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Joe Allen to the dippers?
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Of course Davis was creative, he created lots of oppertunities with his flick ons. Same as Drogba. Just because he isnt Brazillian and didnt pass the ball doesnt mean he didnt create. Its just another style of football and if you look down on it, fair enough but you cannot suggest he didnt create for his team.
Ill defend it on 2 points
As defined by whoscored.com a key pass is a pass that leads directly to a goal scoring opportunity.
First point
If you look at whoscored.com's top rated key passers in Europe for last season there is a very strong correlation between amount of key passes and players that play in creative positions. Namely attacking midfielder's and wingers, a clear indication that there is some logic and accuracy in the statistic.
Second point (For you specifically Pogue)
How can you 'defend' assist statistics and criticise key pass statistics when the assist stats are simply key passes that result in goals? Fuzzy logic at best.
All stats have their limitations and raw data should never be taken purely for what it is. However, I believe that it is safe to that if you sign a player who averages 2.5 - 3 key passes a game then he will be highly likely to create opportunities for you. Calling the key pass stat a 'load of old bollocks' is, well, a load of old bollocks.
Assists were useful but not the best, key passes were always a more accurate gauge of creativity. The problem was that few sites carried the stats so they werent readily available to use. So assists were all you had.
With key passes being far more available now it makes sense to use that more accurate count of chances created. And dispel myths about players creating lots of chances but strikers being rubbish and never scoring from them so the player has no assists in a season.
With key passes being far more available now it makes sense to use that more accurate count of chances created. And dispel myths about players creating lots of chances but strikers being rubbish and never scoring from them so the player has no assists in a season.
Mad Bobby Gould just said on Talksport that he heard from a good source today that we are interested.
and the Times says that Liverpool have activated his 15m clause and will meet Swansea's representatives in the next 48 hours.
Yeah, but as I say, Bobby Gould is a bit mental, although does have connections in Wales.
Fair enough. This place will go absolutely mental if we sign Allen though.
I think he's a good player. Not a world beater but he has alot of potential. Same with Taylor, both players that would become solid squad players and push for first team places.
They'd do well at Liverpool imo. Allens better than Jordan fecking Henderson.
Have to say I quite like Allen from what I saw of him with Swansea last year. He's be useful right now as a backup to Carrick. In time, could he be worth more? I'd say yes but obviously there's no guarantees but at 15m, I think it might be worth a punt. I've also read that he's a huge United fan which would be nice if he did turn out to be something special.
He wouldn't help us dominate the midfield like we would like.
He's obviously not going to immediately. He might well learn in time though...especially at the feet of the master.
Even if he doesn't, he'd be a quality backup.
Seems a pointless discussion though since it looks like he's going to Liverpool. Think he'll do well there atleast as long Rodgers is in the frame.
Even if he doesn't, he'd be a quality backup.
Seems a pointless discussion though since it looks like he's going to Liverpool. Think he'll do well there atleast as long Rodgers is in the frame.
Wow. He's 5'6".
That is crazy small. (Not having a go, that's just genuinely small for a 'combative' player.) "Compact" player?
That is crazy small. (Not having a go, that's just genuinely small for a 'combative' player.) "Compact" player?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19189499
Joe Allen has told Swansea City manager Michael Laudrup he wants to be allowed to join Liverpool.
The Anfield club stepped up their interest in the 22-year-old on Wednesday, triggering a £15m release clause in the Welshman's contract.
Allen held talks with Swansea chairman Huw Jenkins on Wednesday and spoke at length with Laudrup on Thursday. He has not handed in a transfer request.
Liverpool are now confident they can proceed quickly to complete the move.
Some stumbling blocks still need to be overcome, including how and when the fee is paid. However, it seems increasingly likely that a deal will now be done before Allen joins up with the Wales national team on Sunday.
Allen would be manager Brendan Rodgers's second signing, after striker Fabio Borini.
The two clubs opened negotiations over a deal for Allen last month, but the Anfield club's opening bid was rejected.
Liverpool manager Rodgers offered around £12m plus fellow midfielder Jonjo Shelvey on loan, but that deal was turned down by Swansea chairman Jenkins.
Although the new Liverpool manager has a written agreement with Swansea not to return to his former club to try to sign any of their players for the next 12 months, the Welsh club can waive that clause if a deal is deemed to be in the best interests of the club.
Rodgers admitted Allen was a target in July, saying: "He is a very talented player, which everyone knows."
Allen returned to training at Swansea for the first time on Wednesday following his involvement in the Olympic football tournament with the Great Britain side.
Joe Allen has told Swansea City manager Michael Laudrup he wants to be allowed to join Liverpool.
The Anfield club stepped up their interest in the 22-year-old on Wednesday, triggering a £15m release clause in the Welshman's contract.
Allen held talks with Swansea chairman Huw Jenkins on Wednesday and spoke at length with Laudrup on Thursday. He has not handed in a transfer request.
Liverpool are now confident they can proceed quickly to complete the move.
Some stumbling blocks still need to be overcome, including how and when the fee is paid. However, it seems increasingly likely that a deal will now be done before Allen joins up with the Wales national team on Sunday.
Allen would be manager Brendan Rodgers's second signing, after striker Fabio Borini.
The two clubs opened negotiations over a deal for Allen last month, but the Anfield club's opening bid was rejected.
Liverpool manager Rodgers offered around £12m plus fellow midfielder Jonjo Shelvey on loan, but that deal was turned down by Swansea chairman Jenkins.
Although the new Liverpool manager has a written agreement with Swansea not to return to his former club to try to sign any of their players for the next 12 months, the Welsh club can waive that clause if a deal is deemed to be in the best interests of the club.
Rodgers admitted Allen was a target in July, saying: "He is a very talented player, which everyone knows."
Allen returned to training at Swansea for the first time on Wednesday following his involvement in the Olympic football tournament with the Great Britain side.
The bolded part makes no sense. What is the point of the agreement then?
It's bollocks, Swansea aren't "waiving the clause in the best interests of the club", they just have no choice because Liverpool have met the release clause in Allen's contract. What a complete tosser Rodgers is.
He should improve them, but 15mil seems a lot for him.
22 years old with (ok only a seasons but still) premier league experience. Considering what other players are going for these days that's not a bad price. If they keep him till he's 30 it works out about 1.8/1.9m a season over the course of his career.
I think he'll do really well there. Allen, Lucas, Gerrard is a decent midfield. With Henderson + Adam providing cover and depth. I'd say they're better in the midfield department than we are!
You must be joking...
Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Cleverley, Anderson, Powell and Jones shit all over the midfield of that lot.
Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Cleverley, Anderson, Powell and Jones shit all over the midfield of that lot.
You must be joking...
Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Cleverley, Anderson, Powell and Jones shit all over the midfield of that lot.
Scholes and Giggs are in (more likely than not) their last season and can't play every game.
Cleverly is just coming back from Injury. Anderson is incredibly inconsistant and hasn't done anything yet to prove he has the mustard. Powell (no pl experience what so ever and wasn't even a midfielder at his old club) and Jones (extremely talented but Raw and primarily a defender) are kids.
Carrick is the only midfielder who would start week in week out.
You must be joking...
Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Cleverley, Anderson, Powell and Jones shit all over the midfield of that lot.
They really don't, not by a long chalk.
Joe Allen to Liverpool for £15 million is not a move anyone in the world should be losing sleep over. Looks to be a good player and should develop well but hes not a huge step forward on what they already have, not enough for anyone to care anyway.
He's a superb little player and will fit right into Rodger's 4-3-3 system:
------------------- Reina ------------------
Johnson --- Skrtel ------ Agger? ------ Enrique
--------- Gerrard --- Lucas --- Allen ---------
Downing --------- Suarez -------------- Borini
Not a bad starting 11.
------------------- Reina ------------------
Johnson --- Skrtel ------ Agger? ------ Enrique
--------- Gerrard --- Lucas --- Allen ---------
Downing --------- Suarez -------------- Borini
Not a bad starting 11.
£15 million. Jesus.
It's Henderson all over again. Awful, awful signing for £15m. To think we got Cazorla for that.
I think he'll be a very good signing, unfortunately.
Henderson is mint at passing sideways and backwards though. Rodgers is probably tugging himself off at the thought of getting him in the side.
No way. Allen is great at keeping posession, he's a very clever little player.
Henderson is awful.
Surely hes got more about him than Henderson?
Leon Britton is great at keeping possession for Swansea too. And he's shite.
I think he's good but I think he's a little overhyped. Doesn't seem to have a particularly big range and lucas is pretty good with his short passing already. With Gerrard for me going to get deeper and deeper I just wonder if in a potential midfield 3 off Lucas, Allen and Gerrard there will be enough there to really cause a problem to well organized/good teams. Good signing for them though, given last year it was henderson/spearing but I wouldn't be concerned by it.
With the exception of Downing that looks a very decent team actually. Their main problem is the quality outside of their starting 11
They've basically signed Ray houghton again
He's overrated because he's a British player who doesn't shit his kegs in possession of the ball. Neat, tidy player. I actually enjoy watching him play.
But I'd say the same for...somebody like... Mark Davies.
But I'd say the same for...somebody like... Mark Davies.
He can keep possession, but what does he actually do with it? Liverpool are a side with little creativity aside from Suarez, and this doesn't help.
Henderson's absolutely atrocious, as you say, but I'd stick with him and save my £15m and try and do something a little more practical with it.
Lucas and Allen will be there to 'look after the ball' whilst Gerrard roams and links up with Suarez.
He'll be a very good signing and will surprise a lot of people (Allen).
I hope I'm very wrong.
He can keep possession, but Gerrard and Lucas aren't exactly renowned for their ball retention skills. Downing's crap and god knows about Borini.
Rather than getting players like Allen for £15m, I'm always surprised clubs don't get a couple of decent Spaniards. Players like that are ten a penny in la liga, and across the continent in general
They had Aquilani, and ruined his career. He used to be great for Roma