Also not a left back though, so no point in comparing to Shaw. But I agree. Would personally love signing both Tierney and Sessegnon. Itd be classic Fergie signings, and that left flank would look sorted for a decade injuries and mentality permitting. Both seem to have good heads on their shoulders, both definitely talented enough, both the right type of players (I know we're "stocked" at left wing, but really we aren't imo. Martial is on his way out, Rashford not really all that on the left and surely not his future, Sanchez almost 30 and probably more effective centrally too). Not to mention that Sessegnon would be a left footed left winger with pace, which we havent had in ages.
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That would definitely send some message to OT's bored brigade. Not to mention United would perhaps start trashing teams 3:0 from time to time.
How long would Sessegnon remain as a winger though ? Will he be a pure winger like Mahrez or could he maybe transition into a RB or LB like Young ? We definitely need someone else, if Mourinho has criticized Shaw so many times he probably has good reason to do it. About the wings, Sanchez doesn't have the same pace he had three or four years ago, Rashford has the pace but the people on this website seem to agree that he needs to develop his footballing brain. There's a small chance the board goes for Bale...but so far, it never came close to happening.
Actually yes, scoring goals does to a large extent determine your final position unless your defending is a shambles. We came fifth in that respect, a country mile behind city despite having a virtually identical defensive record. You can't score the fifth highest amount of goals in the league and expect to win it irrespective of how good your defensive stats are. Teams who score more goals get more wins and by extension points and the team who wins the league typically has the highest goals scored or very close.Ah yes because the league table is decided by goals scored, no wonder Liverpool are in 2nd place.
Our problem this season is creating chances against packed defences, we are great when our backs are against the wall and have space to work with.
We must recapture the 4-0 FC we had in the first quarter of the season, which will see us score ~15 more goals. We do not need to score 100 goals in the league to win it.
The only slight change I’d personally make to that list is Mahrez instead of Bale.
You will get about the same like the Depay deal.
Looks like Alex Sandro is a goer and he’s not been picked for the Brazil World Cup squad so his signing is easy with no World Cup distractions, Meunier will NOT be leaving PSG as Dani Alves has done his cruciates and out til the end of the year so may not even return the same as seen with Zlatan.
I like Odriozola at Sociedad if we’re goung to buy a right back although I’d happily stay with Valencia and Young for a season then promote Laird and/or O’Connor with a new right back signed whilst Valencia and Young left, only see a centre back coming in if we sell a couple as we’re well stocked even though it’s quantity over quality what we have currently so Alderweireld or De Ligt IF we sign one.
Carrick has retired and Fellaini hopefully off so a quality playmaker/conductor in Carrick’s mould is what’s needed in my opinion (Thiago, Kroos, Verratti) and Fellaini would be replaced with a combination of McTominay, Fosu-Mensah and Pereira which added to Pogba, Herrera, Matic and a new playmaker is a great balance.
I think unfortunately it’s nailed on that Martial will leave but the new forward needs to be right sided (Bale, Mahrez, Douglas Costa, Malcolm) as Sanchez and Rashford cover the left already as does Lingard if needed and also Gomes if we’re looking at promoting from within.
So I’m hoping,
Odriozola
Alderweireld/De Ligt
Alex Sandro
Kroos/Thiago/Verratti
Bale/Mahrez
I like Odriozola at Sociedad if we’re goung to buy a right back although I’d happily stay with Valencia and Young for a season then promote Laird and/or O’Connor with a new right back signed whilst Valencia and Young left, only see a centre back coming in if we sell a couple as we’re well stocked even though it’s quantity over quality what we have currently so Alderweireld or De Ligt IF we sign one.
Carrick has retired and Fellaini hopefully off so a quality playmaker/conductor in Carrick’s mould is what’s needed in my opinion (Thiago, Kroos, Verratti) and Fellaini would be replaced with a combination of McTominay, Fosu-Mensah and Pereira which added to Pogba, Herrera, Matic and a new playmaker is a great balance.
I think unfortunately it’s nailed on that Martial will leave but the new forward needs to be right sided (Bale, Mahrez, Douglas Costa, Malcolm) as Sanchez and Rashford cover the left already as does Lingard if needed and also Gomes if we’re looking at promoting from within.
So I’m hoping,
Odriozola
Alderweireld/De Ligt
Alex Sandro
Kroos/Thiago/Verratti
Bale/Mahrez
I can't imagine we'll sign 6 first team players in one window. More likely 3 or 4. RB/LB/CM/RW would be my priority.
Which, if any, of Kroos, Thiago or Verratti might be available? Agree that one of them would be ideal but am not holding out much hope!
I can't see us signing 6 players, between the inflated prices, shoterer transfer window and the World CVup, I just can't see that amount of business getting done.
There wont be 2 CM's as Fellaini will stay and I think Mourinho will just by a LB and have Young as back-up for both fullback roles, rotating quite often with Valencia to keep Tony fresh for the bigger games.
I'm convinced we'll buy a LB and I think a CB is likely due to how unreliable ours are. Mourinho has already confirmed we'll buy a CM and I think the Winger will depend on if Martial or Mata go.
There wont be 2 CM's as Fellaini will stay and I think Mourinho will just by a LB and have Young as back-up for both fullback roles, rotating quite often with Valencia to keep Tony fresh for the bigger games.
I'm convinced we'll buy a LB and I think a CB is likely due to how unreliable ours are. Mourinho has already confirmed we'll buy a CM and I think the Winger will depend on if Martial or Mata go.
Jorginho
Sergej Milinkovic-Savic
Gareth Bale
Sandro
Alderweireld/Koulibaly
Save some money and let Valencia/Young battle for the RB for one more season.
Sergej Milinkovic-Savic
Gareth Bale
Sandro
Alderweireld/Koulibaly
Save some money and let Valencia/Young battle for the RB for one more season.
The system is only as good as the player AND the coaching. So far, Jose hasn't really demonstrated his coaching has been good enough to warrant getting the current group to punch above their collective weight. We are effectively just a touch better than what we had with LvG but certainly not enough to having warranted changing managers or spending about £160m on Pogba and Lukaku alone with nothing to show for it. Jose has to first demonstrate he can manage a group of players to outperform their perceived value - sort of like he did at Porto and Inter - before we make it an annual custom to allow him to break the bank and 5 or 6 new players because last year's lot weren't quite good enough.
Sergej Milinković-Savić is quite similar to Pogba which has fans divided into the we already have a player like that vs another player like that can't hurt.
He has shown throughout his career how good he is, while the players have not. simple.
The performance of the players is directly correlated to his management of the team. He hasn't exactly done so well since 2010. 2 leagues total, 1 Copa Del Rey, and Zero CLs. Not exactly the sort of results he managed in the 2000s.
Not a chance in hell are we signing 6 first team players in a single window, pure clickbait.
That would be amazing
Hasn’t he done that with the likes of Lingard, Herrera, Young, Smalling, Rojo, McTominay and defence in general having the 2nd lowest GA in the league with an average at best backline? I would say so. It just goes to show it’d be absurd to think he can maintain that and not have to buy better players. He’s demonstrated for 2 years now and it’s evident there was a TON of deadwood and players that should have no place expected to start for a club like United.
...breaking the bank has to be done because this is a rebuild. When SAF left, no one would be able to extract the most out of ordinary players like he did and that squad was past it. José is in charge of doing so and why he needs to sign a number of players in the summer windows. There’s no other way to do such an overhaul really and expect to compete. And I disagree again. Last years lot were our best players at points throughout the season. He brought in 3 players last year - Lukaku, Matic, Lindelof. Lukaku was our most consistent forward and was one of the top strikers in the league in terms of goals. Matic was our most relied on midfielder. Lindelof didn’t play a whole lot and still young but that lot did exceptionally well for the most part. And Alexis who was swapped for Mkhi; too early being he came in mid season and had to adapt but even then he was our MOTM for a few games.
Guess we’re just not seeing eye to eye so I’ll respectfully agree to disagree
Yep.
He’s tried demonstrating he can work with the players at hand. He’s done so for 2 years now and it’s clear he’s got a good read that a bunch of them just aren’t good enough. Enough is enough and he has to continue to overhaul the squad and create a new generation of Red Devils...it’s the natural evolution of any team in sports. Players get old and you have to rebuild/reload/replace them and build a new identity with new blood. It’s exactly what’s taking place right now and why he’s got to “break the bank” because quite frankly, it’s the only way to go about it unless you want to be left back and continuously behind the competition playing catch-up.
Hasn’t he done that with the likes of Lingard, Herrera, Young, Smalling, Rojo, McTominay and defence in general having the 2nd lowest GA in the league with an average at best backline? I would say so. It just goes to show it’d be absurd to think he can maintain that and not have to buy better players. He’s demonstrated for 2 years now and it’s evident there was a TON of deadwood and players that should have no place expected to start for a club like United.
...breaking the bank has to be done because this is a rebuild. When SAF left, no one would be able to extract the most out of ordinary players like he did and that squad was past it. José is in charge of doing so and why he needs to sign a number of players in the summer windows. There’s no other way to do such an overhaul really and expect to compete. And I disagree again. Last years lot were our best players at points throughout the season. He brought in 3 players last year - Lukaku, Matic, Lindelof. Lukaku was our most consistent forward and was one of the top strikers in the league in terms of goals. Matic was our most relied on midfielder. Lindelof didn’t play a whole lot and still young but that lot did exceptionally well for the most part. And Alexis who was swapped for Mkhi; too early being he came in mid season and had to adapt but even then he was our MOTM for a few games.
Guess we’re just not seeing eye to eye so I’ll respectfully agree to disagree
Lingard yes, the others not so much. McTominay is a natural youth player to emerge and would've done so under LvG as well. More importantly, the squad as a whole has spent the year vacillating from boringly effective to boringly ineffective. SAF was as good as he was because he made lesser players like Evans, Fletcher, Cleverley, Rafael et al perform better than they actually were (as evidenced by their post-United performances) and won leagues with them in the side. Jose would never be able to do something like that in the present and has to compensate by making galactico buys each summer to simply stay afloat. That's not to say he's completely in over his head, but that he needs to to show more squad solidarity in our performances before he is allowed to break the bank each summer.
Would love to have 6 signings here in the summer but I don't think it's possible. I think we could do without signing a CB but if someone like Alderweirald is available (which he is), then you have to strongly consider making a move. It's not just that he's better than all our CBs, it's also that he's a ball playing CB which can help us build play from the back, something this team desperately needs. I think Martial leaving should make Mourinho sign an attacking player but honestly, Martial staying or leaving has nothing to do with the fact that we need a right wing player desperately. Martial doesn't play right wing so its got nothing to do with him. I would still love to have someone like Griezmann or Dybala here playing on the right wing, in a role similar to Mata where they have freedom. I know a lot of people here don't feel that those players can play on the right wing but I think they can if you give them the right amount of freedom. Alexis hasn't worked out the way we thought he would, and I have strong doubts whether Alexis can turn things around next season. That's why we need a world class level or a very good player on our right wing. Mahrez would be more than fine too.
Griezmann wont be coming here
And if he did it wouldn’t be to play RW
And if he did it wouldn’t be to play RW
Title sounds about right. Right winger is needed, I thought Sanchez would play there tbh
I honestly think Thiago could be gotten if we properly went after him, I’ve seen talk of £50-£60 million and City after him so IF he is available then I’d go all out for him.
City have De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogan, Fernandinho and Foden already so don’t see them wanting another playmaker/conductor and more likely a long term replacement/alternative to Fernandinho so unless Barca came in for Thiago I think we’d have a clear run at him and he’s about to enter his prime years.
Get rid: Fellaini, Darmian, Blind, Mata, Rojo, Smalling, maybe Young (don't see much between him and Shaw to be honest and only 1 has the capacity to improve), Romero (not by choice just imagine he can get a starting role at a good club, Arsenal could do worse).
Retired: Carrick
Incoming: Pereira, Tuanzebe, Fosu Mensah. (Want Pereira to be a squad membet, not against loaning the others for another year).
Transfers in (hopefully somewhat realistic):
Meunier
Alderweireld
Sandro
Jorginho
SMS/Barella
Pulisic(please God)/Willian (not if Martial has to be used in the deal)/Bale (beg Pep for his doctors number).
Ideally team would be: 433
De Gea/Pereira
Meunier/Valencia
Alderweireld/Lindelof
Jones/Bailly
Sandro/Shaw
Jorgihno/Matic
SMS/Barella
Pogba/Pereira
Sanchez/Rashford
Lukaku/Martial
Pulisic/Lingard
Represents my ideal starters and who I'd prefer to replace them in certain games.
Players left over to provide extra cover: Fosu Mensah, Tuanzebe, Herrera, one of Chong and Gomes if we have serious injuries up front.
Looks a potentially great side to me and the depth is pretty damn great overall.
Of course the most important signing is an attacking coach who can stay true to Jose's overall stability but can implement a proper attacking threat and fluidity. We need lethal counters for the big games and need proper patterns to break down the deep defenses.
Retired: Carrick
Incoming: Pereira, Tuanzebe, Fosu Mensah. (Want Pereira to be a squad membet, not against loaning the others for another year).
Transfers in (hopefully somewhat realistic):
Meunier
Alderweireld
Sandro
Jorginho
SMS/Barella
Pulisic(please God)/Willian (not if Martial has to be used in the deal)/Bale (beg Pep for his doctors number).
Ideally team would be: 433
De Gea/Pereira
Meunier/Valencia
Alderweireld/Lindelof
Jones/Bailly
Sandro/Shaw
Jorgihno/Matic
SMS/Barella
Pogba/Pereira
Sanchez/Rashford
Lukaku/Martial
Pulisic/Lingard
Represents my ideal starters and who I'd prefer to replace them in certain games.
Players left over to provide extra cover: Fosu Mensah, Tuanzebe, Herrera, one of Chong and Gomes if we have serious injuries up front.
Looks a potentially great side to me and the depth is pretty damn great overall.
Of course the most important signing is an attacking coach who can stay true to Jose's overall stability but can implement a proper attacking threat and fluidity. We need lethal counters for the big games and need proper patterns to break down the deep defenses.
Sandro
Alderwield
RB - Don't have a preference, anyone who can cross will do
SMS
Neves
Willian
I think we need the proven quality and experience.
Alderwield
RB - Don't have a preference, anyone who can cross will do
SMS
Neves
Willian
I think we need the proven quality and experience.
This lot would be close to 300 million I think.
Meunier - 40
Alderweireld - 40
Sandro - 30
Jorginho - 50
SMS/Barella - 80
Pulisic(please God)/Willian (not if Martial has to be used in the deal)/Bale (beg Pep for his doctors number). - 50
Alderweireld's name is getting destroyed here at times
Would be a tough pick between him and Umtiti.
Would be a tough pick between him and Umtiti.
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That's why I put Barella in as an altetnative option to SMS as he'd be a lot cheaper. Would also depend on what we'd get for those sold, I'd wager this:
Romero: 15
Darmian: 15
Smalling: 20
Young: 10
Blind: 20
Mata: 20
Jose is good at getting money for players so hopefully 100 million could be raised along with losing the wages of all these players plus Carrick, Fellaini and Ibra.
Alderweireld's name is getting destroyed here at times
Would be a tough pick between him and Umiti.
I got it right, yes! Aye on one hand one is Premier League proven but the other is class and has age on his side.
Don't think Sandro would be going for 'only' 30 million. I've been hearing/reading reports around the 50 million mark. Not sure how many years he has left on his contract and how desperate Juventus are to keep/get rid of him. Cheapest I think we could get him for I say is around 40 million.
Good to see you all encouraging Mourinho to buy players that would cost above £200m in total.
If you can’t beat em!
If you can’t beat em!
Darmian would probably go the other way, so Darmian + 30.
You say that but Pep was close to spending 120m odd in January just to top up his squad.
It'll cost us considerably more to be joining em with City.
But he didn’t spend £120m in January, so I’m not sure what your point is.
buy 3/4 top players that the least ur going to be spending no matter what team you are if you want to be up the top,
And we haven't spent 200m as of yet.
My point is, spending 200m this summer isn't joining em when you were a Leicester yes away from spending 500m in 2 years.
Is spending 50 percent less than City considered joining them?
Hey, yous spending £200m this summer isn’t a problem for me. Spending huge amounts to improve isn’t what any club wants to do - I’m sure we’d all prefer our teams to be full of local talent and lifelong fans - but the reality is you have to. It’s your lot who seem to have a bee in your bonnets about transfer fees, so it’s good to see you finally accepting the reality.Always funny seeing Man City fanboys arguing about transfer fees
Exactly. It’s a shame United’s fans couldn’t see this side of the argument when we were spending over the top to catch up!
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