[Paul the Wolf]

Fair point, technically he's joint 5th assister, only 1 behind though.

Stats can only be misleading when given no context though Paul. For Lingard to have that high percentage is impressive given he's an attacker, he's not a sideways passer either. I do think he has clear problems in his game though and I also think the purple patch of form is coming to and end.

My problem with United though is our team balance, for me it's entirely wrong throughout the team so we get disjointed performances from our players.

Well Pogba has 9 and the others have 5 but anyway.
Yes our team is unbalanced and all the players are suffering.
Two of our worst performances have been with the team we played yesterday and against Spurs. It doesn't work.

I wouldn't play Martial on the right and I wouldn't play Lingard on either wing.

Mourinho has to solve the conundrum.

 

[iKeano]

About you being a negative bellend? Nope, still vocal.

Just checked your recent activiy... full page of absolute positivity right there haha

Stay vocal.

 

[Antonedwin]

I've already said that he wasn't good enough.

One match take away from the fact that he's been one of our best players in the last 3 months, even if you won't admit it.

Few match with some lucky goals took away from the fact that he has been shite for years.

Squad option at best. Guy can't do a nice through pass , slow, weak , has no trickery , have no vision , that's has always been his main attributes.

 

[Silas]

Few match with some lucky goals took away from the fact that he has been shite for years.

Squad option at best

Lucky? Seriously?

 

[Antonedwin]

Lucky? Seriously?

When you shot from distance & it goes to the top right/left corner . Yes , half of it happens because of luck

He is back to what he actually is without all those luck

 

[Silas]

When you shot from distance & it goes to the top right/left corner . Yes , half of it happens because of luck

Or.. you aim there?

 

[haram]

Some people just want him to fail.

 

[Verminator]

Quiet in here now...

Your dedication to making a fool of yourself is strange but admirable.

 

[Raees]

I hope people in their desire to see a 4-3-3 (I am one of them).. don't take to shitting on Jesse whenever he has a bad game. No need for that.

He can easily fill in for say Pogba if there is an injury to him or if Pogba is out of form (in a Di Maria at Real Madrid type role), likewise fill in a wing position. He's here to stay and we need to see him as a proper United player and stop acting like his career is always on the line after a bad game.

Support him, don't kill him.

 

[Toad]

Our first choice three behind the striker should always be Sanchez, Mata and Lingard in my opinion. Martial and Rashford should come in off the bench to replace Lukaku or any of the three behind. I think Lingard Mata and Sanchez can build a good understanding between them in those positions.

But I’d rather change the formation to incorporate Martial and Rashford a lot more instead of Mata and possibly Lingard.

 

[Godfather]

Godmode pretty much over

 

[Irish Jet]

Almost like smashing in worldie's from 25 yards is tough to sustain.

He had a great patch of form. It happens. People got carried away. He's still a solid squad player but that is all he will be. We should not be altering our transfer plans to allow for Lingard in the starting XI.

 

[Ardis]

Good point. He is a good squad player to play when in-form, but not a top player. His limitations will be exposed during the WC when England crash out - as always - in the earlier stages of the competition.

 

[Verminator]

Good point. He is a good squad player to play when in-form, but not a top player. His limitations will be exposed during the WC when England crash out - as always - in the earlier stages of the competition.

If that is how he is going to be judged, then Gazza, Scholes,Robbo, Adams, Becks etc are all shit.
Give your head a wobble.

 

[SteveTheRed]

When you shot from distance & it goes to the top right/left corner . Yes , half of it happens because of luck

He is back to what he actually is without all those luck

Have you ever played football? Hitting it in the top corner is not luck, it's a practiced skill. What a stupid comment.

 

[JK-27]

In today's era of Man City, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG, even Juventus - teams who are walking their domestic leagues and a real threat in the CL, you can not afford to have players you need to carry in your team if you want to have any chance of success.

Too often Lingard doesn't perform, is naive in attack and a liability in defence. The team carry him. Youth is no longer an excuse, he's 25. Inexperience is no longer an excuse, he's got nearly 100 league games and 8 England caps. If he was good enough, he'd be part of the spine of the team, one of the first names on the team sheet - but he's not, and he won't be. We should let him go elsewhere.

 

[lsd]

Some people just want him to fail.

Off course they do theres people here praying he plays poorly every match so they can quickly paste in their posts the second one of his passes goes astray .

 

[Ardis]

That's certainly one way to judge a player - the big stage. I don’t need to give my head a wobble, laddy paddy. Another big stage is the CL.

Once again, I do believe he will show his limitations in front of the Andalusian crowd against Sevilla, should he play of course.

 

[Ardis]

He feels like your typical mid-table PL player that won't ever become world class. Just ask Aaron Lennon, he knows the feeling.

 

[Verminator]

That's certainly one way to judge a player - the big stage. I don’t need to give my head a wobble, laddy paddy. Another big stage is the CL.

Once again, I do believe he will show his limitations in front of the Andalusian crowd against Sevilla, should he play of course.

George Best never played in a W.C.
Is the jury still out on him?

Even the best players fail in their national teams due to many variables.
Messi is bobbins too, isn't he?

 

[Andersons Dietician]

I feel just like Zlatan last year him being in the team weakens the possible performance. No doubt he has scored some crackers, but his all round game just isn’t good enough. I think him being there affects some of our players. We really need someone who can play disciplined, control the tempo, keep the ball and pop it about and help set a rhythm for the team.

 

[Verminator]

I feel just like Zlatan last year him being in the team weakens the possible performance. No doubt he has scored some crackers, but his all round game just isn’t good enough. I think him being there affects some of our players. We really need someone who can play disciplined, control the tempo, keep the ball and pop it about and help set a rhythm for the team.

1) Like who? Who do we have that does that?

2) That is the job of the central midfield. It is not his role.

3) Look how static and disjointed we are without him in the 10 role.

4) Has anyone been in better form through the middle part of this season?


I truly despair at some of the crap spouted on here.

 

[Ardis]

What are you talking about? Messi was one of the best players during the last WC. Jesse on the other hand, is a mediocre English PL player that will never shine when it really matters.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

1) Like who? Who do we have that does that?

I did say “we need” not we have. Personally I think Herrera in there and you’ll get a better more balanced team.

2) That is the job of the central midfield. It is not his role.

last few games it is where he has been deployed, probably why he has dropped off, or just showing that his actual ability.

3) Look how static and disjointed we are without him in the 10 role.

look how static and disjointed we are with him in the team, his runs are terrible, he closes off space for others, Doesn’t show for the ball and when he does it’s to knock it straight back, can’t play it’s his back t goa at all, absolutly kills moves with his lazy, slack passing the only thing that is good is the persistent motion. It might not be intelligent running but a broken clock is right twice a day.

4) Has anyone been in better form through the middle part of this season?

He honestly hasn’t been that good bar scoring a few decent goals, there is a wider game afoot than just him doing something good for 6 seconds

I truly despair at some of the crap spouted on here.

why not just write something like I don’t agree instead of disrespecting someone. If you want to have an adult discussion about it the crack on.

 

[Canagel]

You can't have a player like Lingard playing in the number 10 role. It doesn't make any sense. He isn't a Coutinho, Eriksen, Ozil, Silva playmaker type. I would push him further up the pitch closer to Lukaku and not have him building up the play because literally most attacking moves breakdown because of him. His passing isn't good enough to be a number 10 but he can be a real threat as a second striker or as a part of a front 3.

 

[Verminator]

Good point. He is a good squad player to play when in-form, but not a top player. His limitations will be exposed during the WC when England crash out - as always - in the earlier stages of the competition.

What are you talking about? Messi was one of the best players during the last WC. Jesse on the other hand, is a mediocre English PL player that will never shine when it really matters.

His limitations will be exposed during the WC when England crash out - as always - in the earlier stages of the competition.
So if England get knocked, as they always do, it will because of Lingard's limitations?
Does that apply to anybody else?

 

[Loublaze]

When you shot from distance & it goes to the top right/left corner . Yes , half of it happens because of luck

He is back to what he actually is without all those luck

Contender for worst post of 2018 so far.

 

[Verminator]

I did say “we need” not we have. Personally I think Herrera in there and you’ll get a better more balanced team.
Yet you are levelling that as a fault of Lingard.

last few games it is where he has been deployed, probably why he has dropped off, or just showing that his actual ability.
Played out of position, his performance suffers, just like any other player? Agreed..

look how static and disjointed we are with him in the team, his runs are terrible, he closes off space for others, Doesn’t show for the ball and when he does it’s to knock it straight back, can’t play it’s his back t goa at all, absolutly kills moves with his lazy, slack passing the only thing that is good is the persistent motion. It might not be intelligent running but a broken clock is right twice a day.
This is rhetoric and fabrication.

He honestly hasn’t been that good bar scoring a few decent goals, there is a wider game afoot than just him doing something good for 6 seconds
If only somebody else was doing it!

why not just write something like I don’t agree instead of disrespecting someone. If you want to have an adult discussion about it the crack on.
Because agenda driven bullshit is tiring.

 

[Ardis]

Who said England will crash out of the WC ONLY because of Lindgard's limitations? I sure didn't. England will crash out of the WC way too early because there are a heap of limited English players AND the crappy tactical knowledge of your typical British coach

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Well seeing as you can’t have an adult conversation there is no point on continuing. You’re just disrespectful. You want to talk about ‘agenda driven bullshit’ what exactly is the agenda you think people have. Just because people don’t agree with your vision of what’s happening you take the easy out and claim it’s an agenda. What is the agenda? Everyone wants the best for the team, some people just don’t think Lingard is the man to bring us up a level and we can improve on that. Doesn’t mean it’s an agenda.

Also hasn’t Martial scored a few important goals for us as well? So there is your someone else. Also no it isn’t fabrication it’s just someone interpretation of what they see on the field.

And yes I am labelling that at Lingard because the way he plays inhibits others.

@Verminator

 

[rooneyaldo]

I think its time to change the name back to Jesse Lingard.

 

[Antonedwin]

Contender for worst post of 2018 so far.

i don't like watching mediocre player and defend them all the time, take away all lingard goal and he look more average than my gardener

 

[Loublaze]

i don't like watching mediocre player and defend them all the time, take away all lingard goal and he look more average than my gardener

Another terrible post. Lingard has exceeded expectations for this season already.

 

[Shamwow]

i don't like watching mediocre player and defend them all the time, take away all lingard goal and he look more average than my gardener

Better yet - turn them all into own goals and he'd be the worst player in the league by far! #science

 

[horsechoker]

Better yet - turn them all into own goals and he'd be the worst player in the league by far! #science

Yes but if you turned all of his shots into goals then he'd be the best player in the Premier League.

 

[Lawman]

Another terrible post. Lingard has exceeded expectations for this season already.

How expectation levels are so low now is an indicator of where we are right now. Lingard scored around 1 league goal last year and 3 assists so my expectations of him started very low to be fair.

 

[Robbie Boy]

He's by-and-large had a good season but he's been a-bit shit lately.

 

[Verminator]

Well seeing as you can’t have an adult conversation there is no point on continuing. You’re just disrespectful. You want to talk about ‘agenda driven bullshit’ what exactly is the agenda you think people have. Just because people don’t agree with your vision of what’s happening you take the easy out and claim it’s an agenda. What is the agenda? Everyone wants the best for the team, some people just don’t think Lingard is the man to bring us up a level and we can improve on that. Doesn’t mean it’s an agenda.

Also hasn’t Martial scored a few important goals for us as well? So there is your someone else. Also no it isn’t fabrication it’s just someone interpretation of what they see on the field.

And yes I am labelling that at Lingard because the way he plays inhibits others.

@Verminator

You are far too precious if you think I'm being disrespectful.

I showed where I disagreed with you. If you have no better retort than, " I see no point arguing..." then perhaps you're no convinced by your own argument.

I'll just leave it with :- he has been more productive than 95% of attacking players in the league..

 

[Shamwow]

Yes but if you turned all of his shots into goals then he'd be the best player in the Premier League.

Not if you did both because his shots would become goals and those goals would become own goals so he'd be getting more own goals than prime Carragher.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

You are far too precious if you think I'm being disrespectful.

I showed where I disagreed with you. If you have no better retort than, " I see no point arguing..." then perhaps you're no convinced by your own argument.

I'll just leave it with :- he has been more productive than 95% of attacking players in the league..

Oh I’m not arguing I’m just explaining to you why I’m right.

Also I wrote below that initial sentence more reasoning, so that kinda counters your “retort” in your last response precious. Oh and is that a verified stat that he is 95% more productive or is that a Trump fact? Because it sure sounds like one.

As for being disrespectful it says right above the response box how the forum is supposed to go.

Anyway you’ve written nothing that is legit about Jesse in your response so i’ll Write a little more. People seem to get offended when people say he just doesn’t fit in the team. It’s not to say he is t a decent player but in reality he is a squad player. Now you’re saying he is a number 10. Well if that is the case we can get a far better number 10 if that is how Jose wants to play. Recently he has deployed him in a 3 of sorts, so if that is where he is going to play in the future we can get a better CM/CAM for that role. Jesse will always be handy, however his overall game isn’t there and he has many limitations that limit the team.

I pointed out he kills a lot of our play with lazy and sloppy passing and you said that was fiction was it not? Yet just watch the Newcastle game for about 10 examples. Especially the ball out to Young that killed all the momentum. You can also look back on the various other games where he just didn’t see the pass or the player wide in space. Now that’s not just Jesse in the team who do that, Mata, Matic,Young,Rashford, Pogba are all quite bad for it but Jesse is the worst culprit from what I’ve seen.

So in summary Jesse needs replacing in the starting 11 as to repeat myself he doesn’t have the all round game but is certainly useful as a squad memeber.