Harry Kane just gave him a look of utter disgust 
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Imagine him and Dele Alli in the same team, my fecking god.
He can go back to selling his half price perfume for the summer at least - smell like jlingz - no thanks
This guy is just so lucky to be on the money he is on.
He was pretty good.
Could have at least made himself useful and brought Sancho, DeLigt and Rashford in to a huddle last night to get the muppet juices going in to overdrive, however standard Lingard, some running around sometimes good sometimes poor but as per usual his use of the ball or making a decision absolute shambles.
Don't understand the hate tonight, he actually played quite well. Unlucky not to get the winner.
He always does play better for England strangely. I wonder if it's due to the slower tempo of International football.
He always does play better for England strangely. I wonder if it's due to the slower tempo of International football.
He played alright and you have to feel sorry for him; hes been practicising that celebration for weeks and it was for nothing.
Harry Kane just gave him a look of utter disgust
As anyone who has any inkling about football should.
He got to do the celebration. He was doing the Jlingz sign in front of the crowd after he scored. It was a nice practice celebration for his next goal which he will score in about... 5/6 months?
Given he's energetic and doesn't produce in the final third, that would the natural shift to make for him. However like many have alluded I don't think he has the defensive grit and physicality to produce in that role. You can get away with being an average passer in midfield these days if you make up for it either with physicality or dribbling ability. I don't think just stamina and movement will cut it.
I think Lingard has not been as good last year but maybe with faster play he will be better next season.
We should extend his contract just in case he is shit next season as well. Because season after next, or after next next he is surely gonna be great. Still young, local lad, it's just a matter of time.
Funny how I thought he did very well after he came on. Without VAR this was a goal all day long. Not saying he should be a starter at Utd but could be a useful part of the squad. But he isnt a winger at all.
The thing with Lingard for me is that he plays as an interlink of players. He isn't creative by any means - but what he always does is make the right move to the right place at the right time to return the ball to another player who has a freedom of space due to the run Lingard created.
It doesn't surprise me that when Rashford or Martial play well that so does Lingard play well as an interlinking pivot. In the season where Lukaku did good for Mourinho - Lingard again did well makings runs, providing tap back passes at a time when other attackers did useful things and had good performances.
I saw his interlinking ability when he plays as a SS behind a striker like Rashford against Chelsea or first Ole game vs Cardiff or when Lukaku played upfront under Jose.
I even see this occasionally when he falls deep providing a pivot type play to get Pogba more forward by receiving the ball off him and then allowing Pogba the freedom to make the run forward in to space. I even saw him do this well as a RWB once when he covered that position in a match after a sub.
Lingard for me has the ability to bulk up, slow down even possibly with age, work on his already decent pressing/tackling ability to be a bit of a pivot in midfield that aims to bring other midfielders from deeper positions forward. However this will definitely need a deep lying playmaker or a totally free anchor man to provide the cover in midfield.
I don't rate Lingard supremely highly - but if he buckles up and spends less time in the speedy forward areas and instead focus on doing the dirty work and bringing the midfielders up say him and Pogba in turn - I still think the lad can do well here. Not rating him to the bulkiness of Milner or Henderson but they do this exact thing because they make quick short passes across midfielders opening up spaces there before they make a pass in to the inverted forwards. They are not midfielders who dictate play by making finger knitting passes through the defence to Salah & Mane - they open up spaces first by short passes across midfield before finding the right spaces for the wingers or the wingbacks.
I see Lingard doing this when he ages and has to use intelligence & calmness more than just pure pace.
Don't really care what people think about me but I'd say that Klopp would take him on a free if he was available. Oxalade chamberlain, Llalana, Milner & Henderson don't do something in particular that Lingard couldn't atleast provide a decent back up for.
Strangely? With the desperate attacking football United have been producing for most of the last few seasons, I would find it more strange if the likes of Lingard didn’t play better for their national teams.
Well he is arguably playing with better players yes, but he just looks more individually dangerous in an England shirt.
The run for his disallowed goal for example, he rarely ever makes those sort of runs with United. If he did he'd score a lot more!
Not making excuses for the lad but England may not have WC players in every Diggle position - but they do play in a systematic and symmetrically imposing way.
At United players like Rashford, Martial, Sanchez, Lukaku, Lingard have been playing without a single RW who stretches out the defence. The defenders just sit at RB and the centre and our attack is easily handled by quantity even more so than just quality.
Im not rating him to any of our players - but I really don't see Mane doing so well at Liverpool if it was Mata who played on the RW for them because the defence can just load up on the LW to block Mane & the central areas.
Something so basic is going to effect a lot of our players & we still didn't play players like Sanchez much at RW even just for cover or use.
Yeah that's a good point, England do have an identity under Southgate which is why we've actually been doing quite well recently.
I think it's the clear reason why Rashford and Lingard look better under England.
Yep when it's international football it's hard to moan about quality first because you have to get the best with what you got. England currently may not have the best players across the first team but its clear everyone knows where to play and how they play. All players get played in their best positions and there is no gaps in the team when they go out tactically to face a team.
At United it can be argued that we don't have a RW, possibly not an attacking minded LB, a proper RB, not a single player that can attempt to pass properly from midfield apart from Pogba etc.
It is going to effect players playing in their best positions though even that can be argued to not properly happen.
Still don't want ! Hope some one like Bournemouth could swap him with one of their players like Brooks.
Over 5mil a year for below average squad player is just too much
Over 5mil a year for below average squad player is just too much
I can't stand him and want him out of our club, he was one of England's better performers last night though. Took his non-goal very well.
They'd just ask for £30-40m outright for Brooks. I highly doubt they'd want Lingard and his wages on their books.
What the hell are you talking about - Lingard IS the RW. He (and Mata) are the very reason we haven't "stretched out" defenses for the strikers. In every post, you make sure to tell us that you don't rate Lingard or he's just a squad player and then proceed to give a long treatise about how great he is or would be at something. All the fanboys want to be stealth fanboys now ("he's just a squad player" has become a code on the Caf for "I love Jesse but I'm afraid to say it publicly now") and the second he scores his next goal sometime in December, you'll all be creaming your jeans.
No. When the whole team is struggling I'm not going to suddenly point fingers out at a player an pin point one or two random players I don't like.
Pogba is rubbish.
Martial is rubbish.
Rashford is rubbish.
Lukaku is, Sanchez is, Lindelof is, Smalling is, Young is - why the hell would I blame Lingard for this.
I don't have supremely high expectations of him but I'm not willing to give up on him until I see the whole team is good enough and then he struggles. He plays a type of football that is more in line with some of the more important players in the club, he has won cups for us, every manager uses him, has decent performances for England etc. He does well when the rest of the team is doing well.
The moment we do well and Lingard sticks out like a sore thumb for being out of his depth like quentin fortune or Obertan then I'd tell him to leave but he doesn't right now because the whole squad is struggling.
As I said - Mane from Liverpool would struggle here due to the sheer imbalance of our squad and its positioning only.
I want to fix the balance of the squad and its tactics & then if Jesse isn't good enough then get him out.
Although I agree with the idea that because we are so unbalanced as a team it causes issues and closes off space for others to exploit that doesn’t excuse how terrible Jesse is on the ball or making decisions on the ball. He’s a serial killer of moves because he doesn’t see the pass and you can see players on the pitch getting verbally frustrated with his general lack of awareness of what is around him. Not to mention his obsession of everything must go to Rashford.
His movement is also very hit and miss and as said before on here, lots of movement doesn’t equal quality movement because he closes off more spaces than he opens.
I wouldn’t sell him mind as he is a squad player and should be kept as such as he can do a job.
Talks opening over a new contract and pay rise upto 130 thousand a week.
This should make a lot of people happy
This should make a lot of people happy
This club's truly doomed.
I don't mind him as a player, but the club needs to reward players who improve, Jesse certainly has not improved as a player over the last 12 months, so for me he's welcome to his current contract minus the 25%? CL qualification payments he helped the team not obtain.
Worth it just to see people fume.
Ole sees him as the future of United and does not want to lose him .
If we are lucky enough that he accepts the 130 000 a week and does sign a new contract I hope he gets the no 7 shirt too
Wouldn't take it that far
Hey think of how many shirts we would sell of Lingard 7. Pay for his rise ten times over .
Pretty soon rumours that Barcelona have him on their radar. Such a young potential player!
If true, then indeed we are.
God, we're a joke. Other big teams would've got rid of him ages ago.
The only ManUnited player Barca should after.
His movement and style will fit Barca perfectly. He can cause havoc in opponents defence by dragging defenders out of place and it will let Messi do his things. He's adept at starting a false counter attack (countering really fast only to track back when He's a only few metres from the box and then He can pass to Messi).
He can also be a poacher, a false 10 (AM who always trackbacks to help RB), a false winger (a Right winger that never beats the fullback and cutting inside every time) and making false runs all over the pitch (He will run and work really hard to make the opponents think He's doing something important even though He isn't - catching them off guard).
And He is also very trendy. Definitely born to be a Barca player.
His movement and style will fit Barca perfectly. He can cause havoc in opponents defence by dragging defenders out of place and it will let Messi do his things. He's adept at starting a false counter attack (countering really fast only to track back when He's a only few metres from the box and then He can pass to Messi).
He can also be a poacher, a false 10 (AM who always trackbacks to help RB), a false winger (a Right winger that never beats the fullback and cutting inside every time) and making false runs all over the pitch (He will run and work really hard to make the opponents think He's doing something important even though He isn't - catching them off guard).
And He is also very trendy. Definitely born to be a Barca player.
If this happens I wont spend a single penny or my time on UTD until he leaves the club (Tickets/Travel/Jersey/Training gear/Anything from Megastore/Skysports membership/matchday pub expenses/MUTV membership/Time on Redcafe/Betting on UTD/Chevrolet/Kohler Products/
call me what ever you like but I still have Sharp TV, Drive Audi and with Vodafone as all these were some how connected to UTD in the past.
We need proper people to run this club and only way they can understand this is if we stop spending on UTD.
call me what ever you like but I still have Sharp TV, Drive Audi and with Vodafone as all these were some how connected to UTD in the past.
We need proper people to run this club and only way they can understand this is if we stop spending on UTD.
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Does "false" just mean cannot do?
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