Does it mean that you wouldn’t have signed young Ronaldo for the current United team?
Joao Felix | Signed for Atlético Madrid
- Thread starter deafepl
- Start date
- Status
Ronaldo was just on another level to Félix and he came into a settled squad.
At the time of the signing I do not believe this to be correct, Felix has done a lot more than Ronaldo in the Premeira Liga. The part about the settled squad is true
sorry but that isn't true. Maybe Ronaldo didn't have as many games as Félix in primeira liga and his game was more raw but in terms of natural talent there's no comparison. Ronaldo made a strong United look like a pub team even if it was a friendly. I remember perfectly Ronaldo just dribbling and scoring in the league like a small tornado.I just don’t see where our goals come from, Felix would have to add 20 goals to that lineup.
Ronaldo scored 3 league goals btw
They played the same amount of games roughly in the league. Ronaldo was great indeed but so is Felix. You can laugh all you want, but the statement isn't correct, Felix was an important part of a title winning side, also won Portugal break through player of the year. I don't remember Ronaldo winning those type of accolades whilst at Sporting, thats not to say he wasn't great btw.
In terms of natural talent, there is a comparison they have different skill sets, but Felix has all the talent to become a balon do'r winner, doesn't mean he will achieve it but the natural talent is there.
@Cassidy i recommend a quick youtube check on Ronaldo in Sporting. He was considerably younger and already a game changer. A player who could drag one, two, three players and often break through the lines with the ball on his feet, even without much end product, is invaluable and restricted to a select few. Félix doesnt have that. Sure he has other skill sets like one-twos but he lacks the power and acceleration to ever reach levels of a great like Ronny, Messi, etc.
He can become a very classy trequartista type of player like Pastore but those sort of players aren't easy to fit into modern game. Benfica isn't a good example to go by as been said many times.
Totti was much better than Félix at his age (just check his U21 euro final) but still did never make it to an European giant and still during a time when number 10s had a place.
Nevertheless i think you're greatly overrating this guy.
He can become a very classy trequartista type of player like Pastore but those sort of players aren't easy to fit into modern game. Benfica isn't a good example to go by as been said many times.
Totti was much better than Félix at his age (just check his U21 euro final) but still did never make it to an European giant and still during a time when number 10s had a place.
Nevertheless i think you're greatly overrating this guy.
Felix has a mature head on his shoulder than a young Ronaldo. In fact, Felix's game is far developed than that of Ronaldo before his move to Manutd. What Ronaldo had over Felix was his physical talent like speed. However, some players' game isn't dependent on speed. Van Persie, Zlatan were players who weren't reliant on speed and these two players were more than just a striker but false 9 strikers. Van Persie was actually a false 9 striker while he was at Arsenal.
Sorry folks. This one isn't happening. Off to City/PSG/Barca.
Are you having a mental breakdown or are you some sort of anti-muppet bot? You've just bumped every thread with this. Or maybe ITK??? Sounds like a big summer for City/PSG/Barca.
Wasn't Totti not joining a 'European giant' largely by choice? He had no interest in leaving Roma, turned down Italian giants and Galactico Madrid among others.
I'm honored you would even consider that I'm ITK as a joke. I'll happily noblige. Stay tuned. Big news tomorrow when the stock exchange opens.
Quoting for future naturally.
truth
Felix is showing just as much talent and more intelligence on the field than Cristiano did coming out of Sporting.
Cristiano was a better athlete, Felix is a better footballer when comparing the two at this stage of their careers. He had a great showing in a friendly against United, he didn't make the premier league teams look like pub teams when he started his premiership career, though.
That being said, he was put in the best position to develop, in a settled and ultra-professional environment. Felix wouldn't have the same privilege.
Cristiano was a significantly worse player than Joao Felix at the same stage of the respective careers. He had a higher ceiling, i agree with you on that, but also a lower floor. In his first two seasons in manchester, there was as much chance of him becoming the new Best as the new Denilson. Joao Felix maybe won't ever be the new Zidane, but he's almost certainly going to become a world class player
By his own choice. Florentino Perez and Berlusconi would have sold their mother to sign him
What sets Ronaldo apart is his work ethic and desire, its probably unparalleled, that's why he scaled the summit.
Because of his work behind the scenes there were prominent people that believed he would go all the way to the top in his early United career when a lot of pundits were slagging him off. Luis Figo and Alex Ferguson were probably the highest profile.
That said, Ronaldo was much better early in his career than people seem to want to give him credit for.
Disagree completely. You may prefer number 10 type of players and i do as well but Ronaldo was already obviously special. People think it's just hard work but it's in fact natural talent. His reflexes and footwork are not just acceleration or pace but how quick his nervous and muscular system works and reacts.
You may not like the style but, at least for us fans in Portugal at the time, it was clear that we were witnessing the birth of a super star. There is no such feeling with Félix. He's obviously talented but there have been many of his ilk before.
The issue with cristiano was his low football IQ. He had the physical and technical tools to become a superstar, but it was a big question mark whether he'd learn how to use those tools effectively. As i said, sky high ceiling, but also low floor
Joao Felix is more high floor, higher(but likely not sky-high) ceiling
Thing is though that he used to strap weights around his ankles as a kid and practice those moves endlessly to improve those sharp movements. That was documented by one of his early Sporting coaches I believe. These were extra curricular activities too. The groundsman used to find him alone after dark on the training pitch.
Comparing Felix to Ronaldo at his age is doing a disservice to the lad. Ronaldo is pretty unique. He kept on developing as a player into his early thirties.
Cristiano at 19 was already United regular. At 20, which Felix will be in 4-5 months time he was 6th in the Ballon D'or.
This is Felix first season at top level. Cristiano and Messi are once in a generation talents don't agree with that comparison at all. They are also very different in terms of type.
Same stage not age, meaning Ronaldo was playing for Sporting in his first senior season in the Primeria Liga. Felix definitely the better at the same stage, doesn't mean he will be anywhere near at a later stage.
Why is joao felix being held up as the second coming of Christ on here? He looks talented, but I reckon he’d get fecking battered if he was to come to the prem right now. If we actually had someone good enough so he could be eased in, I’d be more up for this signing.
I hope Portugal coach deploy him as a striker in the national league match. I really want to see how he will perform in the role. He did well in the role against Frankfurt and scored a hattrick but there's need for larger samples. He's got the instinct of a striker and also, his positioning and movement looks good already. I don't even see Kaka in him but Zlatan/Van Persie in him. If he can become as good as these aforementioned players, he's worth the fee quoted for him however, he's still a potential at this stage, a good one though.
He seems to play in between the lines though, he’ll have to play with another striker who occupies the CBs, as opposed to leading the line. His awareness and decision making seem high though, does look like a very good prospect.
I can see a Ben Mee, or the like, going straight through this lad given half a chance.
Not really fair comparison. Cristiano made his debut at 17. Felix at 17 was just about considered to be played at Benfica B.
Felix spent 2 seasons at Benfica B and now he made his debut season at Benfica, which at the same "stage" was Cristiano 2nd season at United.
It wasn't suppose to be a fair comparison, but an actual one. Follow the origin of the conversation, its not to say Felix is the better player, but to talk about where they were at the point of a potential transfer
That was because he was deployed to play as a SS behind a lead striker however, that hasn't stopped him from making smart runs like a striker. He's also shown he's capable of leading the line alone like he did against Frankfurt. If he was constantly deployed as a striker, he would play like one. Same like Van Persie at Arsenal before he was moved to the striker role and he owned the role.
A chance maybe, but 120 Million ??
even if he does sign, he'll be dreaming of playing for Madrid in 3-5 years time.
best possible scenario is he helps to get us back to where we want to be, and we make some profit on him.
Worse case, it turns out he can't cut in in this league, and we are left with someone we can't recoup the money on, who is getting another huge wage
best possible scenario is he helps to get us back to where we want to be, and we make some profit on him.
Worse case, it turns out he can't cut in in this league, and we are left with someone we can't recoup the money on, who is getting another huge wage
The funniest part of this thread is the fact that it's the Portuguese members (Benfica included) the ones with feet on the ground and with realistic views on Felix.
And the ones with less information about the player talk about him like he's gonna put CR7 and Messi to shame and maybe cure cancer on his part time.
How can anyone claim he is better than CR7 at the same age?
I'm pretty sure 6 months ago, when he already had 19yrs old , most of the people posting had never heard of him.
At 19, CR7 was already at United and playing with Portugal on a European final (2004)....and Felix has 0 caps.
And the ones with less information about the player talk about him like he's gonna put CR7 and Messi to shame and maybe cure cancer on his part time.
How can anyone claim he is better than CR7 at the same age?
I'm pretty sure 6 months ago, when he already had 19yrs old , most of the people posting had never heard of him.
At 19, CR7 was already at United and playing with Portugal on a European final (2004)....and Felix has 0 caps.
Well, he is not exactly a traditional centre-forward, nor is he an out-and-out winger, he is not a predominant midfielder either and is associated with terms like false-9, SS, trequartista etc. He is still a teenager, portuguese, plays for the likes of Benfica, flavour of the season, plays some nice one-twos in youtube clips and looks a bit like Kaka facially. So he must be the next Johan Cruyff!
I will gladly say I was wrong if Felix doesn't develop into a world class star, but will all of you who are discounting him do the same? I bet not.
Im firmly in the star of the future camp and do believe this is the sort of player we need. Someone with some magic about them. I also think we need a James Maddison too, before some of you accuse me of only wanting shiny new foreign toys.
Felix behind two strikers who split and create space for him to score plenty of goals, now that's what I wanna see.
Im firmly in the star of the future camp and do believe this is the sort of player we need. Someone with some magic about them. I also think we need a James Maddison too, before some of you accuse me of only wanting shiny new foreign toys.
Felix behind two strikers who split and create space for him to score plenty of goals, now that's what I wanna see.
Let's not sign him then. Let's not bother signing anyone who may dream of signing for Madrid one day .
Actually we shouldn't have bothered signing Ronaldo then, what a complete waste of time that was.
Portuguese journalists saying he’ll start next to Ronaldo tomorrow in the Nations League
@Kaglish10, this makes more sense to me in how he will be used.
Makes little sense? In the same breath you can say Martial also was better than Ronaldo when it came to his transfer but why does it matter?
- Status