advise that utd sack mourinho as quickly as possible and move on to a manager that will better suit the structure and principles that the club clearly has in mind. I feel the board and Mourinho have reached a point where fences cannot be mended which is why Mourinho must go quickly.

Mourinho is NOT the problem, the expectation of the club and fans, poor recruitment, and the general mediocrity of some of the players at the club, particularly in the back four and the flanks are the reason we look abject at certain junctures. The hiring of a technical director that can work with the manager to secure signings at good value, generate sales at suitable prices, and manage contract discussions is necessary, as it allows the club to implement its vision through recruitment of suitable players. The club should also hire a manager who plays the type of football that the fans want ( the united way), as this has been a running theme since Fergie left, in spite of good results. A manager who conducts himself in a way the club would like, while having long term aspirations for the job ( which is also a thing the club wants). Finally, the club should be prepared to sell certain players that have disrupted the club or have proven to unsuitable quality during their tenure at the club. By this, I mean both Pogba and Martial. Both have proven disruptive figures consistently, and unless both suit the vision of the potential new manager, they should be sold and replaced in January or next season if not possible. Pogba can be replaced by either a CM or AM depending on the formation the new manager would want to implement. I would also sign a right winger to replace Martial. Finally, UTD and the new technical director, should focus heavily on mending the defence with a well suited centre back with the presence and leadership qualities to support the younger centre backs coming through at the club.
This Utd squad is not horrible, and thanks to Mourinho is not far from being competitive both in England and in Europe.But the club cannot reach that stage with the current instability.
So you want to get rid of Mourinho, and then do all things he wanted done (get rid of players, get in a senior defender, etc). How about the board just admit they were wrong, and correct their ways. Less turmoil involved that in changing the manager once again.
 
So you want to get rid of Mourinho, and then do all things he wanted done (get rid of players, get in a senior defender, etc). How about the board just admit they were wrong, and correct their ways. Less turmoil involved that in changing the manager once again.

Because the board won't do that. That's the reality. And the longer they feud with Jose, the worse it gets for us. In addition, alot of the fans have never truly accepted Jose and are against his style of play for the team ( not me btw). The board also seem uncomfortable with his demeanor with the press, and his constant feuding whether just or unjust. Mourinho himself seems frustrated, with the players, the club, and the fact his family isn't with him. I hoped he would come in here and build a dynasty, but the longer this is going, the more unlikely this seems. The club clearly want certain things from the team, which Mourinho has proven to be unable or unwilling to implement. It just seems like a bad fit, but as Jose is a great manager and a smart football man, he also has a good idea of the problems at the club.
 
Fantastic post. The problem is I actually believe Woodward has the same mindset as those you address.

If we'd have scuffed past Chelsea in the FA Cup final (Jones isn't a calamity vs Hazard, Pogba doesn't bottle his header), if we'd have snuck past Sevilla and made it to a Champions League quarter vs Bayern (the team has more 29 year old leaders in it to prop up the bottlers), combined with 2nd place PL everyone would be happy and Woodward this summer would have been throwing the cash around like he'd just done cocaine in a strip club. Fine margins for the snowflakes.

Very well said.
 
At the end of the day, nothing I've seen from Jose in his career leads me to believe he's in anything for the long haul and he's not been as advertised in the short term.

If he finishes the season here, it'll be joint longest he's ever held a managerial job. In each job previous, he's been more successful than he has been at United. We're over two years in and our football is still aimless. He's not adapting his style to the modern game and it shows. There are obvious shortcomings in attack and we spent the majority of the transfer window looking to break the transfer record for a defender, who would replace one of the big money centrebacks Mourinho has already brought in to reshape the team over the past two years. Some of our most talented and exciting players have not only failed to grow under Mourinho, they've regressed. In fact, of all the players who've been at United since before Mourinho was appointed, you could argue that only Jesse Lingard seems to have vastly improved.

He deflects criticism by slating his players more than any other manager I can think of. Can you imagine Fergie coming out, unprovoked, to criticize the club's record signing who'd just won the World Cup and wasn't due back at United for weeks? What the feck did he expect to accomplish with that? That's beneath a United manager. On and off the pitch, I think he's not fit to manage Manchester United and there is nothing in his character that suggests he will change his ways. If this is the job he always wanted, if this is the job he was waiting for... he's got a shit way of showing it.
 
I also don’t know what the expectations were before Mourinho arrived and how close he was to meeting them, or how realistic they had been in the first place.

For the board to turn on him after last season is a bit weird and suggests that something had to happen behind the scenes. We had by far the best league season since Fergie left, got to the FA Cup final which we were a little unlucky to have lost and only really disappointed in the CL but still not to the same extent we had under LvG. In a normal season where a team above us do not break 100 points we would have been in the title race up until the end. We had a reasonably good season but in the end he got no support from Woodward over Summer and he’s getting killed by some fans online as well.
 
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