He’ll probably get a bit of a run out in one of the last games, he’ll probably get a clap but no one’s going to beg him to stay. For someone who’s been at the club 22 years and doesn’t have a song he’s misjudged massively how well thought of he is
Jesse Lingard 'to leave on a free'
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All this fuss for a player who should have left the club 4 managers ago
"J Lingz"
Everything that's been wrong with our club for years. Our very own Spice Boys Era.
Everything that's been wrong with our club for years. Our very own Spice Boys Era.
I will celebrate the day Lingard officially leaves for good.
He’s not from Manchester.
I keep hearing the local lad thing but he’s not a Manc neither is Greenwood.
He shouldn't be on the bench at this point.
Where are you getting some of this from? I don't believe for one second that Ole wanted Koulibaly instead of Maguire, I think Maguire was who he wanted and he got him. I don't believe Rice was a serious consideration at the point when they bought Van De Beek, I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that are that point he wanted Grealish and was delivered VDB instead. Would Grealish have featured more for United than for City had Ole got what he wanted? I'm not so sure, I think he would have been used as a general sub across the forward line. Dan James, he may have wanted to keep but probably mostly because he was recommended by Giggs and that makes him club royalty by default.
Maybe his depression was also a bunch of shit so he got people's sympathy and attention. IF it's true, then it's a self made depression because it seems like his biggest problem is that he thinks he could do better when the fact is he's not good enough. Westham is his level, accept it and move on. You can still make lots of money and have a good career there. Jesus it's not the end of the world. Why so bitter?
Thank you Neville for talking some sense among the ridiculous hysteria being vomited by parts of our fanbase and the media
What he say?
He's from Warrington which is just another place in the north west of England and not associated with Manchester or considered local, it's a long drive away with huge patches of bare land in-between. Local to Manchester would be surrounding areas of greater Manchester like Stockport, Oldham, Rochdale, Ashton, Bury etc. Gary Neville is local as he's from Bury. Scholes is local as he's from Oldham. Warrington is this completely separate area like Chorley or Macclesfield etc.
Probably its the other way around
I love RR
Exactly. Yet there is story after story about this in the media. It’s clear Lingard has been leaking stories to the press over the last year and now they are backing him.
Running a business is hard work and Jesse also has training. Mixed in with personal life. His focus is no longer football but to transition after his career in football is over. Thats why he pulled a few sickie s here and there
He's from Warrington which is round the corner. Only about 15 miles from OT.
I'm from Warrington myself and it's close enough that you'd say you were from Manchester if you met someone from another country who didn't know the north-west.
Greenwood is a different case though, he's from Bradford I think.
It's not mate.
Warrington is as close to Old Trafford as Oldham is. Google it if you don't believe me.
But anyway, getting back to the point: it's a shame it's ending this way for Lingard but the send-off idea is a complete nonsense isn't it.
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Breeding a group of players through the youth team right up to become first team regulars is a fantastic ambition but sometimes I think we’re too obsessed with the idea rather than the reality.
‘Busy Babes’, ‘Class of 92’. It’s what people throw back to in order to argue that we must give a player whose come through the system chance after chance after chance after chance - even if demonstrably unworthy. In turn I think that’s led to these players getting a false, overinflated sense of their own value to the club. You’d never get the arrogance of someone like Lingard who has been lucky to sit on the bench for much of his career here, because he didn’t get a ‘send off’.
Standards for young players we bring through should be higher both in terms of their attitudes on and off the pitch.
Seeing players that come through our ranks walk around the pitch and leak to the press thinking they’re the next Ronaldo because of a purple patch makes me sick
‘Busy Babes’, ‘Class of 92’. It’s what people throw back to in order to argue that we must give a player whose come through the system chance after chance after chance after chance - even if demonstrably unworthy. In turn I think that’s led to these players getting a false, overinflated sense of their own value to the club. You’d never get the arrogance of someone like Lingard who has been lucky to sit on the bench for much of his career here, because he didn’t get a ‘send off’.
Standards for young players we bring through should be higher both in terms of their attitudes on and off the pitch.
Seeing players that come through our ranks walk around the pitch and leak to the press thinking they’re the next Ronaldo because of a purple patch makes me sick
If Gary knew but he keep silent about it then he's just as disgraceful as Scholesy, both should've reprimended Lingard instead of taking benefit from it.
Yeah It used to be about Veron, Beckham, Keane, van Nistelrooy... now we are discussing about player who once spent a year without scoring or assisting.
He shove been moved on after youth team level. But due to falling standards he's been offered 1st team contracts.
That's where Eric Harrison was so good. Fergie to obvious
Yep, we’ve always had players like Lingard at the club academy, the difference is they’d be at Stoke or Bolton before they turned 21.
Reprimanded him? What on earth are you talking about? Neville can’t do shite, he’s no longer part of the club. Have a go at him yes but he can’t reprimand him!
Neville never too any benefit from it, just hinted he knew where the leaks were/are coming from. If anything he showed more dressing room respect than fecking Scholes. At least Neville knew when to shut the feck up. Scholes just blurted it out on live Tv! Players/ex players talk all the time, you don’t go spreading that shite about.
So you need to work for the club first to tell Lingard that leaking news to outsider is a thing you should never do??
Good, saves ETH some time and effort
Don’t try and pretend you’re from Manchester when you’re from Warrington! Not even the same county.
If (and it's a big if) Gary knew where the leaks were coming from, he probably felt staying quiet about it was in the best interests of the club, as releasing that information would do more harm than good. At the time he made the comment, United were still in with a shout of top four and in still in the FA Cup.
I have champagne in the fridge waiting to go.
Yeah I'm coming around to the idea that is one of our bigger problems.
You look at us bringing Ronaldo through and it can be seen as semi successful - he spent his best years elsewhere though so its a bit of a black mark and he was a useful player more or less the day he arrived, rather than us plucking him from obscurity and developing him into a world class player.
But then on the other side we built a future team of De Gea, the da silva twins, jones, smalling, nani, anderson all for sizable fee's and with the benefit of hindsight it just didn't work out well for us at all. And they're the success stories really - for each of them theres a dozen gibsons or buttners or obertans.
Same with the team and idea we built around recently. We gave Martial and Rashford in particular this crazy opportunity to lead the line for one of the biggest clubs in the world backed up by shaw, wan bisakka and mctominay with the idea we'd turn them into world class players. Even lingard and pereira got a good 6 months. And its kind of delusional when looked at in the cold light of day 3 years on.
You can develop players but turning wan bisakka into a ball playing full back is over rating our ability to improve players by such an outrageous margin it hurts. McTominay was shoe horned into a dm position that he's completely unsuited to because ... reasons? He doesn't have enough instagram followers to feature in a position higher up the pitch? There was no one else?
Martial and Rashford rather than being eternally grateful for the incredible opportunity and working their guts out for the guy who gave them a chance decided they were too tired to run after 6 months due to playing regularly and that they'd leave the defending to the peasants behind them. They'd arrived and their greatness was finally being recognised, after that know nothing, amateur Mourinho gave them grief. They didn't need to work on their game.
Lingard and Pereirra would have gotten a substitute appearance or 2 in a dead rubber and moved on more or less immediately 20 years ago. They'd have nothing but good things to say about the club afterwards. For some reason both are still Manchester United players
And there’s nothing wrong with wanting it to happen but we need to stop thinking every player we develop deserves five years in the first team because ‘class of 92’. That lot didn’t get and stay in the team because Ferguson thought he was obligated to do it - it happened because they were bloody brilliant players.
Scholes didn’t spend two years walking around the pitch thinking he had eight-stone bollocks with everyone being fine with it because he was a ‘local lad’. Someone is either good enough or not. Not being good enough but getting 300 games because he’s a local lad is nonsense
Talking about Manchester and Greater Manchester.
A 45+ page thread on his leaving the club is a perfect send off gift to JLingz.
His clothing line will take a bigger nose-dive than Graeme McDowall's...
I am having a party, you are all invited!
Yeah I knew Greenwood was from Bradford, but always thought Lingard was Mancunian having heard him speak in fairness.
I really don't care mate
what a drama queen.If what Moyes said is true, Ole rejected his approach for Lingard, then why do you think West Ham needs to put in a bid? Didn't make any sense on WH part to put in a bid and negotiate if the manager already said no.
Have you ever follow any United transfer saga all this years?
Good. You little wirepuller
You ok?