Joe Hart being unceremoniously f××ked off by Citeh

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There is not really a number of homegrown players that are required - they cannot have more than 17 overseas players in their 25 man squad. There was a Chelsea squad a few years back that only had 5 / 6 homegrown players and it meant that there was only 22 / 23 players in their squad.
Squad players are the ones not under 21, so some of City's players count that way.
They fa are trying to make it 12 homegrown though and 3 years in UK before 18th birthday (so buying kids from Europe at 16 won't qualify them as homegrown... though perhaps Brexit will achieve that doesn't them anyway)
So binning a good English player is a risk... but as it's peps philosophy (rather than lvg's) it will be hailed as a masterstroke
 
TBF He's a really decent keeper, and although just short of the elite class, he's at least had the balls to believe he belongs, when so many other keepers fail to cope with the mental side of the game needed at the top level.
 
Joe is a fantastic shot stopper but he has weaknesses and they are glaring, his bottom left is a spot he struggles to get down to and is constantly beat at when he shouldn't be.

His mind, I hate to say it but he has that English mentality and when left to think he panics, his reactions and instinct saves are from the top drawer though. He has nothing with his feet, absolutely zero but all english keepers have this problem and its the way they were coached. Look how bad Caballero's distribution is and he is far better than Hart.

This is a hunch but I think he's a bit of a shit stirrer in the dressing room, the rumours of the player texting a journalist celebrating Mancini's sacking before the infamous FA Cup loss to Wigan are said to be him and the core of english players we had at the time who were unhappy. Imho Pep is targeting the big presence's in the dressing room who don't fit his mentality and he feels could be disruptive. His interview where he say's Joe can stay and improve or leave almost give off the impression imho he feels Joe doesn't want to learn so off with him. Hart, Nasri, Toure etc.. are all being pushed on for a reason by Pep, the same Pep who has said Delph, Navas etc.. all deserve game time because of how they work in training.
Maybe I'm just reading something thats not there but thats the vibe I get.

As to why people aren't calling it as bad as Mourinho's, I think its the fact Hart, Toure etc... all train with the first team where as Jose has stopped all Schweinsteigers involvement with the first team. Both manager are ruthless and have no room for sentiment, especially with the rebuilding job's both are undertaking.
 
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I generally agree but it is hard to see who he would go to that would be a great fit for both parties. Everton's the best fit for Hart but Stekelenberg is a good keeper and I suspect Koeman's a fan. Likewise for Liverpool and Karius. West Ham are the only big team with a need for an upgrade but there's no guarantee they'll even compete for the European places. Would Hart be ok with that? Not so sure. If he did then it'd be one of the best signings of the summer.

Adrian is not utter garbage. If West Ham wanted to spend 30 million to upgrade a position, GK would probably not be the first priority.
 
Adrian is not utter garbage. If West Ham wanted to spend 30 million to upgrade a position, GK would probably not be the first priority.

I think they'll sell him for not much more than £10m which is a no brainer given Hart's qualify. Adrian's very mediocre.
 
I think the general theme of this thread is because we're United fans and he plays for City. He's a very good goalkeeper. He's made a few mistakes in 10 fecking years, but he's also had several ridiculous one-man barricade performances.

Bravo may be a better #10 than him, but I'd be surprised if he was much better at keeping the ball out of the net, unless we're working on the premise that he himself will not make any mistakes during his City career.
Nah.... nothing to do with club (for example I think Aguerro is excellent, as was Kompany 2/3/4 years ago). Regardless of playing for a sh!te club, looking a kernob in the tunnel repeatedly and crap adverts, Hart simply isn't top class and hasn't been (for me) ever.
 
Stekelenburg has been good but I don't think it will stop Koeman form bringing Hart in and it will go some way to satisfying Everton fans desire for a big signing under the new owner. Think Hart will do well there, Koeman will have them organised at the back with the likes of Williams, Jagielka, possibly Kone and it will be a marked difference from Martinez.
 
Nah.... nothing to do with club (for example I think Aguerro is excellent, as was Kompany 2/3/4 years ago). Regardless of playing for a sh!te club, looking a kernob in the tunnel repeatedly and crap adverts, Hart simply isn't top class and hasn't been (for me) ever.

It would be ridiculous to claim Aguero and Kompany of then were anything other than excellent, but fair enough, perhaps you just don't rate Hart.
 
Honestly, I do not mind having Kompany in our squad.

Kompany was the one that made Hart look so good as far as I'm concerned. He was very good at first.
No coincidence that Hart has looked shite since Kompany's injury problems.
 
Actually... feck him. He's got enough money for the rest of his life already.
 
It is good that he is finally being told he is not good enough for a big club. City were largely ignoring the keeper position for some years and because of Hart being their English face and also the No 1 in NT, just hung on.
That being said, he is not so bad that he should be an understudy in some club. He should just be ready to play for a club with lesser profile.
 
Does Hart ever save anything on his left?

He's a fraud.
 
It would be ridiculous to claim Aguero and Kompany of then were anything other than excellent, but fair enough, perhaps you just don't rate Hart.
Yes, just making the point that I (and probably most Caf posters) will recognise ability regardless of club..... but Hart being a City player isn't influencing my opinion of him. An "ok" goalie that's been helped by playing in a very good team (so sheltered) and the English media being their usual biased selves.

Shame he didn't stay....
 
Yes, just making the point that I (and probably most Caf posters) will recognise ability regardless of club..... but Hart being a City player isn't influencing my opinion of him. An "ok" goalie that's been helped by playing in a very good team (so sheltered) and the English media being their usual biased selves.

Shame he didn't stay....

Yea, I get your point. I just meant the examples you picked go without saying, and you simply wouldn't be able to credibly argue otherwise. Even a bitter and biased Madrid fan would look silly saying Messi was average, for instance.

Anyway, I think Hart is a bit better than okay. Yes, he's been at a good team, but so are all the top keepers generally speaking. Some of his recent Champions League performances in big games were top draw. He had a game at the Etihad against Dortmund a few years back where he somehow managed to get them a draw. It was ridiculous.

I think if he were better with his feet, Guardiola probably wouldn't have a problem with him.
 
Hart is a keeper who never convinced me that he was anywhere near as good as the hype that surrounded him. He never appeared to be dominant or particularly good at organising a defence, was a decent shot stopper but no better than many others and always seemed to have a mistake in him.

He has been found out over the last year or two and has rightly been moved on by Pep because he is nowhere near the level to be at a top team and if Man City are to become a top team, Hart needs to go.
 
I hope he has a miserable career. He has been the face of the rise of the berts alongside Kompany (who i actually like) but has always been more arrogant.
 
Hart is a keeper who never convinced me that he was anywhere near as good as the hype that surrounded him. He never appeared to be dominant or particularly good at organising a defence, was a decent shot stopper but no better than many others and always seemed to have a mistake in him.

He has been found out over the last year or two and has rightly been moved on by Pep because he is nowhere near the level to be at a top team and if Man City are to become a top team, Hart needs to go.

My opinion too. I couldn't believe the people comparing him to De Gea a year or two ago.
 
I do genuinely think Hart was quality when he was really emerging, and he was brilliant in City's first title win in 11/12. Had some problems within his game but he was still a very good, solid keeper.

He's had a bit of a decline since then though and his errors and gaffes have really come to the forefront. He'd still pull out the occasional very good performance but it feels a lot rarer. To be fair though, he's still relatively youngish for a goalkeeper, in that he could have a solid decade of playing left. A move to a smaller club might give him a kick up the arse (which he may need), and I wouldn't be surprised if he shows some of his old form again at some point.
 
Still a decent keeper, though I do think Bravo's better so can't blame Pep.
 
Never thought Hart was ever that good. Always lets in stupid goals for England. Bit of a passion merchant.

I don't see what the big deal is I don't think Pep is doing anything wrong. We're going similar with Schweinsteiger. Top Managers make tough calls. Rubbish managers will persist with the likes of Theo Walcott forever.
 
Hart hasn't always been bad, he's made 250+ appearance for them and spent 10 years at the club, he's dropped and forced out but it's put down to Guardiola rebuilding the team.

Mourinho drops schweinsteiger who had 1 injury riddled season and the few games he did play he was bang average yet he gets slated in the press.

I'm also not worried about Bravo either, they're replacing 1 average keeper in hart with another average keeper that has the ability to pass out from the back.
Bravo has been fantastic for a Barcelona.

He's definitely a big upgrade seeing their pefornances over the last few years. Hopefully Bravo struggles to adapt. But based on recet past showings, it's not even close between the two.
 
Adrian is a very good keeper.
I've always thought he looks decent too- very agile shot-stopper, albeit can't say I've seen loads and loads of his games. Surprised some think he is shite.
 
Aww remember the time about 12/18 months ago when Phil Neville said he was better than DDG.

Good times.
 
Bravo is twice the keeper Joe Hart is.

I was hoping they'd be stuck with Hart and Willy for the season.
 
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