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Very sensible post.
I have news for you. When you put forward a contentious opinion, that is an argument, and because you think it is right, doesn't make it fact.
The 95% is a guess. I am not going to do the math, but neither are you stating facts. You have just blustered about how you feel, as though that should be enough to change opinions.
If any mod's wish to check through this thread for examples where I may have broken any rules, feel free to hand me any infractions due.
We have a special type of flower here, who thinks they have been slighted by the nasty Internet man.
I’ll just put this here in case you missed it as I was in edit when you responded.
Side note your maths is incredibly off if you think it’s anywhere near 95%
There are different types of no.10.
He isn't a play maker. More a support striker who plays short interchanges, and drops back to mid when we lose the ball. He still occupies that area.
Expectations for Lingard were very low because of how poor he had been prior to his good run of form this season. He had an excellent patch and deserves to be in the team right now, but he has been very mediocre again the last few matches so hopefully that isn't a sign of him reverting back to how he was in seasons past. Either way, We need a proper quality player in the #10 position for next season, with Lingard playing as a squad player.
You do understand how many attacking players there are in the league don't you?
Include cup goals and assists. Divide by minutes played. See what you get.
I haven't the time or inclination, but you have the opportunity to get one over on the nasty man.
He has been playing in a more withdrawn role since Jose has tried to accommodate Sanchez. Same with Pogba. I don't know what Mourinho is playing at.
Aye this.
I long thought he wasn't good enough for Utd but he's had a good season and he's been proving me wrong.
However it's fair to say the last 2 or 3 games he's been poor, and against Newcastle he was dreadful. Hopefully he bounces back on Saturday.
Well he's kept you out of this thread for a while.
I made a concerted effort to be fair!
No problem with Lingard the squad player but Lingard starter in away games we need to win or big games keeping the likes of Rashford or Martial out then no chance. I’d honestly rather buy Bale or Griezman and play shoehorn them than play Lingard as I really don’t rate him. I get the same frustration as watching TC23 when he played and then the Lingard supporters on here give me pelters (sometime rightly so) as he winds me up.
No problem with Lingard the squad player but Lingard starter in away games we need to win or big games keeping the likes of Rashford or Martial out then no chance. I’d honestly rather buy Bale or Griezman and play shoehorn them than play Lingard as I really don’t rate him. I get the same frustration as watching TC23 when he played and then the Lingard supporters on here give me pelters (sometime rightly so) as he winds me up.
Totally agree and I feel the same way. I'd give Jesse one or two more games as the starter as he has earned it and if he doesn't improve on the past few weeks id put Herrera alongside Matic and push Pogba forward, putting Lingard on the bench.
In the Summer, Griezmann would be the ultimate signing IMO unless Jose wants to buy a top class CM and move Pogba forward which I wouldn't be against (for what it's worth I think we need a CM regardless). I just can't see Jose changing formation completely in year 3.
We are literally shoehorning him in the team to not playing 4-3-3. I will use mctominay instead & let pogba play on the left. Lingard should only be a squad player
Think the thread title needs changing back. His super Saiyan transformation seems to have finished and he's been poor the last 2/3 games.
Messi Lingod is a thing of the past
Messi Lingod is a thing of the past
He's done well this year, but for me we should be playing 4-3-3 to get the best out of Pogba, and you can't play that effectively with Lingard in the side.
More like Krillin than Goku San at the moment.Think the thread title needs changing back. His super Saiyan transformation seems to have finished and he's been poor the last 2/3 games.
Messi Lingod is a thing of the past
'Twas always going to be a purple patch, let's be honest.
Few good games doesn't change the fact that he is very average footballer with very average attributes , not even intelligent player
Even darmian/fellaini/welbeck/cleverley can have few good games just like any footballer doesn't mean they are less shite
Even darmian/fellaini/welbeck/cleverley can have few good games just like any footballer doesn't mean they are less shite
So fickle.. Jesse against Burnley has been the only one to pull us out of a whole this year.. Don't care what most people think but I'm taking Lingard over Martial most days, bar home games against weaker teams when we're gonna get 70% of the ball and 20 shots .. Lingard is the most reliable, him and Sanchez should be the two off Lukaku every day.. against Weaker teams we can put Mata or Martial in with them but Id have them two on every day .. His movement is ridiculous, and he gives it absolutely everything .. Has the mentality for big games too .. He is to JOSE what PARK was to Fergie .. Martial will turn out to be the NANI IMO..
Don't insult park like that.
Park at least
Has talent
Had lot of good games ( often MoTM when he played against big team )
Strong tackler
Relentless
The only attribute lingard actually has is his off-the ball movement & it wasn't even that fast , he is weak , has no vision , has no tricks , a bad passer
The other stuff from him was just a fluke , Everyone can have their good days once in a while even you & me. Whenever he had a good game i am always sure it's just purple patch & now he is back to his actual level
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The implication that Lingard does not have talent is wummishly daft.
You don't score the kind of goal he did at Watford in December if you don't have talent. You don't put a half volley top bins in the last minute at Wembley to win an FA cup as a fluke. You don't come on at half time with your team two down and side flick a ball into the net and bang another in injury time to bring it level if you're a poor player. You say Park is a good tackler but so is Lingard,remember his goal against Arsenal? He pressed Mustafi and forced him into mistake. I actually think one of his main attributes is his pressing and tackling .. the 2-0 against champions elect Chelsea last year , played rash and jesse as a two up front and gave David Luiz a migrane with their closing down.. Should be in our team every day
Huddersfield 0:2 Man Utd
Another crap game from our overrated Messi Lingard
Could easily had an assist if he was actually as good as his fans thought.Another crap game from our overrated Messi Lingard
He is back to his normal self , an average self
I reckon if it was him , not mata , lukaku won't score the first goal , he never pass in front of player , always right on their feet or behind them ruining our counter attack
If it FIFA , he only have 3 functional buttons. X, O and R2
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Naah.
Keep it, it's the first season (Season 17-18) where he showed this kind of Divine form, and the season is not yet ended.
Some more games to gain his blessings.What's with posters rushing in to have a moan about a player who came on as a late sub during a game we won?
What's with posters rushing in to have a moan about a player who came on as a late sub during a game we won?
I am somehow reminded of vultures.
I think Jose has managed the squad brilliantly so far. Yes our style of play has been poor but the balance of players has not been great either.
Yes he’s bought big so you expect him to address this (although when you look in our league alone the competition is rife with City outspending every team in the world, Chelsea spent fortunes as have us and Liverpool spending £75m on a defender Spurs have a very good team and broke their transfer record on a teenager so winning although arguably tougher or not in some regards and easier in others but a much different number of challenges to years gone bye imo) player recruitment was Jose big dilemma in my opinion. Moving players on and bringing players in.
Now we had a lot of deadwood LVG recruitment was horrendous and could still play a part in us becoming a Liverpool after their domination of the 80s.
Jose has had the dilemma of how to spend his budget. Does he go for balance first (buying players to fit a formation ie specialist players he talks about and loves) or the best players on the market to take us up a level and then address the balance with lesser players?
I think he’s went the right way as he’s done a bit of both but mostly in key positions spent big on potential world class players (certainly better players than we had) and upped the level of our squad.
Not sure the media portray the extent of the job Jose had/has in comparison to Pep and arguably Conte as the squads they inherited were years ahead of us imo.
Our only true world class player was our GK and outside him Valencia was our only other top performer.
Too many question marks over the likes of Shaw Smalling Jones Carrick Rooney Depay Herrera Mata Darmain Lingard Blind Rojo if we are being honest and also Rashford and Martial but we expected that as they are kids but I think Jose is handling those two very well and will be LVGs gift to us in a couple of years.
But as expected these many of these ? Marks have not disappeared over these players and some more have actually appeared. So these guys need moved on (not all of them obviously) and hopefully in fact I’m convinced when Jose gets the balance more correct then we see a better pattern of play and a more free flowing game but right now it’s all about winning and as much as Liverpool Spurs Chelsea and not ruling out Arsenal as they are capable with their attack to beat anybody are all easier on the eye to watch.
I think Jose is bringing in players that are actually gearing us up to compete with them (actually better them) nicely going forward both long and short term. Matic just improved us tenfold, Pogba is something else, Sanchez is up a level to anything we had, Lukaku will get us 30 goals a season and if his overall play is not still there then Jose will eventually move him to bench and buy or put Sanchez there imo. Bailey looks a real find. Myktaryin was disappointing but evened our a little with EL success and part in Sanchez deal and lindelof needs time but I’m not yet convinced. Zlatan for me was a catalyst for EL victory and carried our averageness of our squad for a year. Was he brilliant definitely no but he was on course for 30 goals a year in a new league (supposedly toughest to join and settle due to physical and demanding schedule) and at his age what he actually achieved was phenomenal imo.
Can’t help but feeling if we hang onto Jose for any few years he will either has us challenging for everything like he has with every club he’s been at. Or at worst leave the next manager with one of the best squads in Europe much unlike what LVG did.
My advice would be give him time City are ahead of us right now no doubt but this will change and we need to be realistic and patient and good times will come. Jose has already brought us trophies and upped the level of players we have. We can outspend Liverpool and Spurs so we should really pull away from them given time but right now they have arguably better teams and it’s not easy as they can compete for the top potential players also but we are still above them and that’s Jose all over for me.
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seriously what's wrong with people, he played 10 mins in a won game we were already sitting back, defending the lead, he got a nice one two, and then that chance when he misplaced pass, that happens to everyone. Commentator even called him Sanchez once running with the ball, so he's still good enough to start for me, was just rested..What's with posters rushing in to have a moan about a player who came on as a late sub during a game we won?
Get the sense that the few moaners above have been watching this thread for months like spoiled kids that aren't getting the sweets, waiting for a performance that's less than 8 out of 10 haha
Sanchez missed an open goal two games ago for feck sake
Sanchez missed an open goal two games ago for feck sake
Lingard has taken a backseat now that Sanchez is at the club. It looked like Lingard was un droppable at the beginning of 2018 but now we have a superior player in Sanchez the team dynamics have changed.
Sanchez is that free moving, tecnhically good, forward in our team now. Lingard has been playing deeper ever since Sanchez came.
Sanchez is that free moving, tecnhically good, forward in our team now. Lingard has been playing deeper ever since Sanchez came.
Not much he could have done in that game, he came on when the game was won and we were happy to just keep the ball.
One thing he does need to improve is his assists, he gets into good areas but lacks that final pass.
One thing he does need to improve is his assists, he gets into good areas but lacks that final pass.
Our second highest scorer of the season I believe. People looking for reasons to criticize him look a bit silly. And I say that a someone who wasn't a particularly big fan of hi.
Man Utd 2:1 Chelsea
OMDZ LINGARDINHO
Wakanda forever, great celebration Jessi!
He's done it again.
Who would have thunk it?
Player running off the ball creates a goal.
Player running off the ball creates a goal.
Purple patch? Maybe, maybe not but he’s still scoring isn’t he?
Hero.
Jesus Lingod.
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