Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances

I don't think Smalling has been brilliant, he has been promising in the games he has stepped into. Against Spurs Rio was exposed because Evans and in particular Rafael made poor decisions in the initial movements leading up to the second and third goals. It could have been Evans who was exposed to Bale and then Defoe....the outcome would still be the same.

When you say used wisely do you mean in the big games? Champions League perhaps?

Would it? I was at that game, and it looked like Rio was well off the pace. Perhaps you're right though.

I'd just like to see Smalling get his chances beside Vidic, as I think that they would also work together very well. Smalling may not have been brilliant, but he's gone beyond the promising stage for me. He's a very composed and reliable young defender.
 
Would it? I was at that game, and it looked like Rio was well off the pace. Perhaps you're right though.

I'd just like to see Smalling get his chances beside Vidic, as I think that they would also work together very well. Smalling may not have been brilliant, but he's gone beyond the promising stage for me. He's a very composed and reliable young defender.

If Ferdinand had decided to follow Defoes' run and left Evans exposed to Bale, then yes the outcome would be the same. Bale's acceleration and pace is too great. For the third Ferdinand had to push Defoe out wide as one-on-one he exposes himself even more. He got turned but then Evans turns like a barge so my guess is it would still be the same. It's all conjecture though truth is no-one knows.

I do rate Smalling don't get me wrong, and if he had a run in the side I would be very pleased as his improvement will become more rapid....I mean look at the difference in Evans after a year in the side. When I said promising I meant in terms of him being out for so long then stepping back in pretty comfortably. Probably the wrong choice of word as you say...he is beyond promising now....he is becoming a seasoned player.
 
Bit of a mixed bag from him today but I loved his commitment going for that ball when Simpson caught him.
 
How on earth have him and Patrice scored 8 goals this season?

:lol:
 
I remain unconvinced by Evans.

I don't care how well he passes or how many goals he manages to claim. His job is to be a defender, and it seems he is error prone in a way that puts his club in difficult positions.

Until he removes the errors from his game, he won't be the future for the club at CB in my opinion. When Vidic is ready, I think it will be Evans who makes way.
 
I love Jonny, but he's got to cut out the bonehead own goals and giveaways.

That's unfair. It was very slippery today with the rain pouring down. He's been amazing this season, even coming up with goals at crucial times.
 
His own goal was unlucky. He was being held by Cisse, if he doesnt go for the ball, Ciise taps in. It would then be given offside (but if it wasnt) people would complain why didnt he go for the ball. Thought he was our best defender today. Not saying much of course.

Hes so deadly in the oppositions box. It helps when we have somebody like RVP who can deliver now though.
 
Thought he was awful today really. Our defence was all over the place though.
 
That's unfair. It was very slippery today with the rain pouring down. He's been amazing this season, even coming up with goals at crucial times.

None of our defenders have been amazing this season, and that does not look like changing any time soon. His goals tally has been impressive so far though.
 
I thought he could have done better for the own goal, but aside from that he tried the best he could to keep together a defence with an AWOL Evra at one side and a careless Rio at the other side, while CB Chris Smalling obviously struggled when asked to play RB.
 
Again it coincides with Rio not doing much defensive work and Evans trying to be the one to attack everything, but it was another game where he was all over the place. The own goal was down to poor positioning. A good position would have been at the six yard box, it usually is when the ball is being played in. Because he didnt make it there in time he scuffed the ball into his own net.
 
Makes too many mistakes at the back still. Its glossed over by the fact that he has scored for us alot this season, but I struggle to think of a comfortable defensive performance with him in the back four. I just hope we go back to Vidic and Rio on Saturday.
 
Strangely there is only 1 game recently I remember thinking - ok Evan's has had bit of a stinker (and for life of me can't remember which) but, otherwise been quite happy with his performances.

When I hear commentators like that fecking Wynalda talking about Evans - it just makes me think that at some point they made up their mind that Evans is a liability and after that regardless of playing consistently well for most of the season, will always come back to he is a liability waiting to happen. Get the same feeling on here often times.
 
He didn't have too good a game today, but he isn't as bad as the little spell last year he had with a mistake a game culminating in that horrendous error v City at home.

I remember Fergie fielding him straight after his ban, and that restored his confidence. Would have been easy to break him after that.
 
To be fair, it's difficult to be hailed as a top class defender when your team ships 3 or 4 goals every other game.

And to be fair to Evans, I'd say he's been one of our "best" defenders, in the sense that he's not actually made that many mistakes. Rio's been far worse in my book.
 
He was exposed for not being goal side for their scond goal today. This was obvious but there are so many other mistakes that get over looked. Stop playing Evans and our defensive issues go away. There's always atleast one goal in Evans.
 
To be fair, it's difficult to be hailed as a top class defender when your team ships 3 or 4 goals every other game.

And to be fair to Evans, I'd say he's been one of our "best" defenders, in the sense that he's not actually made that many mistakes. Rio's been far worse in my book.

I was actually thinking of starting a 'Is Rio Finished' thread earlier, you just don't know what you are going to get with him anymore. That said, I think that Evans is a little overrated on here too, he makes too many mistakes big and small. We haven't looked solid with that partnership all season. I think that Smalling deserves a run at CB to prove himself.
 
He's carrying on as he always has. Solid enough but not spectacular, and there's usually one horrendous mistake in him per game.
 
I was promoted to RedCafe's main forum 3 years ago after saying Evans only gets in the side because he is homegrown. A quick look at this thread tells me that it remains to be shown, more than 150 weeks later, whether my statement was correct or not. And this in itself provides part of the answer.

I've nothing against the lad, I find it quite sexy when he roams forward like the French troops in the 1805 Battle of Austerlitz, but it's plain clear that he is not good enough at the back, not aggressive enough, not lucid enough in terms of anticipation to become the CB some thought he might turn out to be.

This doesn't mean he is a bad player, just that he failed to grow into the mould that some cast for him after his first few outings. In the end he will be a decent player for a decent side, a bit like Santon for Newcastle today, who if memory serves me right sprung to the fore in the same UCL game (United v Inter) years ago.

Personally, the one thing which made me refuse to grant the benefit of doubt to Evans while he came through is his silly petulance at shouting and directing his team-mates when he himself does not have the motor to back it up. The way he got annoyed at De Gea today when he had to punch away a ball into corner made me furious, you just don't behave like that with a team-mate (although it was just frustration at the way the game went).
 
He was better than Ferdinand today. I felt most of his mistakes were actually due to, as with Carrick, his partner not doing his job at all. I mean in the first half Rio must of given the ball away about 6-7 times which usually led to our defense being under pressure.

I like how if he can't see an option to pass he will just run through whatever gap is there so he doesn't have to just punt it up the field over and over.
 
He was exposed for not being goal side for their scond goal today. This was obvious but there are so many other mistakes that get over looked. Stop playing Evans and our defensive issues go away. There's always atleast one goal in Evans.

This is bollocks. We've not excactly been rock solid when Evans hasn't played this season either, and the problems are far more complicated. Also, Evans for my money has been probably our best defender bar Rafael this season(and Smalling, but Smalling's hardly played so the comparison's unfair). It's silly to blame all the problems on him.

I was actually thinking of starting a 'Is Rio Finished' thread earlier, you just don't know what you are going to get with him anymore. That said, I think that Evans is a little overrated on here too, he makes too many mistakes big and small. We haven't looked solid with that partnership all season. I think that Smalling deserves a run at CB to prove himself.

I've said it before, until such time that Vidic returns to the fore, I would prefer Evans/Smalling as the CB combo. I think that would do nicely.

He's carrying on as he always has. Solid enough but not spectacular, and there's usually one horrendous mistake in him per game.

This is a myth. In fact, he was almost flawless for the second part of last season and has kept mistakes to a minimum in this season. How many "horrendous mistakes" have you seen him do this season?

I was promoted to RedCafe's main forum 3 years ago after saying Evans only gets in the side because he is homegrown. A quick look at this thread tells me that it remains to be shown, more than 150 weeks later, whether my statement was correct or not. And this in itself provides part of the answer.

I've nothing against the lad, I find it quite sexy when he roams forward like the French troops in the 1805 Battle of Austerlitz, but it's plain clear that he is not good enough at the back, not aggressive enough, not lucid enough in terms of anticipation to become the CB some thought he might turn out to be.

This doesn't mean he is a bad player, just that he failed to grow into the mould that some cast for him after his first few outings. In the end he will be a decent player for a decent side, a bit like Santon for Newcastle today, who if memory serves me right sprung to the fore in the same UCL game (United v Inter) years ago.

Personally, the one thing which made me refuse to grant the benefit of doubt to Evans while he came through is his silly petulance at shouting and directing his team-mates when he himself does not have the motor to back it up. The way he got annoyed at De Gea today when he had to punch away a ball into corner made me furious, you just don't behave like that with a team-mate (although it was just frustration at the way the game went).

I think this is slightly downplaying his talents. Evans is a very talented CB that still has things to learn. And the bit about his tendency to yell at his partners - well someone's got to give a bollocking every now and then. I don't see Rio, the senior CB, being up for that much these days. I think the fact that he looks to take control and responsibility in a fragile backline is a good thing, if anything we need more vocal leaders like him.
 
Evans was good today, own goal was just unlucky on his part but is should never have stood. He pushed forward with the ball excellently, even did some nice footwork to create some space in tight areas which prob went a little unnoticed and he was more forceful in defence. Really think if he keeps this up he can make it so that its who partners him in defence, certainly until vidic finds his old form.
 
Meh, we've conceded almost 30 goals this season in the league. Evans has played the majority of games. I don't really think we can say he has been impressive on the basis of that. I think he's had some good games but he's had some shockers as well. Obviously it's not just the defence who's to blame after every goal but we shouldn't be conceding as many as we have been and so Evans, Ferdinand and Evra have not been good enough defensively. Hopefully Vidic can keep things solid now he's back.
 
Yeah but how many goals have been due to individual error? Quite a lot I'd wager and Evans hasn't been responsible for all of them. Also weve suffered due to constant changes in defence and a general weakness in the team in the way we set ip. No doubt he has areas of his game to improve particularly his aerial dominance but he also has a lot of good things going for him.
 
Yeah but how many goals have been due to individual error? Quite a lot I'd wager and Evans hasn't been responsible for all of them. Also weve suffered due to constant changes in defence and a general weakness in the team in the way we set ip. No doubt he has areas of his game to improve particularly his aerial dominance but he also has a lot of good things going for him.

19 games have passed now. Individual errors or not that's a long enough time to realise whatever we are doing defending wise isn't working. I don't know why we have conceded so many but I cannot see how we can claim Evans has had a good season when he and Ferdinand are primarily responsible for keeping the ball out of the net. If we stick Ferdinand and Vidic at their prime in their place we would have conceded half as many.
 
I think Evans has been our best defender this season, but I think he's been ropey the last three games.

I still have this funny suspicion it's something to do with competition from Smalling. His main loss of form for us took place just after we signed Smalling, and now he's back and Jonny's gone from looking very composed and confident all season to looking tentative and making errors.
 
I think Evans has been our best defender this season, but I think he's been ropey the last three games.

I still have this funny suspicion it's something to do with competition from Smalling. His main loss of form for us took place just after we signed Smalling, and now he's back and Jonny's gone from looking very composed and confident all season to looking tentative and making errors.

If he cant handle competition he is at the wrong club.

I just think its simpler then that tho, hes a young defender learning his trade and mistakes will be made, as he becomes more experienced hes game will improve. great prospect, really impressing me.
 
But not all the goals are directly their fault, no doubt neither have been great or could t have done better but the defending issues have been an alrounder. Take the first goal today, not much Evans or rio could do, mistakes by Hernandez, carrick and de gea. Second shouldn't have stood and third was good play by toon. We've seen weakness at set pieces where it's not always the cb loosing his man. Even the reading game we conceded so many goals but the main problem was letting reason have free reign.

Also it's not like rio has been at his best and despite his experience you feel between him and evra they could have directed thinks defensively better. Agree totally that a peak rio and vidic would have conceded less but so would either of them in their peak with Evans. Tbh end of the day I think for his age he's looking good, I don't remember either of them being considerably better at comparable ages and also they had the benefit of a much more settled defence and goalie during their best years.
 
Wait... someone is blaming Evans for todays goals?

Evans made 1 or 2 mistakes today, but I don't think any them were for the goals.
 
But not all the goals are directly their fault, no doubt neither have been great or could t have done better but the defending issues have been an alrounder. Take the first goal today, not much Evans or rio could do, mistakes by Hernandez, carrick and de gea. Second shouldn't have stood and third was good play by toon. We've seen weakness at set pieces where it's not always the cb loosing his man. Even the reading game we conceded so many goals but the main problem was letting reason have free reign.

Also it's not like rio has been at his best and despite his experience you feel between him and evra they could have directed thinks defensively better. Agree totally that a peak rio and vidic would have conceded less but so would either of them in their peak with Evans. Tbh end of the day I think for his age he's looking good, I don't remember either of them being considerably better at comparable ages and also they had the benefit of a much more settled defence and goalie during their best years.

Yeah I think our letting goals in has been at least as much to do with midfield as the defence.