Joao Felix | Signed for Atlético Madrid

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Aloysius's Back 3 said:
This is what I want at United - not American or Middle Eastern owners but Chinese owners.
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City, the indisputed king in England this season is owned by Middle Eastern people. Didn't turn out so bad for then?
I don't get the snub those billionaire Middle East and the Arabs get on here. Look at City and PSG: Nearly guaranteed Title in domestic league every year.
 
minh_loc_xoay said:
City, the indisputed king in England this season is owned by Middle Eastern people. Didn't turn out so bad for then?
I don't get the snub those billionaire Middle East and the Arabs get on here. Look at City and PSG: Nearly guaranteed Title in domestic league every year.
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Don't care really, whilst there is many reasons - one is simply the fact that I don't want to do it the way City have done it.

If I had the choice of all three I would chose the Chinese investors. Considering some even trying to improve the Chinese Leagues with some well payed players - it just makes me more happy.

Saying that though - American, Middle Eastern, Chinese & Russian controlled football clubs sound like a part of WW3 sooner or later.
 
minh_loc_xoay said:
City, the indisputed king in England this season is owned by Middle Eastern people. Didn't turn out so bad for then?
I don't get the snub those billionaire Middle East and the Arabs get on here. Look at City and PSG: Nearly guaranteed Title in domestic league every year.
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This post is straight out of blue moon, and doesnt even make any attempt to hide it... they are the only ones in the world deluded enough to be proud of that. If not, then you'd fit right in, because nobody else respects City and PSG.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Don't care really, whilst there is many reasons - one is simply the fact that I don't want to do it the way City have done it.

If I had the choice of all three I would chose the Chinese investors. Considering some even trying to improve the Chinese Leagues with some well payed players - it just makes me more happy.

Saying that though - American, Middle Eastern, Chinese & Russian controlled football clubs sound like a part of WW3 sooner or later.
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Okay. Fair game with that. Also gotta admit the Chinese tend to be smart in business too.
mu4c_20le said:
This post is straight out of blue moon, and doesnt even make any attempt to hide it... they are the only ones in the world deluded enough to be proud of that. If not, then you'd fit right in, because nobody else respects City and PSG.
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Wow. I guess you haven't seen how the English media just suck up on City being the best team ever in England, or even the best thing ever since sliced bread? Try asking the kids around on which teams do they enjoy watching/supporting and you'd see City appearing more and more as time goes by. I know the truth hurts, but success breeds fanbase and fame. You cannot deny it and claim every opposing opinions as "Blue Moon".
 
wolvored said:
Because Wanderers owners have money to burn. They are richer than PSG. They had a 4 year plan. next season (year 3) is when they challenge for the title and year 4 the Champions league. They will spend what it needs to do this.
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That's laughable if their owners seriously think that's a realistic plan. Their squad has nowhere near the quality to play the kind of football that could even break into the Top 6, let alone challenge for the title. The only reason they've done so well this season has been due to their defensive, counterattacking style of play. They will suffer heavily if they try to play a more open game.
 
koop said:
Sure as hell aint worth £100m
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I don't get it. Why can't you just answer the question? It's not like I'm outright disagreeing with you. I'm just curious because you might be seeing something I'm not.
 
In Rainbows said:
I don't get it. Why can't you just answer the question? It's not like I'm outright disagreeing with you. I'm just curious because you might be seeing something I'm not.
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He's already said he's only seen him from clips and has therefore decided he isn't worth €100m, not £100m by the way. That's his release clause, the Benfica chairman has already said they won't sell him for less and they're panicking at the moment to get him to sign a new deal so they can push the release clause up to €200m as they feel that someone might activate the current one due to how good he's looked this season.

He's right though, the lad isn't worth €100m but will he be in a couple of seasons? Absolutely, probably even more than that. If he has another season like the one he's just had he'll be up there with a young Ronaldo in terms of hype.
 
crossy1686 said:
He's already said he's only seen him from clips and has therefore decided he isn't worth €100m, not £100m by the way. That's his release clause, the Benfica chairman has already said they won't sell him for less and they're panicking at the moment to get him to sign a new deal so they can push the release clause up to €200m as they feel that someone might activate the current one due to how good he's looked this season.

He's right though, the lad isn't worth €100m but will he be in a couple of seasons? Absolutely, probably even more than that. If he has another season like the one he's just had he'll be up there with a young Ronaldo in terms of hype.
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I don't think he's worth his release clause either. Still think he's worth around 60-70mil going by the Vinicius transfer fee.
 
In Rainbows said:
I don't think he's worth his release clause either. Still think he's worth around 60-70mil going by the Vinicius transfer fee.
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He is ahead of Vinicius by a long way when he was signed
 
koop said:
What a stupid reply
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As opposed to judging a players value based on some clips...

I also do not think he is worth 100m YET however I got off alot more than clips. He is also far from mediocre
 
Vissy said:
That's laughable if their owners seriously think that's a realistic plan. Their squad has nowhere near the quality to play the kind of football that could even break into the Top 6, let alone challenge for the title. The only reason they've done so well this season has been due to their defensive, counterattacking style of play. They will suffer heavily if they try to play a more open game.
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You are probably right with the 4 year plan being realistic, but can see them challenging top 5/6 next season
 
In Rainbows said:
I don't think he's worth his release clause either. Still think he's worth around 60-70mil going by the Vinicius transfer fee.
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If you think he's worth €60m - €70m now, what's his worth next season? What if it doubles and we could have got him for €105m this summer? If we're certain he'll improve we should just buy him now. It will only get harder to sign him from here on out.
 
Cassidy said:
He is ahead of Vinicius by a long way when he was signed
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Is he really? On what basis? I've seen Vinicius make fools of Barca in Camp Nou and not many youngsters can do that. Félix doesn't have the physical nor the technical tools the Brazilian have. Don't let Mendes propaganda get to you.
 
broccoli said:
Is he really? On what basis? I've seen Vinicius make fools of Barca in Camp Nou and not many youngsters can do that. Félix doesn't have the physical nor the technical tools the Brazilian have. Don't let Mendes propaganda get to you.
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At the point which he was signed. Vinicuis had to go play with the reserves he wasnt ready. Felix is ready now, I disagree he doesnt have the technical tools by the way.

Its not propaganda. I have watched both players. Felix is ahead of Vinicius when Vinicius was signed.

Is Felix worth 100m no is he a special talent yes. Was Vinicius at this level when Real signed him no
 
Love how we all become experts when it comes to a transfer fee.

The money in football is stupid!

The problem we have is the talent, high level young talent, is sparse. There are more teams now that can pull in top young talent then say 15 years ago too. This is leading everyone to pay bigger fees for the 'next big thing'. PSG, Madrid and Barca are looking to hoover up the youth before they've developed and if it doesn't work out, they can afford to cut their losses. It's just the way of the world.

If we believe he truly has the potential to become a serious player, we can't afford to worry about the numbers! Our rivals don't.
 
wolvored said:
You are probably right with the 4 year plan being realistic, but can see them challenging top 5/6 next season
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If they improve their squad next season because you can be sure that the others will improve theirs (barring possibly United who may end up with a weaker squad)
 
Cassidy said:
At the point which he was signed. Vinicuis had to go play with the reserves he wasnt ready. Felix is ready now, I disagree he doesnt have the technical tools by the way.

Its not propaganda. I have watched both players. Felix is ahead of Vinicius when Vinicius was signed.

Is Felix worth 100m no is he a special talent yes. Was Vinicius at this level when Real signed him no
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I agree. I remember some on here laughing and saying Real wasted their money on Vinicius when the deal was originally agreed and the kid was still playing in Brazil. Videos were flying round of him missing sitters, messing up his skill moves, diving etc. Then he had a season with the Real 'B' team and now look at him, he looks a fantastic prospect and Reals investment looks a savvy one.

Felix on the other hand, has already had a lot of first team football this season (even though this is his breakthrough season), played in some big games and is performing very well for a player his age. Those who are saying he isn't worth €100m are right, that's because the €100m you'd pay is for his potential and unfortunately, this is the way the transfer market works nowadays with the inflated fees.

To say he looks mediocre off the back of some 5 minute highlight video is laughable, YouTube can make anyone look a star or absolute fodder because it depends on the persons narrative who post it. If they want to make a League 2 player look a world beater, they'll post their best pieces of play (goals, assists etc), if they want to make a great player look awful they'll show their worst pieces of play (bad touches, wayward passes, shots off target etc), most never show a balanced video of the good and bad, so the best you can do is watch full games of these players on a regular basis.
 
He is a generational talent like De Ligt. I’d love us to get him but if we went for both of them that’s probably the transfer budget blown and in the immediate short term we wouldn’t improve much. He’s still too young to be the catalyst of a team like Utd but he’s be brilliant with a solid foundation around him (which we don’t have currently).
 
If we plan on playing with a number 10 then fair enough, this kid looks tremendous and we should get him. Otherwise he would likely end up pushed out wide where he is much less effective.

So many of these 'number 10' players these days and they seem more and more ineffective. Not got the pace or technique to play out wide, not clinical enough to play up front and not disciplined enough to play in midfield.
 
Adamsk7 said:
He is a generational talent like De Ligt. I’d love us to get him but if we went for both of them that’s probably the transfer budget blown and in the immediate short term we wouldn’t improve much. He’s still too young to be the catalyst of a team like Utd but he’s be brilliant with a solid foundation around him (which we don’t have currently).
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It would be 180 mill to get them both in. All reports point to us have 250 mill budget, prior to outgoing transfers. Say Lukaku leaves for around 50 and James comes in for 15, that would leave us with 105 mill. AWB for 50, leaves us with 65. Rabiot for free? That leaves us with enough for another CM. Obviously this is all muppetry, but that would be a great window.
 
Adamsk7 said:
He is a generational talent like De Ligt. I’d love us to get him but if we went for both of them that’s probably the transfer budget blown and in the immediate short term we wouldn’t improve much. He’s still too young to be the catalyst of a team like Utd but he’s be brilliant with a solid foundation around him (which we don’t have currently).
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Quality over quantity all day long, It going to take a while to fix this team, so i'd rather we did it right.
 
Beaucoup said:
Quality over quantity all day long, It going to take a while to fix this team, so i'd rather we did it right.
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I like felix, but 120m is just unreal for a player who is not physically ready yet to repeat the same in Epl.
 
Patrick08 said:
I like felix, but 120m is just unreal for a player who is not physically ready yet to repeat the same in Epl.
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That's where the issue is. "Yet". If he were ready already, the fee would be a lot higher. The price for potential has risen massively now. Look at what Barca paid for Dembele for example. That was what, some 105+40 Mn (euros) two years ago. It's not like prices will decline. There are barely any established stars that are traded these days given the prices. The scramble therefore is to snap up the "next big thing" before he's the "real deal". When players like Vinicius and Rodrygo (neither even in Europe) are bought for obscene sums a year before they're even ready for Real's Castilla team, how do you expect a lad who's already played in UEFA competitions to be cheap? It's not "unreal".

As a former manager of mine used to say, "Price is just the highest acceptable amount that a buyer is willing to pay. It has nothing to do with cost or anything else. If any buyer is willing to pay it and the seller is willing to accept it, that's the price".
 
midnightmare said:
That's where the issue is. "Yet". If he were ready already, the fee would be a lot higher. The price for potential has risen massively now. Look at what Barca paid for Dembele for example. That was what, some 105+40 Mn (euros) two years ago. It's not like prices will decline. There are barely any established stars that are traded these days given the prices. The scramble therefore is to snap up the "next big thing" before he's the "real deal". When players like Vinicius and Rodrygo (neither even in Europe) are bought for obscene sums a year before they're even ready for Real's Castilla team, how do you expect a lad who's already played in UEFA competitions to be cheap? It's not "unreal".

As a former manager of mine used to say, "Price is just the highest acceptable amount that a buyer is willing to pay. It has nothing to do with cost or anything else. If any buyer is willing to pay it and the seller is willing to accept it, that's the price".
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For 120m you can buy the finished article (Griezman) instead of gambling on Félix. Very similar players let's see if Félix becomes as good.
 
Adamsk7 said:
He is a generational talent like De Ligt. I’d love us to get him but if we went for both of them that’s probably the transfer budget blown and in the immediate short term we wouldn’t improve much. He’s still too young to be the catalyst of a team like Utd but he’s be brilliant with a solid foundation around him (which we don’t have currently).
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Is he?

I'm more inclined to believe that with De Ligt and de Jong having seen them lead their team almost to the CL final. Mbappe similarly had an exceptional campaign with Monaco in the CL before that name cementing World Cup. Felix hasn't had the chance to shine on those kind of stages. So for now I see him as great potential, but I don't know about generational.
 
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