Maguire looked better alongside him
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It was like the De Gea/Onana thing.. selling him wasnt the worst decision at the time.. but we replaced him with some truly awful players..
I am happy his is back.. very happy he is doing well. Not going to be a starter, but glad to have him around.
I am happy his is back.. very happy he is doing well. Not going to be a starter, but glad to have him around.
Evans, Welbeck, Nani, Raphael. They could have helped us for many years.
Good performance. His experience was a huge asset today
For his age, he's doing good but overall okay. His experience is really showing.
Other than welbeck I agree with this.
Welbeck and Rafael? Really?
And I think Evans needed to move on to mature as a player. He never looked comfortable with being the veteran defender who was expected to lead the defense. Though given the quality of defenders we've been buying since, yeah, we might as well have kept him.
I was never a big fan, and until Maguire's horror season last year, i don't think I've witnessed a worse United defender's season than Evans' last one for us.
But as long as he's just a squad player here and there it's sort of nice to have him back.
All of them had fairly miserable or average spells when we sold them. It felt time.
Every person has up & down during their career and family life. You are saying anyone has a few bad games or a bad spell should be sold? It’s FM childish mindset. Pure ridiculous!
In fact, the reason they were sold is that LVG thought either they were not good or they were not suited to his football philosophy. It has nothing to do about they had bad spells or not. It’s just a damage LVG’s judgement and decision making inflicted on the squad which was left to Jose to rectify by Jose’ own judgement and decision making. Then, it was rinsed and repeated from Jose to Ole and now to ETH. Cleaning the deck, what the hell it actually achieved?
Not sure if English is your 2nd language, so i'll give you some allowance for your really patronising ridiculous tone here.
Their replacements were worse.
Obviously, but that's with the gift of hindsight, and only really applies to Nani and Evans. Welbeck and Rafael might have been better than their replacements (though that arguable), but both also have woeful injury records.
Weklbeck was replaced by Falcao (sure he never missed a game) and Rafael replaced by Darmian (who might as well have been injured every game), nothing arguable about it mate.
Both were atrocious for United.
Calm and making defenders better. Should be first choice.
I have to admit that so far I seem to have been wrong about him. The pre-season games and his cameo against Arsenal were very worrying when he looked to be completely off the pace.
No, he wasn't. Falcao was signed a whole year later. Welbeck was considered expendable enough that he was sold on deadline day, without replacement. He saw himself as a striker, and LvG disagreed. That disagreement is what lead to him opting to leave. Could he have been a decent option to have out wide? Sure, but he didn't want to stay and be a decent option to have out wide, he wanted to go elsewhere and be a striker.
Darmian was bang average, but he was at least available most of the time. Rafael wasn't, and was also in decline. At age 25. Tony V had basically already replaced him as starting RB at that point. Darmian essentially replaced Rafael as back-up RB, even if that wasn't the intention originally.
Selling him was an absolute braindead decision, when you consider what pile of garbage we spent our money on afterwards. Good game again today. He's better than Lindelof even at this age.
On a small sample size, he's probably been our best CB this season (not a high bar I know). Can't beleive we sold him, and I wasn't happy about it at the time. He should start for us moving forwards, until he shouldn't.
They used to play at Leicester together and had a very solid partnership. I remember quiete a few Leicester fans were telling me at the time that we are getting the worse of their 2 CBs. I thought they were just bitter cnuts, but now I can see what they meant.
Hopefully he can be our Thiago Silva. But I wouldn't play him every game. Just have him play no more than once a week, otherwise we are going to run him into the ground.
I remember SAF in the later years he never played Ferdinand more than once a week and would have him rotate with Evans/Jones at the time.
Welbeck was sold the same day we signed Falcao on loan
Strange to look back now, we should never have sold Welbeck and Evans, amongst some others. We’ve really made some bizarre decisions over the past few years, Welbeck would be a better option than Martial and people are (rightly) saying Evans form has been better than any of our other CBs. Makes you realise how special SAF was.
He's a really solid defender, even at 35. Always has been pretty much and got better as his career went on.
Zaha says hi. He always was and still is a menace to play against.
As 5th choice CB goes he's been great
Yeah, you’re right that it’s not my native language. That’s the reason I misread what you meant after a quick read.
but still,
Rewrite the history to prove your opinion that they are garbage players?
Stating the reason for his departure to a direct rival, Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal said "Welbeck doesn't have the record of Robin van Persie or Wayne Rooney. We let him go because of Falcao, but also to allow the youngsters to fit in. That is the policy. That is why I am here."
Rafael was ignored from the start. It’s apparent that LVG had formed opinion on him during the game between Bayern Munich and us. They eliminated us by the help from continental referees as it had been so often the case.
they are good players but LVG thought them not fitting to his philosophy. It’s as simple as that. LVG is an appointment we all regard it as failure.
Put the same thing in the Maguire thread, but I really think he's earned a starting spot for now - Martinez is injured, Lindelof has been a disaster recently, and Varane has been well below his usual standards too. Evans operated with such calmness in an otherwise frantic environment.
You're right, I was looking at the transfer tables wrong. Still, don't really see how Falcao was supposed to be a Welbeck replacement, given that he was explicitly a striker. Welbeck left because LvG was reluctant to play him there, and preferred him on the wing.
Agreed, Welbeck was actually even worse after leaving United, his highest ever league tally since leaving us was 6
his highest for us was 9.Surprised that he still seems fairly quick.
At this rate i wouldn’t mind keeping him as a squad option for another year.
At this rate i wouldn’t mind keeping him as a squad option for another year.
Solid and very assured today, even made The Fridge play well.
More of this please.
More of this please.
He is as good as Varanne.
Rafael absolutely. Selling him for peanuts (£2.5m FFS) and replacing him with fecking Darmian was criminal. That dinosaur Van Gaal did so much damage in just two years. He deserved to be sacked in the undignified manner he was and it makes me happy that he's still seething about it to this day.
The main question with him is can he stay fit. Rather him and Maguire than any other partnership if so.
Selling Welbeck was a mistake is a great joke.
Evans would have been a good back up than any of the tripe signed after he leaving.
Evans would have been a good back up than any of the tripe signed after he leaving.
Yep, you could reverse all of LVGs transfers and we'd be in better shape. Plus he vetoed signing Kroos.
Nah, I just looked at the transfer tables wrong and confused myself about when we signed Falcao.
Welbeck went to the only other big club that's managed to be as bad as us, and never managed to establish himself as anything more than a squad player. I like the guy, but I fail to see how keeping him would have helped us in any way.
Rafael wasn't ignored from the start, he was injured from the start. The moment he came back, he started six on the trot. Then he got injured again, and never really managed to fight his way back. Maybe that was LvG just being his weird, stubborn old self, but given Rafael's career and injuries since, it's hard to argue that letting him go was much of a mistake. At age 25 his best years were already behind him.
I loved Rafael, Evans and Nani. But hey - at least his signings in their positions (Darmian, Rojo, Depay) were worthy replacements.
Not to mention he played Rooney as a DM, with Herrera sat on the bench, and played Di Maria as a lone striker. Then later complained that United didn't sign any of his transfer targets. Absolute clown. I felt no sympathy for him when he got sacked after lifting the FA Cup. He set the club back years.
absolutely, another one.
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