The way he runs is world class. No other player like him in the world. Be nice if he could do something with the ball though.
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No, because he is very protected by the English media. Clowns like Luckhurst were even praising him after the other night. It's bizarre.
I'm on the cheapest package, £10 a month, that includes all the data. I use it mainly for player stats like xG in the smaller leagues for work so I get everything I need with that package. You get about 20 minutes worth of video footage a month at that price as well.
Thank you.
That's from the last calendar year, you could say that Alexis Sanchez is more effective defensively than Lingard statistically, not sure if that means much though. Also ignore Dalot, he's just included because he's played on the wing a few times.
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.I could go back and check tackles, interception etc. I recorded the following: goals, assists, shots, shots OT, key passes, touches and passes. Would be like 4/5 hours work to go back through all the fixtures and throw in defensive stats. I'll probably get round to it eventually but need a break.
. In that case forget about it and great work on compiling the earlier stats.Imagine if martial had gone this long without scoring or assisting (even before his move to the 9). You think people would accept the excuse "his dribbling and runs with the ball are good" as an excuse to overlook stats? No doubt his English and academy status have people wanting to overstate lingards ok movement at times.
Time for him to get dropped. But for who exactly? The squad is thread fecking bare.
He is very clever as he makes it looks as if he is always busy. A bit like Ed Woodward during the transfer window where he makes himself look as if he is busy trying to buy a lot of players. Just like Lingard who looks like he is always running or doing something important.
Lingard’s greatest trick has been that he has convinced us that he is more athletic, more energetic and with better quality than one of our (nearly) world-class players, Alexis Sanchez.
A lot of people on this thread keep saying there’s a Pro-English/academy agenda.
Ever think any of you have an anti-english/anti-academy agenda? I mean you never shut up going on about it.
Ever think any of you have an anti-english/anti-academy agenda? I mean you never shut up going on about it.
Literally found space in between the Wolves defensive and midfield line when giving it to Rashford and then makes a secondary run to find himself unmarked at the edge of the box during the goal. He was not nearly as bad as people are making out on here at all.
I'd throw Gomes out there for the games where we know we'll have a ton of the ball.
That's not that many Prem games with the promoted teams and Brighton being relatively positive. Wolves, Newcastle, Burnley, Bournemouth, Southampton, Palace, Villa and Sheffield are the teams with less than 50% possession this year and I think Southampton that's a schedule thing, maybe the same for Villa, but even if you only count them coming to Old Trafford, now that we've played Wolves that's about 11-13 games (subtract a couple away games maybe Sheffield and Bournemouth) where you'd expect us to have a ton of the ball.
Is it really that crazy to think the optimal number this year is something like 10-12 starts for Gomes, 20-22 or so for Lingard (higher tempo games where he can perform more consistently with his pressing and space to carry the ball, at least for 60-70 minutes of running until someone else comes in) and let's say 5 times we stick Fred or Matic in midfield for tactical reasons or play 3 at the back and without a #10 or more obviously a 4-4-2 with proper wingers and Martial and Greenwood up front with James and Rashford out wide, again for tactical reasons.
I should have known you weren’t really interested in the answer to your question.
I could go back and check tackles, interception etc. I recorded the following: goals, assists, shots, shots OT, key passes, touches and passes. Would be like 4/5 hours work to go back through all the fixtures and throw in defensive stats. I'll probably get round to it eventually but need a break.
Lazy fecker.
You may have your own views on him to answer me. But in the end stats speak louder. Not good enough and should not start next match.
Most journalists seemed to think he played okay. Just United fans that I can see thought he was worst player on the pitch. Same most games
That was not the question you asked. Mine are opinions, yes, and you haven’t commented any of them beyond the patronising ‘beautiful words’ and the irrelevant to the question ‘no goals and assists’. (Unless you believe he is picked to play because the managers likes that he has no goals or assists.)
This makes it seem to me that you weren’t genuine in asking the question of why United keep this player, but that you don’t care and really just wants to repeat your own opinion that United should get rid of him.
If this is your football analysis of Lingards movement, I’m not impressed. The fact that you seem to believe that 20-30 different coaches at the Man United and England set up is being fooled by a player ‘making it look like he is busy’, makes me think you have been watching The Office for the wrong reasons.
Lingard should be scoring more goals, and should have a lot more assists.
I think what people are wanting to see is a clear upgrade to Jesse Lingard in the first 11. Now it's true he does serve his purpose in the current first 11 due to his off the ball work, but is it enough to keep a superior talent out of the team (Gomes) at the expense of good off the ball work in a very advanced position in the first 11? I don't think so.
Gomes may not be as good as Lingard at pressing/closing down, but can he produce better output in a attacking sense to compensate? I think with the evidence at hand the answer is YES. Some may even counter me by saying he hasn't proved anything in the first 11 etc. But he can only show his worth if he's given a opportunity, and many like my self want to see that opportunity sooner rather than later. I'd much rather see us sacrifice some off the ball work with Lingard in favour of potentially a bigger boost to our playmaking capabilities with Gomes who is a mercurial talent and is outstanding technically.
With Palace up next at OT (who I assume will defend in numbers) it's a good opportunity to bring in the maestro Gomes who potentially has the craft and guile to make a real impact in a position we seem to struggle in due to the non playmaking qualities of Lingard.
Gomes may not be as good as Lingard at pressing/closing down, but can he produce better output in a attacking sense to compensate? I think with the evidence at hand the answer is YES. Some may even counter me by saying he hasn't proved anything in the first 11 etc. But he can only show his worth if he's given a opportunity, and many like my self want to see that opportunity sooner rather than later. I'd much rather see us sacrifice some off the ball work with Lingard in favour of potentially a bigger boost to our playmaking capabilities with Gomes who is a mercurial talent and is outstanding technically.
With Palace up next at OT (who I assume will defend in numbers) it's a good opportunity to bring in the maestro Gomes who potentially has the craft and guile to make a real impact in a position we seem to struggle in due to the non playmaking qualities of Lingard.
A lot of journalists are typing out a news report whilst watching the game so they can get it out as soon as possible so they probably aren’t watching players as close as fans.
Gomes works off the ball just as well IMO. It's not like Lingard ghosts into great attacking positions either, he just works hard and moves around a lot. But his movement isn't dangerous as he rarely gets into goal scoring positions.
I'd say Lingard would be better as a CM personally. He does the dirty work and can pass the ball around plenty fine, and he's got the ability to dribble the ball through midfield at good pace.
Some coaches at Manchester United thought that Bebe was a great buy. Lingard is not a bad player but he is not a great player and that is what is needed at United. Someone mention that he was involved in the goal. To a certain extent he was but not as much as Shaw, Rashford or Martial. I would expect that any player who plays for a PL league club to be involved in some sort of a way in a goal.
Lingard is a decent player, and good enough to keep us pushing for a top four position. But if we want to push for the top spot, then Gomes is the one that will eventually come in to replace him. Gomes has the ability, close control and is more than likely to score the goals that Lingard very often misses, but we cannot play Gomes (same as Greenwood, Chong and Garner) every game. Think he will get minutes in the premier League (as all the youngsters will), but they will not be overplayed, and are more than likely to appear in the cup matches. Lingard, like Mata, will be a valuable squad member this season, but the team that starts next season will be a bit different to what it is now.
Pathetic. That sub is a haven for top reds and the downvote/upvote system pushes differing opinions out of sight. Massive echo chamber. Happens all the time over there, one of our shit players be it Young or Jones or in this case Lingard will come under scrutiny and some self-righteous poster will make a long winded post about how they're actually great and everyone criticising them is a bad fan. Agendas all over the shop.
Read that crap earlier. I have eyes and I have a brain. He's not good enough.
If you look at the match again you will see that is of the ball movement is not great at all. Especially against Wolves in the first half, he is often hidden behind players and not moving into space to be part of build up. So many times when Maguire, McTominay and Pogba got the ball in a midfield position and it was evident that the next pass was going out wide to Shaw (there was so much space between the right midfielder, right back and central defender) What did Lingard do then? Well, somehow he did not manage to anticipate the pass to Shaw and was found behind the Wolves midfielder. This is so basic that it's amazing to watch at this level. This is evident by his few involvements in general.
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Should of been benched! Especially against these
Sad part is when Lingard eventually is dropped we then have to suffer Mata rubbish performances.
I don’t know when Gomes would get his chance.
I don’t know when Gomes would get his chance.
I think he will have one of his 2 good games a season today
Why must every single manager have at least 1 player that is quite clearly absolutely fecking useless but they love and play every week
For Moyes it was everyone
For LVG it was Rooney and Fellaini
For Mourinho it was Fellaini, Young and Lukaku
And now for Ole it's fecking Lingard
For Moyes it was everyone
For LVG it was Rooney and Fellaini
For Mourinho it was Fellaini, Young and Lukaku
And now for Ole it's fecking Lingard
Lingard about to rubbish that tweet. August 2019 isn't over yet
Ridiculous that someone so limited is basically guarnteed to start every match for Manchester United.
It is truly sad to see the level of hate this lad gets, you may not rate him that high but come on, have a word with yourselves.
"Fans" on here always need someone to direct their frustrations at, Fellani, Young, Lingard, Smalling, Lukaku etc etc
Maybe try being a little more positive and get behind them, honestly the most spoilt fanbase in sport at times.
"Fans" on here always need someone to direct their frustrations at, Fellani, Young, Lingard, Smalling, Lukaku etc etc
Maybe try being a little more positive and get behind them, honestly the most spoilt fanbase in sport at times.
Apparently 112 midfielders in the Premier League have created more chances than Lingard since the start of last season. Damning.
He plays in one of the most imporant positions in the modern game. What do we get from it? Close to nothing. He creates nothing so he has close to no assists, he barerly scores any goals expect form a screamer every 4th month or longer. I can only hope Maddison is actually on Ole's radar. I struggle to believe that Ole doesn't see the same things we do. I even prefer Pereira over Lingard.
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