Another CB? So either Lindelof or Bailey were a failure? It's too soon imo.
José looking to sign 6 players in summer - 2CM, LB, RB, W, CB [Times]
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We need that many players sadly but I don't think we'll be in for anywhere near that amount. I'd be surprised if we signed more than three to be honest.
Mourinho stating that he wont be in for an attacker is particularly worrying as we need one nearly as much as we do fullbacks in my opinion.
Mourinho stating that he wont be in for an attacker is particularly worrying as we need one nearly as much as we do fullbacks in my opinion.
Bailly is one of the best in the league but it’s unfortunate he’s injured as often as he is to not be able to consistently showcase it.
Lindelof just hasn’t been given the playing time. Too early to tell if he’s a flop or if he just hasn’t been given an opportunity yet.
I agree, our issue is we don't score anywhere near enough. Unless there is some amazing Rio/Vidic-esque CB out there for us to buy, we shouldn't really need another one.
LB - Sandro
RB - Meunier
CB - Toby A (will need to learn how to spell his surname).
CM - SMS (another name to learn).
CM - Fred
RW - Bale
That’s my choice for each position, though I really don’t think we’ll be getting 6 players. Think we’ll get 4 (RB/LB/CB and CM).
RB - Meunier
CB - Toby A (will need to learn how to spell his surname).
CM - SMS (another name to learn).
CM - Fred
RW - Bale
That’s my choice for each position, though I really don’t think we’ll be getting 6 players. Think we’ll get 4 (RB/LB/CB and CM).
I dont get why so many keep saying Lindelof as a signing was always going to take time to settle in a new country and it could be a couple of years until he is ready.....why? He isnt a youth player, he is an international for Sweden, he isnt from outer Mongolia and he was playing for a pretty big European side before joining us, dont see this writeen about other centre back signings...for example Bailly for us we didnt write this about and he probably has more barriers culturally to contend with.
I do agree with you too early to judge Lindelof tough, yet I dont see anything about him that promises anything more than average which really wasnt what we needed last summer and isnt this. I also agree on Bailly, he is rash and looks like msitakes in him, but talent wise he DOES look like he has the make up to be a top centre back.
Bailly is a more physical CB compared to Lindelof. Lindelof has to figure out how best to impose himself especially against forwards who are quicker and stronger. This is a level up from the Portuguese league.
We're not signing six players.
Sales:
Martial, Smalling, Darmian, Mata, Rojo, Shaw, Fellaini, Blind, Jones, Januzaj.
Black in squad: Fosu-Mensah, A.Pereira
LB: Alex Sandro(50)
RB: João Cancelo(35)
CM: Kovacic, Vidal, (60+15)
W: Dybala, Mahrez (120+65)
CB: David Luiz, João Miranda(25+ Free)
Total: 270
De Gea
Cancelo Miranda Bailly/Luiz Alex Sandro
Matic
Vidal/Kovacic Pogba
Dybala Mahrez
Lukaku
Subs: Lindelof, Valencia, Luiz/Bailly, Kovacic/Vidal, Rashford, Sanchez , Romero
Martial, Smalling, Darmian, Mata, Rojo, Shaw, Fellaini, Blind, Jones, Januzaj.
Black in squad: Fosu-Mensah, A.Pereira
LB: Alex Sandro(50)
RB: João Cancelo(35)
CM: Kovacic, Vidal, (60+15)
W: Dybala, Mahrez (120+65)
CB: David Luiz, João Miranda(25+ Free)
Total: 270
De Gea
Cancelo Miranda Bailly/Luiz Alex Sandro
Matic
Vidal/Kovacic Pogba
Dybala Mahrez
Lukaku
Subs: Lindelof, Valencia, Luiz/Bailly, Kovacic/Vidal, Rashford, Sanchez , Romero
Disastrous if true, even if we sign six great players and evolve a good system in summer it’s highky unlikely they would gel enough to win the league,
We need 2-3 max while focusing on our system more than anything
We need 2-3 max while focusing on our system more than anything
I think it's 2-3 starters and probably 2-3 squad guys (since some of our squad guys are leaving). I wouldn't worry about the starting 11 changing drastically.
We’re looking at 3 or 4 signings to come in as starters.
> CM to play with Pogba and Matic
> LB which we don’t have
> RW which we don’t have
> Possibly a RB/CB to start.
...the 2nd CM will be a squad/rotational player and an RB/CB will be as well. Realistically, at least half of our signings or more have to be starters looking at the mediocre starters we have currently. Especially if you want to compete for the league.
It's quite clear Jose has started falling out with some of his players and he needs to change the squad considerably, the only way the board will sanction 6 new players is if at least 7 or 8 of 2017-18 Squad are moved on and some fringe players are also sold to release extra funds towards the players wage budget. Looking at this realistically, list to be sold or released are as follows;
Main Squad
1. M Carrick - Retired No Fee
2. Zlatan - Released on a Free
3. Feillani - Released on a Free
4. M Darmian - 17.5M
5. D Blind - 15M
6. A Martial - 55M
7. L Shaw - 22.5M
8. M Rojo - 25M
Fringe
1. S Johnstone - 6M
2. A Pereira - 14M
3. J Wilson - 5M
This would generate sales of 160 million amortized over 4 years but more importantly clear 950k to 1 Million weekly off the players wage budget! Jose may also, if a good offer was received allow Mata or Herrera to leave as well clearing even more funds but I think they will both be kept to keep D De Gea Happy!
That probably gives us a final budget of £300 million pounds with a Marquee special player being the club's priority at right wing, Neymar will not happen. The two full backs are obvious calls and improving the spine with 1 Elite CB, 1 Elite Experienced CM and 1 rising star as a BTB CM to complete the overhaul. I think we have 3 or 4 options for each position with the first and preferred listed left to right;
Right Wing/Marquee - Dybala, Griezmann, Bale 120 to 80M
Left Wing Back - Sandro, Ghoulam, Rose, 55 to 40M
Right Wing Back - Fabinho, Meunier, C Soares 45M to 20M
Centre Midfield - T Kross, Fred, S Kheidra 80M to 30M
Box To Box CM - Sergej Milinokovic Savic, M Veratti, J Rodriguez 80M to 45M
Elite CB - S Umtitti, R Varanne, J Boatang, T Auderweild - 60M to 45M
we may get our first choice in one position but our 3rd or 4th in others but no way will we sign 6 without a significant clear out first.
Main Squad
1. M Carrick - Retired No Fee
2. Zlatan - Released on a Free
3. Feillani - Released on a Free
4. M Darmian - 17.5M
5. D Blind - 15M
6. A Martial - 55M
7. L Shaw - 22.5M
8. M Rojo - 25M
Fringe
1. S Johnstone - 6M
2. A Pereira - 14M
3. J Wilson - 5M
This would generate sales of 160 million amortized over 4 years but more importantly clear 950k to 1 Million weekly off the players wage budget! Jose may also, if a good offer was received allow Mata or Herrera to leave as well clearing even more funds but I think they will both be kept to keep D De Gea Happy!
That probably gives us a final budget of £300 million pounds with a Marquee special player being the club's priority at right wing, Neymar will not happen. The two full backs are obvious calls and improving the spine with 1 Elite CB, 1 Elite Experienced CM and 1 rising star as a BTB CM to complete the overhaul. I think we have 3 or 4 options for each position with the first and preferred listed left to right;
Right Wing/Marquee - Dybala, Griezmann, Bale 120 to 80M
Left Wing Back - Sandro, Ghoulam, Rose, 55 to 40M
Right Wing Back - Fabinho, Meunier, C Soares 45M to 20M
Centre Midfield - T Kross, Fred, S Kheidra 80M to 30M
Box To Box CM - Sergej Milinokovic Savic, M Veratti, J Rodriguez 80M to 45M
Elite CB - S Umtitti, R Varanne, J Boatang, T Auderweild - 60M to 45M
we may get our first choice in one position but our 3rd or 4th in others but no way will we sign 6 without a significant clear out first.
good, cheers!
50 million for 17yo championship player who plays left wing a position that we all ready have more than enough players to cover ??? Surely you would use that money to sign a genuine star.
Spot on
Alex Sandro - 50 million
Alderweireld - 50 million
SMS - 80 million
Willian - 45 million
225 million
Martial - 60 million
Darmian - 15 million
Blind - 10 million
85 million
That would be enough to finance the top 4. Other signings will depend on players like Mata, Herrera and a CB leaving I guess. RB will probably be a cheaper option to rotate with Valencia and the other CM will probaly be around the 40 million mark. Unless we sign someone like Fabinho who we try to use in both positions.
Alderweireld - 50 million
SMS - 80 million
Willian - 45 million
225 million
Martial - 60 million
Darmian - 15 million
Blind - 10 million
85 million
That would be enough to finance the top 4. Other signings will depend on players like Mata, Herrera and a CB leaving I guess. RB will probably be a cheaper option to rotate with Valencia and the other CM will probaly be around the 40 million mark. Unless we sign someone like Fabinho who we try to use in both positions.
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It's highly unlikely that this squad, under this manager, will win the league without major changes though.
Bringing in two or three isn't enough when we have weaknesses all over the place. Take a look at some of the dross that start regularly for us like.
So after spending some 250M in two seasons, we still need to sign half of the team! and god only knows how much we need to spend to get 6 new players.
I am not against bringing 6 new players, but Jose should bring in some cheap players (relatively) and have plan Bs. Jose need to complete this squad one way or another, not keep on crying about 1 magic player who the club could not sign and could have magically solved all our problems.
I also think a signing which most are underrating here is #10. We need a #10 to bring in top class creativity.
I am not against bringing 6 new players, but Jose should bring in some cheap players (relatively) and have plan Bs. Jose need to complete this squad one way or another, not keep on crying about 1 magic player who the club could not sign and could have magically solved all our problems.
I also think a signing which most are underrating here is #10. We need a #10 to bring in top class creativity.
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I disagree.
I get the whole stick to your system thing but the system is only as good as the players you have. We lack quality players and only have a couple of players who are exceptional and slated as for sure starters. System can’t turn coal into gold which is the majority of the squad players. We are relying on average/below average players to be starters for us. City have those types of guys as secondary subs. We need to close that gap in quality as the first step. There was only and will ever be one SAF and we can’t assume every manager we get will be able to extract every last ounce out of ordinary players and overachieve with them. It’s just not sustainable.
As for the 6 players, if they are of quality and quick enough to get a hold of the system, I don’t see why it won’t work. City did it and walked the league. They bought (notables) Laporte, Mendy, Walker, Silva, Ederson, Danilo, Luiz all this season - that’s 7 regularly/often relied on squad players.
..idk, I guess I’m against the notion we have players capable of working with and extracting more from. A select few sure but not enough to only sign 2-3 players and expect to compete with City. Just my $0.02
Tells you a lot about the state of the squad 2 years ago.
Tells even more about if the signings we are making are right. 2 CBs in 2 seasons, and we are going for 3rd.
Maybe that says something about Blind, Rojo, Jones and Smalling as well.
Has any major club signed 6 first team players in a single window? Seems crazy.
Can't help but feel if you need to sign more than half a team to fit your system, maybe you should be looking at the system, not the players.
Can't help but feel if you need to sign more than half a team to fit your system, maybe you should be looking at the system, not the players.
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This. Mourinho inherited De Gea who’s the only exceptional everyday player we have.
José’s signings have been:
Pogba - starter
Matic - starter
Bailly - starter but injured
Lukaku - starter
Zlatan - on a free for 1 year past his prime
Mkhi - didn’t work out but swapped for Alexis
Lindelof - undetermined as he doesn’t play and young
...doesn’t matter how much we spent. Everyone knows the market is inflated when it comes to United signing players and those are all the players Mourinho has brought. None have been flops. You could mention Lindelof but it’s too early to come to any sort of definitive decision. Mkhi was meh but turned him into Alexis by extension.
There has not been a single miss and those players excluding Lindelof are all starters. Shows how crap the squad was he inherited that even after his signings being starters there’s still numerous other positions in need of locking down.
Only so much you can do with this defence and no real wingers or quality width. The current system has got us to second, obviously it's not enough to beat this City team. We all know the individuals in our defence do not match up with the best, we all know we have no wingers, we all know we need better width. The third midfielder needs to be of better quality. Look at City with Silva and de Bruyne for example.
Our priority is at LB,CB and CM that is 3 position which need replacement and we would get those as we might go with Sandro and SMS but not sure on who would be targeted for CB position.Next comes the right back,Jose might stay with Valencia for now and if board supports him after those three major signings then he would go with new RB.
RW would be our least priority and this also depends on what system he’s going to deploy next season with leads us to Max of 5 signings.
As per selling is concern I think Fellaini is gone,Martial might be( but I don’t want us to sell him though he would earn higher value in market)One of Jones or Smalling.Blind and Darmian are the other two who would be gone as well.
RW would be our least priority and this also depends on what system he’s going to deploy next season with leads us to Max of 5 signings.
As per selling is concern I think Fellaini is gone,Martial might be( but I don’t want us to sell him though he would earn higher value in market)One of Jones or Smalling.Blind and Darmian are the other two who would be gone as well.
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CB S.Umtiti 52m(release clause)
LB A.Sandro 55m
RB J.Cancelo 35m
CM Fred 45m
CM L.Pellegrini 28m(release clause)
RW Malcom 40m
CM SMS 75m(if Pogba leave MU)
Out
Smalling 25m
Darmian 15m
Blind 7~8m
Shaw 25m
Martial 50m
Carrick Retire
Fellaini Free
CB S.Umtiti 52m(release clause)
LB A.Sandro 55m
RB J.Cancelo 35m
CM Fred 45m
CM L.Pellegrini 28m(release clause)
RW Malcom 40m
CM SMS 75m(if Pogba leave MU)
Out
Smalling 25m
Darmian 15m
Blind 7~8m
Shaw 25m
Martial 50m
Carrick Retire
Fellaini Free
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I think people will be shocked at how little we get for Martial. Yes the market has gone crazy but there’s several things working against us.
1. His contract is running down and we’re being put in an Arsenal situation.
2. The perception is he wants out which means clubs will offer less
3. There’s no shortage of attacking players to buy who are on or on a similar level of talent to what Martial displayed this season. We demand 50 million and some club will laugh and buy someone else.
Last thing I want is for him to leave, but I’ve resigned myself to it. I see people planning their budgets and then counting on 60 million for Martial. No chance we get anywhere near that.
1. His contract is running down and we’re being put in an Arsenal situation.
2. The perception is he wants out which means clubs will offer less
3. There’s no shortage of attacking players to buy who are on or on a similar level of talent to what Martial displayed this season. We demand 50 million and some club will laugh and buy someone else.
Last thing I want is for him to leave, but I’ve resigned myself to it. I see people planning their budgets and then counting on 60 million for Martial. No chance we get anywhere near that.
We paid 50 million for him and he has 2 years on his contract.
I thought it was 36. Be that as it may, I still stand by that no club is going to pay anywhere near 50+ million for him which seems to be the consensus amount as to what we’ll get for him.
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Personally think the bolded bit is wrong way round. Your players are only as good as the system they are being used in.
Also with regards to City. Laporte joined in January, Mendy missed the entire season basically, Silva was a squad player for most of the season. Ederson is a keeper so it's easier to Gel and Danilo is also a squad player. They made a lot of signings but of those, only Walker was introduced as a first team outfield player.
Not so sure, since Smalling has been mainstay in our defence ahead of 30M Bailly and 40M Lindelof.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. You need both a good system and good players to win.
We won the treble because we had SAF on the bench and the likes of Keane, Scholes and co on the pitch. Phil (the english darmian) nearly costed us the FA cup by gifting Arsenal a penalty. Schmeichel (WC) and Giggs (WC) turned a tragedy in a goal. The absence of Scholes and Keane nearly costed us the CL final
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I think you’ll be surprised. Martial will easily recoup £50m+ imo. I see £60m. Anything north of that would be unlikely and a bonus. The thing is he’s very young and has the tools but is yet to figure it out and put it altogether.
There will be teams out there drooling to get their hands on him thinking they can do it in which case it’s a worthwhile buy for them. I for the life of me can’t see Tony fetching us less than £50m in any scenario.
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