Joao Felix | Signed for Atlético Madrid

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crossy1686 said:
If you think he's worth €60m - €70m now, what's his worth next season? What if it doubles and we could have got him for €105m this summer? If we're certain he'll improve we should just buy him now. It will only get harder to sign him from here on out.
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You don't have to tell me that. I want us to buy him.
 
Not the most reliable normally. Maybe it's from a decent Journalist? We can hope I guess..

 
If we end up signing Felix, do you think we are going to play 4231 or 442 (diamond) formation?
 
Forget wasting time on a Barcelona bound CB, if we someone end the summer with Fernandes and Felix then the Muppets should be thrilled
 
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Fer said:
If we end up signing Felix, do you think we are going to play 4231 or 442 (diamond) formation?
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If we target players like Felix & Rice then it looks like a diamond to me. Players that can play deep in to a possible position whilst also having the ability to further up the pitch with the ball.

Rashford - Felix/Martial - Greenwood
Shaw - Pogba - Rabiot - AwB
De ligt - Rice - Lindelof
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Bolded named players play in a diamond position having the ability to play in a variety of positions with and without the ball.
 
Absolute con job this would be. Product of the annual Portuguese hype machine, and doesn’t look THAT special or anywhere near the touted numbers to me.
 
Rozay said:
Absolute con job this would be. Product of the annual Portuguese hype machine, and doesn’t look THAT special or anywhere near the touted numbers to me.
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I predict this post won't age well.
 
More worried about who we selling - pogba, Martial and Lukaku are our only sellable assets.
 
bond19821982 said:
More worried about who we selling - pogba, Martial and Lukaku are our only sellable assets.
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Lukaku and one of DDG or Martial.

I don't think we need to sell if we are going to pay the release-clause unless we are going to invest in a number of other players. Still, the constraint of our spending this summer will be the wage budget.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I think he’ll be one of the best players in the World this boy.
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He might be. It just won’t be a massive shock if he wasn’t either. Young fans are constantly after a new hero to pin their hopes to. I think there have been a load of echoes about Felix on Redcafe. Many who want to ‘get in on the ground floor’ so to speak. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point where anything good the boy does is evidence of him being a ‘generational talent’. The assertions being made of him on here are so wild, and I am confident most people making them have barely watched the player, it’s just a chain of echoes.

He doesn’t look THAT special to me. If he’s to become one of the players of his generation then he’ll have to work very hard, and also find a position that makes sense in the modern game. He seems intelligent and a top finisher, but he doesn’t really have any physical gifts nor does he seem to go past players at will, which for a player of his type is a bit of a disappointment for me.

Ultimately, I wish him the best, and if he joins United, I wish him even better. But forming my own opinion in a vacuum, I don’t see what the others see. He doesn’t look Mbappé, Dembele, Sancho, De Ligt level of talent to me.
 
Rozay said:
Absolute con job this would be. Product of the annual Portuguese hype machine, and doesn’t look THAT special or anywhere near the touted numbers to me.
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I have similar reservations.
 
Rozay said:
Ultimately, I wish him the best, and if he joins United, I wish him even better. But forming my own opinion in a vacuum, I don’t see what the others see. He doesn’t look Mbappé, Dembele, Sancho, De Ligt level of talent to me.
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Hopefully you live up to your tagline once again, calling him our best player since sliced Fred
 
Rozay said:
He might be. It just won’t be a massive shock if he wasn’t either. Young fans are constantly after a new hero to pin their hopes to. I think there have been a load of echoes about Felix on Redcafe. Many who want to ‘get in on the ground floor’ so to speak. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point where anything good the boy does is evidence of him being a ‘generational talent’. The assertions being made of him on here are so wild, and I am confident most people making them have barely watched the player, it’s just a chain of echoes.

He doesn’t look THAT special to me. If he’s to become one of the players of his generation then he’ll have to work very hard, and also find a position that makes sense in the modern game. He seems intelligent and a top finisher, but he doesn’t really have any physical gifts nor does he seem to go past players at will, which for a player of his type is a bit of a disappointment for me.

Ultimately, I wish him the best, and if he joins United, I wish him even better. But forming my own opinion in a vacuum, I don’t see what the others see. He doesn’t look Mbappé, Dembele, Sancho, De Ligt level of talent to me.
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He looks to me like he's got a lot going for him that most players don't, even at his age. Sometimes it's not just obviously smacking you in the face like somebody that can dribble for fun. Those players are easy to spot and obvious, though a hell of a lot still fall by the wayside because they don't have what Felix seems to, Dembele might be an example of that soon enough.

Having said all that, although i didn't watch these particular games, on the YouTube videos he shows a lot of ability to beat a player with skill and bamboozle a defender. That's not what sets him apart tough for me.
 
Tiber said:
Forget wasting time on a Barcelona boing CB, if we someone end the summer with Fernandes and Felix then the Muppets should be thrilled
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Super thrilled that we enter the summer needing starters at right back, center back, defensive mid, all round mid and right wing... and then spend basically £150-200m on two #10's.
 
pocco said:
He looks to me like he's got a lot going for him that most players don't, even at his age. Sometimes it's not just obviously smacking you in the face like somebody that can dribble for fun. Those players are easy to spot and obvious, though a hell of a lot still fall by the wayside because they don't have what Felix seems to, Dembele might be an example of that soon enough.

Having said all that, although i didn't watch these particular games, on the YouTube videos he shows a lot of ability to beat a player with skill and bamboozle a defender. That's not what sets him apart tough for me.
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Dembele, when healthy, was one of Barcelona's most important players this season, personally won the team trophy and important points this season.
 
If Bruno Fernandes and Joao Felix are half as good as they're being touted, we should be signing both of them for whatever the price.
 
Rozay said:
Absolute con job this would be. Product of the annual Portuguese hype machine, and doesn’t look THAT special or anywhere near the touted numbers to me.
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Who were the last players from the Portuguese hype machine? Neves and Bernardo?
 
pocco said:
He looks to me like he's got a lot going for him that most players don't, even at his age. Sometimes it's not just obviously smacking you in the face like somebody that can dribble for fun. Those players are easy to spot and obvious, though a hell of a lot still fall by the wayside because they don't have what Felix seems to, Dembele might be an example of that soon enough.

Having said all that, although i didn't watch these particular games, on the YouTube videos he shows a lot of ability to beat a player with skill and bamboozle a defender. That's not what sets him apart tough for me.
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I agree with this. There are certain ‘intangibles’ he seems to have to his game. But then again, majority of the world’s top players have those intangibles plus at least one of the more obvious traits.

I have nothing against the kid, but if he, for arguments sake, became as good as say Firmino, it would be no footballing travesty, which is my point. Firmino is a good, clever forward, can play a few roles, without being outstanding at anything per se. I don’t see many traits from Felix that I can say Firmino doesn’t have. And if Firmino cost £105m, it would be daylight robbery. There are Firmino level players you can still look at and be disappointed because when they were young they were showing certain extreme qualities. With Felix, if he became a new Firmino, or even a Cavani-level of player, he would have done well based on the player I see today, and achieved his potential to me. However, people seem to be projecting him far higher than that, and that for me, is with little basis at the moment.

Carlos Tevez is another example. He was the latest ‘new Maradona’ when he emerged in Argentina. He actually fulfilled his potential and went on to have a very good career. Maradona, he was not though. Not even close. This is how I see Felix at present. Just the usual Benfica president and Portuguese press trying to sell the world a dream.
 
I think he looks the absolute business. If we can sell Lukaku for 70m and bring in this kid for 90 plus another 20 in variables, I’ll be very happy.
 
bosnian_red said:
Can play right wing like Griezmann or Dybala can but it's not using them correctly (and they arent "top players" when they are placed out wide. That's how I see him.
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I see him as a all rounder like Rooney or Ronaldo, minus the physique at the moment. James and him sharing right wing duties will be okay for us this season. James can play both sides as well.
 
You guys are focused too much on the position without looking at attributes. Felix isn't a #10 like Ozil. Though he is a lot more like Dybala. I think the recent problem with #10s is that they're usually small, creative types who don't score much, nor defend, nor provide a passing option as much as a #8 like Pogba. Difference with Pogba is that he can dribble, defend set pieces better than the usual #10, and is in a slightly deeper position than the usual #10. Felix is tall for a #10, and has goals in him.

I think Januzaj and Mata are good comparisons to draw differences to Felix. If you look at dribbling statistics, he would have roughly the same amount of successful dribbles as Mata did. The big difference is that Felix was fouled a lot more and Felix looks a little more athletic. Which could give you hope that he turns into a dribbler like Adnan did. Januzaj is very similar in profile. I think the big difference between those two players is that Felix had more goals in him where as Januzaj was more of a creator in attacking philosophy. It's also important to remember that Januzaj was not much of a dribbler at youth level and really started to attempt dribbles more when Moyes came. It's in that area that I felt Januzaj was immature and his decision making that was correctly applauded for its maturity, regressed.

In the end, what's the difference between Felix, Rashford, and Greenwood? All were #10s at youth level. Rashford changed into a striker as did Greenwood. It's not like they're running at players to the extent that Sancho does and did at youth level. They've become goal scorers, but are able to play out wide due to being speedy #10s, where as I don't think Felix would be able to use pace as much as they can.

As for our attack, there is no set formation as of right now. We could play a 4-3-3, or we could go to a diamond like we did with Ole.

If Ole wanted to, he could just as easily go with this

-------ST--ST--------
---------#10---------
---CM-----------CM---
----------CM----------

Where Felix easily fits into the #10 role or as one of the two strikers. Greenwood could do the same. As could Rashford or Martial. As could Sancho.
 
After watching a lot of footage it looks like he can play in the middle or in a wide position very comfortably, he's lethal whenever he's one on one with a defender on the right flank. He'd be a perfect replacement for Lukaku. A front three of Martial/Rashford, Felix, Sancho would be insane.
 
Adamsk7 said:
He is a generational talent like De Ligt. I’d love us to get him but if we went for both of them that’s probably the transfer budget blown and in the immediate short term we wouldn’t improve much. He’s still too young to be the catalyst of a team like Utd but he’s be brilliant with a solid foundation around him (which we don’t have currently).
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Is he really a generational talent?

The only young player I can confidently say that about is Sancho. I imagine De Ligt too because of how everyone rate this peformances this season at the highest level. Felix seems much more raw from the clips. Don't get the same wow impression as I do with Sancho.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Is he really a generational talent?

The only young player I can confidently say that about is Sancho. I imagine De Ligt too because of how everyone rate this peformances this season at the highest level. Felix seems much more raw from the clips. Don't get the same wow impression as I do with Sancho.
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It's way too early to tell if he's a generational talent. It's not obvious like Mbappe, Messi, de Ligt, etc...

Probably more similar to younger Sporting Ronaldo. Incredibly talented, but too soon to really know whether he's a for sure thing. Both have a showmanship to them too.
 
In Rainbows said:
It's way too early to tell if he's a generational talent. It's not obvious like Mbappe, Messi, de Ligt, etc...

Probably more similar to younger Sporting Ronaldo. Incredibly talented, but too soon to really know whether he's a for sure thing. Both have a showmanship to them too.
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Hmm. Doesn't really come across in the clips I have to be honest. Ronaldo was albiet a little dumb, absolutely electric and explosive as a kid. This guy seems more Dybala than Ronaldo and co. I don't know. He seems a talent but I'm not sure I'm able to see this absurdly talented kid like I see with Sancho. Nearly every time I watch Sancho he just has it. Granted I've seen little of Felix so may be talking nonsense.
 
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amolbhatia50k said:
Hmm. Doesn't really come across in the clips I have to be honest. Ronaldo was albiet a little dumb, absolutely electric and explosive as a kid. This guy seems more Dybala than Ronaldo and co. I don't know. He seems a talent but I'm not sure I'm able to see this absurdly talented kid like I see with Sancho. Nearly every time I watch Sancho he just has it. Granted I've seen little of Felix so may be talking nonsense.
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I didn't mean he was explosive like Ronaldo was. They're two different types of players. I just meant that they were still raw and weren't close to world class like Mbappe, Messi, de Ligt, etc... are at their age. You could even classify Sancho as close to that as he did it in a top league. Can't say the same about Ronaldo or Felix. Meaning that they had obvious talent, so they could still flop or actually become world class. Of course, Ronaldo was pretty much at that level when he was 20-21 years old.
 
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