José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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I think he should go now. We look so clueless in attack and we don't have any identity to our play. He doesn't look too bothered about being the manager at Manchester United anymore.
You got Pep talking about how he can improve that team he has and talked about ideas he had during pre season to attack teams and improve his players. He mentioned about yesterdays game how they can breakdown Huddersfield deep lying backline and decided to play Jesus and Augero from the start to do it and how he can utilise Mendy. There's the difference there in the thoughts of both managers. Pep always coming up with ideas on how to win games.
 
Writing was on the wall from pre-season, Jose's mood, Woodward not backing him, players not buying into the manager. The way we performed 2nd half of last season backs it up.

Clear as day we were in for a shit season.
 
Xaviboy said:
I think he should go now. We look so clueless in attack and we don't have any identity to our play. He doesn't look too bothered about being the manager at Manchester United anymore.
You got Pep talking about how he can improve that team he has and talked about ideas he had during pre season to attack teams and improve his players. He mentioned about yesterdays game how they can breakdown Huddersfield deep lying backline and decided to play Jesus and Augero from the start to do it and how he can utilise Mendy. There's the difference there in the thoughts of both managers. Pep always coming up with ideas on how to win games.
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Spot on, we have a very good squad and the fact we look like relegation fodder while in possession is a disgrace. The only time we looked like we had a plan was when Fellaini was introduced, and we lumped it up to him. That tells all there is about Jose and his tactical setup. No wonder he was desperate to keep Fellaini with us.
 
Kapardin said:
This argument doesn't work. First of all, they didn't finish behind us by 20 points. It was a mere 5-6 points. Secondly, that happened only because Klopp was content with 4th and kept resting his players for the CL games. If Liverpool didn't make the final and focused on the league with that thin squad they had, good chance they ended up with more points than us.

I am not saying Klopp is better or more perfect. Merely that our backline is much better than theirs for the same game, so using the lack of a CB signing is really not a good excuse.
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Youre a liverpool supporter arent you?
 
Ace of Spades said:
Spot on, we have a very good squad and the fact we look like relegation fodder while in possession is a disgrace. The only time we looked like we had a plan was when Fellaini was introduced, and we lumped it up to him. That tells all there is about Jose and his tactical setup. No wonder he was desperate to keep Fellaini with us.
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Exactly. Same tactic every game. Terrible to watch. We do have some very good players. Id rather get someone in now to work with the players and improve our way of playing before it's any later in the season. Least new manager will know come January window what is needed. Might actually address our right wing situation and full backs.
 
Kostov said:
Anyone who watched the game and with cold head will admit the 3 goals conceded were stupid and individual mistakes or a combination of two feck ups that should not happen to defenders playing for this club, I can't blame Mourinho for that.

But how is it possible that we can not string an attack in an entire half? How is that possible? 45 minutes and we couldn't create a single chance. Fecking pathetic. That goes way beyond individual performances and the manager should be held responsible for that. Nobody else. No Ed fecking Woodward, no Pogba, no Martial, no Rashford, no Glazers. It was fecking Brighton and we made them look like Atletico Madrid.
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They were individual errors but they also opened up our defence at times as if we were a non league team.
haram said:
Can you point out the supposed games where we did not deserve the points?
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Our chance to conversion rates do support his point.
 
Green_Red said:
Youre a liverpool supporter arent you?
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Instead of throwing labels and accusations like this, I think its' time to introspect why our rivals are feeling more optimistic about the future than we are. Jose should not be defended when his faults are laid bare.

Forget Liverpool. One can see a style of play evolving in Chelsea under Sarri. And its' only been a few weeks since he's been in charge of their team. Even after 2 years, there is no semblance of identity with us.

I am not Jose out. I backed him a lot initially. But at the moment, patience is stretching thin.
 
Kapardin said:
Instead of throwing labels and accusations like this, I think its' time to introspect why our rivals are feeling more optimistic about the future than we are. Jose should not be defended when his faults are laid bare.

Forget Liverpool. One can see a style of play evolving in Chelsea under Sarri. And its' only been a few weeks since he's been in charge of their team. Even after 2 years, there is no semblance of identity with us.

I am not Jose out. I backed him a lot initially. But at the moment, patience is stretching thin.
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Youre a scouser, go back to RAWK.
 
B20 said:
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And we will still be in this position. At least with Jose we have won the EL and a Cup. I agree the writing is on the wall but I do have a gut feeling that we will beat Spurs. That has been the roller coaster ride we have. I also think Jose has been taken hostage by this so called United way of playing with wingers. He should ditch it and play to the way he wants them to play and to their strengths. Get two up front and play the diamond. That means getting two FB who can provide the width. Also what is the best strength of Lukaku? I still do not know. With the other strikers we had we know their strengths. With Lukaku no one knows.
 
Foxbatt said:
And we will still be in this position. At least with Jose we have won the EL and a Cup. I agree the writing is on the wall but I do have a gut feeling that we will beat Spurs. That has been the roller coaster ride we have. I also think Jose has been taken hostage by this so called United way of playing with wingers. He should ditch it and play to the way he wants them to play and to their strengths. Get two up front and play the diamond. That means getting two FB who can provide the width. Also what is the best strength of Lukaku? I still do not know. With the other strikers we had we know their strengths. With Lukaku no one knows.
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We wouldn’t be in this position with smug Dave. We finished second last year and will play CL football starting next month, we would be Europa League team with Moyes and he would be proclaiming himself a hero for qualifying from a group ahead of Atalanta, Trencin and Valur Reykjavik.

We aren’t where we should be but it could have been a lot worse.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Hasn't he supposedly said the players will be better when they get some confidence. Why do they not have confidence Jose|? Could that be your fault perchance?
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Are you saying that Mourinho should be held responsible for his team's performances? What sort of crazy logic is that!?
 
JPRouve said:
I'm not missing a thing, I'm talking about the tactical approach.
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Tactics is one part of the equation. Quality is another. Even if tactics is a significant variable it could easily be outweighed by quality.

Would be quite complicated statistics to unravel the correlations, but instinctively you have to assume a team with players 1.5-2x as good as another will be more likely to win regardless of tactics.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Are you saying that Mourinho should be held responsible for his team's performances? What sort of crazy logic is that!?
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Time for United to trailblaze and go with the false manager formation. Obviously we don’t need one right now if the players just need to sort themselves out.
 
Minimalist said:
Time for United to trailblaze and go with the false manager formation. Obviously we don’t need one right now if the players just need to sort themselves out.
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We've had false managers for 5 years already :lol:
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Tactics is one part of the equation. Quality is another. Even if tactics is a significant variable it could easily be outweighed by quality.

Would be quite complicated statistics to unravel the correlations, but instinctively you have to assume a team with players 1.5-2x as good as another will be more likely to win regardless of tactics.
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I wasn't talking about winning, I didn't mention winning, success or anything, just described the tactical set up.
If you want to do that go ahead but it has nothing to do with me.
 
Coaches like players have cycles.
This man is no longer good enough.
 
I genuinely feel his only chance to survive here now is to go va-bank with ultra-attacking football and hope it works out somehow.
 
I genuinely no longer care about the results at this stage as we're not winning shit this year just want to see us enjoy playing and having a go at teams.
 
Rajma said:
Very high press with intensity would be a good place to start I guess.
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Have Mourinho teams done that in the past with any consistency? I haven't really watched his previous teams. However, I doubt this incarnation of Mourinho would be able to implement a consistent high intensity press when he can't even get his players to move off the ball in coordinated fashion.
 
Rash Decision said:
Have Mourinho teams done that in the past with any consistency? I haven't really watched his previous teams. However, I doubt this incarnation of Mourinho would be able to implement a consistent high intensity press when he can't even get his players to move off the ball in coordinated fashion.
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He better pulls the rabbit out the hat as he won't survive until October otherwise.
 
To many things are wrong to turn this around. If the relationship with the board is strained, if he's lost the dressing room and if the fans have had enough of his style of football, then all that is left is the results to go tits up and he's gone. If we go on a bad run, he'll be sacked.

This is Chelsea all over again. His last season at Chelsea wasnt just a case of bad results leading to a sacking. Everything went wrong. Results, relationship with players, staff, the board, the fans. When it goes wrong, it really goes wrong with this bloke.
 
Foxbatt said:
And we will still be in this position. At least with Jose we have won the EL and a Cup. I agree the writing is on the wall but I do have a gut feeling that we will beat Spurs. That has been the roller coaster ride we have. I also think Jose has been taken hostage by this so called United way of playing with wingers. He should ditch it and play to the way he wants them to play and to their strengths. Get two up front and play the diamond. That means getting two FB who can provide the width. Also what is the best strength of Lukaku? I still do not know. With the other strikers we had we know their strengths. With Lukaku no one knows.
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you know I was taking the piss, right?
 
Foxbatt said:
And we will still be in this position. At least with Jose we have won the EL and a Cup. I agree the writing is on the wall but I do have a gut feeling that we will beat Spurs. That has been the roller coaster ride we have. I also think Jose has been taken hostage by this so called United way of playing with wingers. He should ditch it and play to the way he wants them to play and to their strengths. Get two up front and play the diamond. That means getting two FB who can provide the width. Also what is the best strength of Lukaku? I still do not know. With the other strikers we had we know their strengths. With Lukaku no one knows.
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I find it very difficult to believe this is the case. Jose does what he thinks it takes to win. The board are not going to demand that he play with wingers if it means he can't win trophies. And honestly, the last time we saw Jose caring about playing the "United Way" and entertaining the fans was probably very early on last season. Could give him credit for persisting with some of the academy products but that's about it.
 
FujiVice said:
To many things are wrong to turn this around. If the relationship with the board is strained, if he's lost the dressing room and if the fans have had enough of his style of football, then all that is left is the results to go tits up and he's gone. If we go on a bad run, he'll be sacked.

This is Chelsea all over again. His last season at Chelsea wasnt just a case of bad results leading to a sacking. Everything went wrong. Results, relationship with players, staff, the board, the fans. When it goes wrong, it really goes wrong with this bloke.
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Because he’s a petulant child. Never holds his hands up and takes responsibility, no no, he’s perfect in every way and it’s always someone else’s fault if he loses. Could be the star player, or the physio, or the board. Take your pick. Then he goes to the press and has these pathetic little digs that are clearly designed to wind people up, but to what end? To protect his own ego?

Dominant Jose could get away with it, but when he’s not delivering results everyone around him loses their patience fast. So he ends up falling out with everyone until the place is so toxic the only solution is for him to leave. Pogba and Martial clearly hate him, and they’re probably not alone. You can’t win with those sorts of divisions in the squad. One thing that’s very noticeable with City and Liverpool is that every player loves playing for their manager. And it really shows with the performances on the pitch.
 
It's up to the players now tbh - they seem to have turned on Mou. I don't think he can setup any different with our players and we should have beaten Brighton with the squad we have.

Woodward will be speaking behind the scenes to the Raiola's of the world and they'll be filtering it through to the players, the manager is the most vulnerable at the club.
 
Please lets just get rid now. That was a complete shambles.
We aren't quite in his last year at Chelsea territory yet, but we will be in another couple of months. The players aren't playing for him any more, he's lost them. When that happens its past the point of no return. The board clearly don't trust him. The style of play, if you can call it a style is a disgrace considering the quality of players at his disposal.
Every game he is still in charge is a wasted opportunity.
 
It is also the players. I do not think Jose is going to say, please do not pass the ball quickly or please do not move into open spaces. He is not going to tell Mata, please do not stay wide but please come inside and clutter up the space Lukaku wants so that he does not have any space to operate. To Lukakau to do a dummy back heel or to Martial to run into the opposition traffic, to Bailly to go to sleep. etc.
If they do not play like he wants them to play then there is no chance for him and its better he goes.
 
Thisistheone said:
Writing was on the wall from pre-season, Jose's mood, Woodward not backing him, players not buying into the manager. The way we performed 2nd half of last season backs it up.

Clear as day we were in for a shit season.
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And this was the very reason why I was in meltdown during the transfer window; when Jose was moaning about us not spending money, while Woodward was trying to save money for his bosses.
Unfortunately, there is no point in moaning now because nothing can be changed. Woodward can't go and buy 2 good quality players.
We now have to make do with the squad and manager we have and hope that they can work together to create more than 3 shots on target, per game.
 
The Purley King said:
Please lets just get rid now. That was a complete shambles.
We aren't quite in his last year at Chelsea territory yet, but we will be in another couple of months. The players aren't playing for him any more, he's lost them. When that happens its past the point of no return. The board clearly don't trust him. The style of play, if you can call it a style is a disgrace considering the quality of players at his disposal.
Every game he is still in charge is a wasted opportunity.
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I hear what you are saying.
So, let's say you are the Woodward. You fire Jose today. Then what?
Outline your plan of action regarding the next managerial appointment, given that no suitable candidates are available.
 
Dorian Gray said:
I get the disillusionment with Mourinho. But who (that is realistically available) would be able to do a better job than Mourinho coming in mid-season?
I feel the best thing would be to maybe finalize the replacement but wait till season-end so that the new manager gets a full transfer window and pre-season for prep.
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I still don't think there's anyone that's going to do better than Mourinho.
Can't think of a single name that you can say with confidence that will make us at least second this season.
Heck, even top 4 is a big ask.

But if the board was going to hang him out to dry, might as well just sacked him.
Now we have him stuck in no mans land, players clearly know the board don't back him and mostly likely going to replace him at the end of the season at the latest.
He's got nothing to work with now.
 
I find the idea that nobody else could get us playing better football, pretty insulting. That idea goes way beyond United - you see it all the time at other clubs with a change of management.

Just as insulting as the idea that human beings picking a manager couldn’t possibly have got it wrong three times in a row post-Ferguson (so it must be the players!)
 
Second game of the season. That's how far we are into the new season, and already we're apparently in crisis. I'm not buying it just yet.

I'm not saying this is all going to end peachy, but lets not buy into the hysteria around the club too readily. Yesterday was awful, but we were missing key players, and the likes of Young, Lingard and Lukaku are nowhere near ready to be playing 90 minutes. On top of that, Fred and Pereira are getting used to the league, whilst you can probably count on one hand how many league games Bailly and Lindelof have started together. Wait for the squad to get a little more settled before casting sweeping claims over the future of Jose and the board.

For my two cents - things don't look great right now, and we seem a long way from Liverpool and City. Not just in terms of what we're likely to achieve, watching us play is simply not enjoyable. Most of us now do it out of loyalty than pleasure. I think even Jose's biggest fans would accept that his major draw as a manager is his winning capacity. If he's not providing fans and the club with this, then its hard not to get frustrated by him.

But things clearly go deeper than the manager at the club, and we're struggling to maintain dominance over the league's smaller teams let alone keep up with the biggest. We may have finished second last season but we certainly weren't the second best team in the league. We shouldn't be where we currently are, but the fact that we are isn't wholly due to the manager. We need long term planning and investment proportionate to what we, as a club, are worth. I'd expect us to be outspending everyone - bar City - on a regular basis, and the fact that we haven't invested on this level does suggest a lack of trust within the running of the club. But, equally, stability is needed at United right now. We've had 5 years of turmoil with no real reward. There's nothing to suggest chopping and changing will bring back genuine success anytime soon. We need to make a collective decision regarding the top-down running of the club for a 5 year period and commit.
 
Foxbatt said:
It is also the players. I do not think Jose is going to say, please do not pass the ball quickly or please do not move into open spaces. He is not going to tell Mata, please do not stay wide but please come inside and clutter up the space Lukaku wants so that he does not have any space to operate. To Lukakau to do a dummy back heel or to Martial to run into the opposition traffic, to Bailly to go to sleep. etc.
If they do not play like he wants them to play then there is no chance for him and its better he goes.
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Yeah of course he doesn't. Frankly I feel this is a bit of a strawman argument that some (not saying you) use to put the blame entirely on the players. It's like saying, the manager didn't ask the players to lose the game, so losing was entirely the players' fault.

"Telling" isn't enough. I think the question is whether his coaching and his system are adequate to get the players to execute what he wants. He can tell the players to pass the ball faster, but does he do enough passing drills in training? Does he teach the players how to move into positions to facilitate quicker passing? He may not tell Mata to come inside and clutter the space, but does he explicitly tell Mata to stay wide and do XX or else? Does he coach patterns such that all the players know what to do when Mata stays wide? I could go on, but you get my drift I'm sure.
 
Let's see how we bounce back against Spurs, that will really show how the players and managers are reacting to the shit show yesterday.
 
sunama said:
I hear what you are saying.
So, let's say you are the Woodward. You fire Jose today. Then what?
Outline your plan of action regarding the next managerial appointment, given that no suitable candidates are available.
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Is that true? Have you sounded potential managers out?
 
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