Jesse Lingard | Seoul singer

Pickle85 said:
He should stick to doing the job he's paid for. He's not a social media consultant, a brand adviser, or a digital content specialist. He's (nominally) a footballer. I'm no Luddite but it seems weird to me that a footballer would have any sort of say on a club's digital content strategy. It seems symptomatic of someone whose primary focus has shifted to pratting around on TikTok.
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Pickle85 said:
No but him having an opinion on social media strategy is like him having an opinion on the club's loan refinancing or IT infrastructure. It's baseless and only serves to emphasize that he really wants to be an influencer and not a footballer.
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Came here to say both of the above and to add in, the leech probably wanted United's social media to succeed, so that he could be a focal point, gain more followers and so his clothing business could piggyback on it.

Good riddance to him, average player who sounds so full of himself and who stayed far too long.
 
If he'd spent less time worrying about Man Utd's social media accounts and perfecting new dance moves, he might still actually be playing for the club.

So glad we got rid of him and his strictly come dancing partner Pogba.
 
edgecutter said:
It's no coincidence that leaks have diminished and squad harmony has improved with him leaving.
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We’ve had 3 players that previous clubs fans have slated as disruptive, arrogant or difficult (Djed Spence, Hendo and Lingard). All three have been brilliant for us, team players and fan favourites. For the record, Forest fans would love all three signed for next year and longer. Some of the comments on here are just bizarre. What ever industry you work in, you respond and work better in work places where you are appreciated and valued, its basic management skills but in football terms (that concern our two clubs) SAF had it, Mourinho has it, Cloughy had it and Steve Cooper has it. It’s not about the Marikanis family jetting Lingard here, there and everywhere to flatter his ego, they do that for a lot of players - it’s about Steve Cooper wanting to travel up to see Lingard at his home, to talk to his whole family about Forest, what the plan is and why he should sign. In a recent interview in the Athletic, Coops talked about how if you want exciting and creative players on the pitch, you have to encourage and foster creative outlets off the pitch, you have to talk to players regularly about family and what they do away from the club and how the club can help.
Being old, I barely understand half of what ever language Lingard speaks “Let’s goooo” or something. But, he’s hilarious, infectious and clearly a team player and from the behind the scenes media he and Forest put out. What ever issues United have, it ain’t Lingards fault.
 
Forest Red said:
We’ve had 3 players that previous clubs fans have slated as disruptive, arrogant or difficult (Djed Spence, Hendo and Lingard). All three have been brilliant for us, team players and fan favourites. For the record, Forest fans would love all three signed for next year and longer. Some of the comments on here are just bizarre. What ever industry you work in, you respond and work better in work places where you are appreciated and valued, its basic management skills but in football terms (that concern our two clubs) SAF had it, Mourinho has it, Cloughy had it and Steve Cooper has it. It’s not about the Marikanis family jetting Lingard here, there and everywhere to flatter his ego, they do that for a lot of players - it’s about Steve Cooper wanting to travel up to see Lingard at his home, to talk to his whole family about Forest, what the plan is and why he should sign. In a recent interview in the Athletic, Coops talked about how if you want exciting and creative players on the pitch, you have to encourage and foster creative outlets off the pitch, you have to talk to players regularly about family and what they do away from the club and how the club can help.
Being old, I barely understand half of what ever language Lingard speaks “Let’s goooo” or something. But, he’s hilarious, infectious and clearly a team player and from the behind the scenes media he and Forest put out. What ever issues United have, it ain’t Lingards fault.
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With all due respect, Forest are in no way comparable to United.

Henderson was competing with De Gea and Lingard was nothing more than a squad player at United, given the ego both have of their own playing abilities, they threw their toys out of the pram because they weren't "loved" and not starting week in, week out.

They are big fish in a little pond at forest, they both probably have the backing of the coaching staff as being "leaders" of the playing group and shown the love and adoration that both desire so much.

That's probably why they aren't negative influences in the Forest dressing room.
 
Forest Red said:
We’ve had 3 players that previous clubs fans have slated as disruptive, arrogant or difficult (Djed Spence, Hendo and Lingard). All three have been brilliant for us, team players and fan favourites. For the record, Forest fans would love all three signed for next year and longer. Some of the comments on here are just bizarre. What ever industry you work in, you respond and work better in work places where you are appreciated and valued, its basic management skills but in football terms (that concern our two clubs) SAF had it, Mourinho has it, Cloughy had it and Steve Cooper has it. It’s not about the Marikanis family jetting Lingard here, there and everywhere to flatter his ego, they do that for a lot of players - it’s about Steve Cooper wanting to travel up to see Lingard at his home, to talk to his whole family about Forest, what the plan is and why he should sign. In a recent interview in the Athletic, Coops talked about how if you want exciting and creative players on the pitch, you have to encourage and foster creative outlets off the pitch, you have to talk to players regularly about family and what they do away from the club and how the club can help.
Being old, I barely understand half of what ever language Lingard speaks “Let’s goooo” or something. But, he’s hilarious, infectious and clearly a team player and from the behind the scenes media he and Forest put out. What ever issues United have, it ain’t Lingards fault.
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There's a noisy, toxic side to our online fanbase but we aren't all like that. He struggled here, he got a lot of underserved abuse, and I'm glad he moved on. All the best to him... I don't have an opinion on his off field behaviour as I don't know him. Just didn't work out...
 
clarkydaz said:
Wayne Rooney took on the club questioning it's ambition. Lingard questioned it's social media reach.

Coming at a time people can barely heat their home, on strike for their jobs or have no hope of calling an ambulance. Staggering sense of entitlement caused by a soft club
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Lingard also questioned the ambition, you're just pretending to overlook it.
 
Too busy building his label and changing to J Lingz to care about what was going on in his football career feck off
 
Passitlikescholes said:
With all due respect, Forest are in no way comparable to United.

Henderson was competing with De Gea and Lingard was nothing more than a squad player at United, given the ego both have of their own playing abilities, they threw their toys out of the pram because they weren't "loved" and not starting week in, week out.

They are big fish in a little pond at forest, they both probably have the backing of the coaching staff as being "leaders" of the playing group and shown the love and adoration that both desire so much.

That's probably why they aren't negative influences in the Forest dressing room.
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I get that United are on a different level from us playing wise and yes fair enough, but it doesn’t change a persons personality or how they engage with their surroundings and fellow staff. If either Lingard or Hendo were as big a twats as some make out, then surely playing for a club like Forest who were at the time , playing shit, getting hammered every week and bottom of the league with the possibility of the manager getting sacked, make any disruptive behaviour more likely?
 
Passitlikescholes said:
With all due respect, Forest are in no way comparable to United.

Henderson was competing with De Gea and Lingard was nothing more than a squad player at United, given the ego both have of their own playing abilities, they threw their toys out of the pram because they weren't "loved" and not starting week in, week out.

They are big fish in a little pond at forest, they both probably have the backing of the coaching staff as being "leaders" of the playing group and shown the love and adoration that both desire so much.

That's probably why they aren't negative influences in the Forest dressing room.
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So, the logic here is that people with big egos get humbled when they go from small fish to big fish? That's certainly an opinion.
 
Forest Red said:
I get that United are on a different level from us playing wise and yes fair enough, but it doesn’t change a persons personality or how they engage with their surroundings and fellow staff. If either Lingard or Hendo were as big a twats as some make out, then surely playing for a club like Forest who were at the time , playing shit, getting hammered every week and bottom of the league with the possibility of the manager getting sacked, make any disruptive behaviour more likely?
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Well not really. Their training and willingness to devote themselves to training, wasn't necessarily being questioned. Rather the fact that the pair believed they were far better than what they were and should be starting, hence sniping/leaking to the press because they were considered nothing more than backup squad players.

And given Forest's ambitions are far lower than United's and that even survival in the PL (after just being promoted) is considered a struggle, you'd be hard pressed to lay all the blame at the off field social media discretions of Lingard, nor are Henderson and Lingard leaking to the press because they're disgruntled that they aren't starting
 
NotThatSoph said:
So, the logic here is that people with big egos get humbled when they go from small fish to big fish? That's certainly an opinion.
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So going from United to Forest, is small fish to big fish in your opinion is it? That's certainly an opinion.
 
Can't take a single fecking word he is saying seriously when there is zero self criticism.

A real man would admit also his own wrongdoings. 70% of the time he played he was an absolute trash can.

He can't move on and felt it neccessary to do such an interview because he knows the only thing that ever made him relevant in his career was this club. He should be eternally grateful that such a huge club stood up with his mediocrity year after year while paying him big money.

Instead goes on a negative tirade about the club and takes no responsibility for his own performances. This is exactly why myself and so many others couldn't wait to see him gone. Rubbish player and even more rubbish personality.
 
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So going from United to Forest, is small fish to big fish in your opinion is it? That's certainly an opinion.
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You yourself called him a big fish at Forest. Unless you want to say that he was a big fish in a big pond at United, what are you talking about?
 
NotThatSoph said:
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You yourself called him a big fish at Forest. Unless you want to say that he was a big fish in a big pond at United, what are you talking about?
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Nah I didn't say that, maybe before trying to take the piss out of other people's posts, you should actually understand what they're posting.
 
Becks_VII said:
I think they meant, going from being a small fish at United to a big fish at Forrest no?
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No, that's not what's causing the confusion here. The previous poster is assuming that I said their ego's were humbled by going from United to Forest, however, I said no such thing, he just assumed that because a normal person (in Lingard and Henderson's position) would have their ego's humbled. Again, I didn't make that assumption, nor said it in my post.

Given some of the recent interviews that Henderson and Lingard have given, their ego's have not been humbled, they blame everyone else for their problems and come across as still believing they should have been starters at United. Their ego's have certainly not been humbled
 
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sepulturite said:
Your a bit obsessed aren't you? Are you actually Jesse himself?
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I’m just sick of the vile takes that people have towards a fellow human being. The shit that this guy gets for simply existing is incredible. Also the fact that he gets paid a lot of money does not mean he has some sort of super power that stops him from experiencing such mental problems.

It’s attitudes like the ones in this very thread which contribute to why men don’t speak up when they’re upset when having mental issues & ultimately commit suicide.

It’s fecking disgusting.
 
Passitlikescholes said:
Well not really. Their training and willingness to devote themselves to training, wasn't necessarily being questioned. Rather the fact that the pair believed they were far better than what they were and should be starting, hence sniping/leaking to the press because they were considered nothing more than backup squad players.

And given Forest's ambitions are far lower than United's and that even survival in the PL (after just being promoted) is considered a struggle, you'd be hard pressed to lay all the blame at the off field social media discretions of Lingard, nor are Henderson and Lingard leaking to the press because they're disgruntled that they aren't starting
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Lingard was dropped a few times in the beginning - this was when he was still hoping to make the WC squad. His response was to admit he wasn’t playing well enough. Forests ambitions are a bit higher than just surviving too.
 
Forest Red said:
We’ve had 3 players that previous clubs fans have slated as disruptive, arrogant or difficult (Djed Spence, Hendo and Lingard). All three have been brilliant for us, team players and fan favourites. For the record, Forest fans would love all three signed for next year and longer. Some of the comments on here are just bizarre. What ever industry you work in, you respond and work better in work places where you are appreciated and valued, its basic management skills but in football terms (that concern our two clubs) SAF had it, Mourinho has it, Cloughy had it and Steve Cooper has it. It’s not about the Marikanis family jetting Lingard here, there and everywhere to flatter his ego, they do that for a lot of players - it’s about Steve Cooper wanting to travel up to see Lingard at his home, to talk to his whole family about Forest, what the plan is and why he should sign. In a recent interview in the Athletic, Coops talked about how if you want exciting and creative players on the pitch, you have to encourage and foster creative outlets off the pitch, you have to talk to players regularly about family and what they do away from the club and how the club can help.
Being old, I barely understand half of what ever language Lingard speaks “Let’s goooo” or something. But, he’s hilarious, infectious and clearly a team player and from the behind the scenes media he and Forest put out. What ever issues United have, it ain’t Lingards fault.
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just curious, but you’re saying Forest fans want Lingard for another year. Why? He hasnt produced anything of note? I get that he can be liked in the dressing room, but has he actually been doing much of note on the field? 1 assist in the league.

Another one I dont understand doesnt perform is Dennis, but thats another talk
 
UnitedSofa said:
I’m just sick of the vile takes that people have towards a fellow human being. The shit that this guy gets for simply existing is incredible. Also the fact that he gets paid a lot of money does not mean he has some sort of super power that stops him from experiencing such mental problems.

It’s attitudes like the ones in this very thread which contribute to why men don’t speak up when they’re upset when having mental issues & ultimately commit suicide.

It’s fecking disgusting.
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I agree with you about the mental health thing believe me, my sister is going through it all right now, it's incredibly tough. The same shit is going on the Sancho thread too, and I agree that it's disgusting, especially from a certain poster who should stick to GIFs.

But don't dismiss all posters as feeling that way just because they're aren't a fan of Lingard in general, or because of the way he behaved at certain times while at United, I have no problem admitting he annoyed the tits off me while he was a player here.
 
edgecutter said:
It's no coincidence that leaks have diminished and squad harmony has improved with him leaving.
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Henderson could be the source too. The way he feels entitled to things would make me think he could be the one. Funnily enough Rashford’s still here and no leaks. (Never thought it was him personally)
 
TheGame said:
Sorry quoted wrong word but still not a fan of when other parts of the interview say different. Sometimes it’s best to check the whole thing.
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No, you just made up some crock of shite to create an issue. I never said anything about anyone hating Ole. And no, unfortunately I don't actually have the time, nor the desire, to listen to a 70 minute Lingard interview; the excerpts will do fine.
 
The guy needs to move on.

He blew an opportunity most people would only dream of, the chance to be a great for your boyhood club and for what? To run a failed clothing line, practising his dance moves and worrying about his instagram following.

If I'm not mistaken he went a calendar year without a single goal or assist and he's an attacking midfielder?! You could put a ball and chain on a player and leave them in the 6 yard box and they'll still get something in that period.

Thank god this next generation of youngsters we have coming through don't have people like Lingard to look up to.
 
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Loony BoB said:
Read the BBC article and watched some clips.

Abuse from fans and problems with mum's health led to depression and I can totally understand that. Everyone goes on about how much money he earned... honestly, I save a lot of money while I'm depressed. I don't do much at all. I have more money than I need at those times. I don't even look at the bank account, it takes care of itself. Money doesn't buy you happiness is a cliché, but one based on copious amounts of people who have valid experiences. Once you can manage your utility bills, afford shelter over your head, afford warmth, food and health... honestly, money after that is nice and it gives some short term highs (holidays, events, etc) but generally it doesn't make you instantly wonderful and happy at all. People saying things equal to "this guy earned a lot of money so he has no right to talk about being depressed" - that's honestly pure ignorance. Either you've never been depressed, in which case congratulations (I wasn't depressed until I was in my 30s and very financially comfortable - it can happen for any kind of reason)... or you have been depressed but not financially stable, in which case I can sympathise with you, but still think you're being ignorant about it. Ignorance isn't always intentional, I respect that, I'm sure I'm ignorant of a huge amount of things too, such as what it's like to be black in a white-dominant country, or white in a black-dominant country, or to be pregnant, or whatever. But a little empathy goes a long way.

Generally speaking, I back what he's said about the club, I agree with pretty much all his thoughts on it. At least Lingard is focusing more on "the club needs to do better" rather than "I deserve to start every game, I'm amazing". I agree that if you're asked if you want time off it shouldn't be published to the media. I agree that having a manager ask about your mum when she's having problems is a good thing to happen. I agree the club needs better facilities, and that he deserved five minutes having been at the club as long as he was (people are comparing him to Januzaj who was here for just 4 years of his life, while Lingard was here for 22 years, how is that even comparable).

The website and social media management? Maybe that's a bit far. I'm not bothered about the lack of games room, although I can appreciate that it would be nice if I were at that level but I wouldn't speak about it to the media. It's probably the only area I can critique him on this interview from what I've been reading about what he said.

I agree with many saying that people are showcasing hatred and disgusting views in this thread. Lingard danced on TikTok sometimes and had a silly nickname. I don't like to dance, personally, and I don't like attention on social media... but I have absolutely had a silly nickname (it's right there, you can read it, I got it when I was 12 and it stuck for life). If he likes dancing and showing off his life on the internet, that's up to him. So long as he puts in the effort on the pitch, I don't mind. From all accounts, all the players and most of the managers appreciated and liked the guy, I don't recall constant criticisms about him not working hard enough, or not turning up on time, or anything like that. People just see a dude dancing and not scoring goals and they think he should be spending literally every single second of his entire life trying to become the next Messi. Even Messi and Ronaldo took holidays, and I'm sure they both spend time doing things they enjoy outside of football. If Lingard likes to dance on TikTok or Instagram or whatever, so be it. I don't care. People getting livid at him for it just come across as jaded and bitter.

I don't think Lingard is one of the greatest players we've had at all, I think he was a solid bench player and at times he did justify starting. I don't have any issues with his tenure here. And the things he is saying about the club, are, quite frankly, things that (games room aside) should be said, as they encourage change.

Ronaldo's interview was a billion times worse than this, though. Lingard talked about his personal issues and failings and didn't seem to have any disagreement with the club's assessment of his position or status within the club, he wasn't insisting (that I have heard/seen/read) that he should have been played more often, that he was better than anyone else. He was simply saying he should have got 5 minutes to say bye to the club (I agree), that the facilities should have been better (I agree), that the club shouldn't publish to the media that he requested time off when the club asked him first (I agree), that depression is rough (I agree), that family problems are hard (I agree), and his personal experiences with each of the managers (which weren't terrible assessments, he had at least some positive things to say about LVG, Mourinho and Ole).
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Well said
 
ROFLUTION said:
just curious, but you’re saying Forest fans want Lingard for another year. Why? He hasnt produced anything of note? I get that he can be liked in the dressing room, but has he actually been doing much of note on the field? 1 assist in the league.

Another one I dont understand doesnt perform is Dennis, but thats another talk
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He was playing well before he got injured. The front three of him MGW and Brennan were starting to click. It’s just a shame the whole team froze and OT. I think the issue was getting used to a team that predominantly is out of possession and hits on the break. He was brilliant against Spurs in the cup and deserved MOTM.
Dennis has earned the worst signing of the summer title and could even be moved on this window. When he manages not to fall over he can’t make a decision and loses the ball.
 
Robbie Boy said:
No, you just made up some crock of shite to create an issue. I never said anything about anyone hating Ole. And no, unfortunately I don't actually have the time, nor the desire, to listen to a 70 minute Lingard interview; the excerpts will do fine.
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Sounds like you were looking for an issue.
 
Loony BoB said:
Read the BBC article and watched some clips.

Abuse from fans and problems with mum's health led to depression and I can totally understand that. Everyone goes on about how much money he earned... honestly, I save a lot of money while I'm depressed. I don't do much at all. I have more money than I need at those times. I don't even look at the bank account, it takes care of itself. Money doesn't buy you happiness is a cliché, but one based on copious amounts of people who have valid experiences. Once you can manage your utility bills, afford shelter over your head, afford warmth, food and health... honestly, money after that is nice and it gives some short term highs (holidays, events, etc) but generally it doesn't make you instantly wonderful and happy at all. People saying things equal to "this guy earned a lot of money so he has no right to talk about being depressed" - that's honestly pure ignorance. Either you've never been depressed, in which case congratulations (I wasn't depressed until I was in my 30s and very financially comfortable - it can happen for any kind of reason)... or you have been depressed but not financially stable, in which case I can sympathise with you, but still think you're being ignorant about it. Ignorance isn't always intentional, I respect that, I'm sure I'm ignorant of a huge amount of things too, such as what it's like to be black in a white-dominant country, or white in a black-dominant country, or to be pregnant, or whatever. But a little empathy goes a long way.

Generally speaking, I back what he's said about the club, I agree with pretty much all his thoughts on it. At least Lingard is focusing more on "the club needs to do better" rather than "I deserve to start every game, I'm amazing". I agree that if you're asked if you want time off it shouldn't be published to the media. I agree that having a manager ask about your mum when she's having problems is a good thing to happen. I agree the club needs better facilities, and that he deserved five minutes having been at the club as long as he was (people are comparing him to Januzaj who was here for just 4 years of his life, while Lingard was here for 22 years, how is that even comparable).

The website and social media management? Maybe that's a bit far. I'm not bothered about the lack of games room, although I can appreciate that it would be nice if I were at that level but I wouldn't speak about it to the media. It's probably the only area I can critique him on this interview from what I've been reading about what he said.

I agree with many saying that people are showcasing hatred and disgusting views in this thread. Lingard danced on TikTok sometimes and had a silly nickname. I don't like to dance, personally, and I don't like attention on social media... but I have absolutely had a silly nickname (it's right there, you can read it, I got it when I was 12 and it stuck for life). If he likes dancing and showing off his life on the internet, that's up to him. So long as he puts in the effort on the pitch, I don't mind. From all accounts, all the players and most of the managers appreciated and liked the guy, I don't recall constant criticisms about him not working hard enough, or not turning up on time, or anything like that. People just see a dude dancing and not scoring goals and they think he should be spending literally every single second of his entire life trying to become the next Messi. Even Messi and Ronaldo took holidays, and I'm sure they both spend time doing things they enjoy outside of football. If Lingard likes to dance on TikTok or Instagram or whatever, so be it. I don't care. People getting livid at him for it just come across as jaded and bitter.

I don't think Lingard is one of the greatest players we've had at all, I think he was a solid bench player and at times he did justify starting. I don't have any issues with his tenure here. And the things he is saying about the club, are, quite frankly, things that (games room aside) should be said, as they encourage change.

Ronaldo's interview was a billion times worse than this, though. Lingard talked about his personal issues and failings and didn't seem to have any disagreement with the club's assessment of his position or status within the club, he wasn't insisting (that I have heard/seen/read) that he should have been played more often, that he was better than anyone else. He was simply saying he should have got 5 minutes to say bye to the club (I agree), that the facilities should have been better (I agree), that the club shouldn't publish to the media that he requested time off when the club asked him first (I agree), that depression is rough (I agree), that family problems are hard (I agree), and his personal experiences with each of the managers (which weren't terrible assessments, he had at least some positive things to say about LVG, Mourinho and Ole).
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Brilliant post buddy. Nobody is asking anyone to suck off Lingard but as a United fan if you can't have some empathy for a guy who's spent 20 plus years at the club then maybe supporting a club built on youth players is not for you.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Not sure what you mean by throwaway it just seemed like you were more interested in arguing than getting an answer.
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Wtf are you on about? Follow the conversation. I'm not the one making up things that other posters said.

The Reddit excerpt implied that Lingard ONLY praised LvG and Jose. That would suggest he intentionally left Ole out; now, considering there were rumours of Lingard being unhappy with Ole during his time here, it would suggest he 'wasn't a fan of Ole'. If someone listened to the full 70 minutes and he lavished praise on Ole, I have no issue, and pointed out that the excerpt was pretty odd in that case.

I'm not sure what conversation you are following, but that poster clearly quoted, and then mis-quoted me (lied actually) in an attempt to find a non-existent issue. You're obviously upset because, well as-per, Ole :(
 
GifLord said:
He was good for a whole month and people still believing he will come good almost a year after.
Then all the mental gymnastics started as to why he's still starting for us. Because he's a world class runner, he draws defenders to him...
This forum has gone so downhill in the last 10 years. It's at rawk levels of delusion when it comes to overpraising certain players.
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You’re free to go find another one then. How about looking in your own post history before slagging off everyone else?
 
Robbie Boy said:
No, you just made up some crock of shite to create an issue. I never said anything about anyone hating Ole. And no, unfortunately I don't actually have the time, nor the desire, to listen to a 70 minute Lingard interview; the excerpts will do fine.
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No you deduced he mustn’t have liked Ole because he wasn’t mentioned in an excerpt which is baffling. I didn’t listen to the whole interview, just saw an article on BBC.
 
TheGame said:
No you deduced he mustn’t have liked Ole because he wasn’t mentioned in an excerpt which is baffling. I didn’t listen to the whole interview, just saw an article on BBC.
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You're arguing with yourself at this point...

Robbie Boy said:
The Reddit excerpt implied that Lingard ONLY praised LvG and Jose. That would suggest he intentionally left Ole out; now, considering there were rumours of Lingard being unhappy with Ole during his time here, it would suggest he 'wasn't a fan of Ole'. If someone listened to the full 70 minutes and he lavished praise on Ole, I have no issue, and pointed out that the excerpt was pretty odd in that case.
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NotThatSoph said:
I am, but if that was a step too far lets go with this instead: Have you ever been less than impressed with anything at a place of work? I know I have.

As for little intimate knowledge, I'm kind of doubting that you're being serious here. Lingard is very obviously right about what he said. If you said that even though he is right he shouldn't care, or that even if he is right and that it's ok to care he shouldn't tell anyone, then ok I guess. But he is right. United's Internet presence is very bad, MUTV is trash (just ask anyone following the youth side).

It's also pretty strange to take what he's saying in isolation, when what he's doing is obviously commentating about the general state of the club. He and others have brought up United's sub-par facilities for the first team, on basically all levels: training, recovery, rehabilitation, recreation, data science and other forms of technology etc. Anyone following the youth teams will tell you that investment has been similarly lacking there compared to other top clubs. Why would you treat this as a standalone thing rather than as symptomatic of United's post-SAF woes?
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I'm absolutely being serious here. Lingard's frame of reference is unlikely to go significantly beyond what he sees of the club's social media output. Or do you think that he sits in on digital marketing strategy meetings after training? I lean more towards the latter of your two 'options' in the bolded - he shouldn't be airing this in the media, when it is something he's not involved in. As for him being right or wrong on it, it's really neither here nor there. He was an employee on the playing side of the club. Just because he makes some dreadful videos on TikTok does NOT make him a digital marketing professional and he should wind his neck in.

I'm not sure what you mean by your third paragraph? I'm not taking anything in isolation. I think speaking about his mental health is a good thing and I was interested in his takes on the managers he worked under, but that doesn't preclude me having an opinion on him talking about the social media side of things and the absolute lack of self-awareness that shows.
 
The audacity of this clown is mind blowing and always has been. He talks about City and how far we are behind, he would mown pitch grass at best if he was at City, while stealing a living out of United for years. At least have the self awareness to shut your mouth.
 
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