he is not on straight 100k, performance addons included, the basic I read somewhere 80K.
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I think he's an excellent little player and pefectly encapsulates the way professionals rate players versus the way armchair fans rate players.
I think professionals love him because they see a super intelligent mover who would give them a really tough game, and be extremely difficult to stop from influencing the game. He's one of the best you'll see at making those runs into areas that defenders don't want to be dragged to.
Lay people tend to rate players almost exclusively on technical ability and/or work rate as they're the most obvious things to see.
It's why Martial has a bigger fanclub on this forum, but Lingard (and Fellaini, fwiw) has the backing of his managers.
I think professionals love him because they see a super intelligent mover who would give them a really tough game, and be extremely difficult to stop from influencing the game. He's one of the best you'll see at making those runs into areas that defenders don't want to be dragged to.
Lay people tend to rate players almost exclusively on technical ability and/or work rate as they're the most obvious things to see.
It's why Martial has a bigger fanclub on this forum, but Lingard (and Fellaini, fwiw) has the backing of his managers.
ِA player touches the the ball about 5% of the time, the rest is movement without the ball, it is this part which can make the difference between intelligent players and those who only have technique in their feet but not intelligent enough to be superstars. Lingard is a very good football player, unlucky his early 20's came when united was a mess and we didn't have a stable system for him to flourish in.
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If he wasn’t our player we’d be on here saying we need to sign him! Great energy, speed and creativity. You’ve got to get make chances to miss chances and he certainly misses a lot of chances!
That’s one way of looking at it, I also see a player that moves out of positions all the time and leave space to be exploited. Furthermore, how can his team-mates rely on him as let’s say a right midfielder when he’s suddenly on the left side of a counter? On top of all, he misses chances and struggles with the final ball when it matters the most. The word excellent should not be used about Lingard’s overall contribution, far from it.
Think the one thing this has shown is that he should never play as a RW for us again, he's a central player and that's where he needs to be play from now.
Yeah, if only he could score in finals.
Jesus lads, it was Panama. 
"It was only against (insert team name here)" - the go to for posters who dislike certain players. It's phenomenal people still don't see how good Lingard is and what he brings to the teams he plays for. For fans who never shut up about our team being static and lacking movement, you'd think they'd see the value in Lingard.
Shut it. No ones saying he’s a world class number 10, especially as he’s playing in a midfield 3. He’s had many a good game against big teams and in finals. I agree he isn’t of the standard if we want to be a top top European side, but for now he actually offers our attack more than we could ask for. Always moving, always wanting the ball - he’s a very very very clever player. ALSO in the grand scheme of things he’s still quite young, and is always improving. He’s a valuable squad player at the very least
His movement off the ball is fantastic, it must be a nightmare for the opposition with somebody like Lingard willing to run behind either from deep or out wide.
He loves a screamer as well, he's scored a few worldies now. Great player to have around the squad he seems to be well liked by everyone.
I mean he's a good squad player at United i don't know how anybody could be unhappy with that.
He loves a screamer as well, he's scored a few worldies now. Great player to have around the squad he seems to be well liked by everyone.
I mean he's a good squad player at United i don't know how anybody could be unhappy with that.
You need squad players like Lingard if you want to be a top European side. Look at Muller for example. Not saying he's as good as Muller, but having players in your squad who are so clever and always willing to play, whilst never complaining is a huge benefit to the side. Ideally he won't play every game, but when he does he usually does well.
Bang on. It's like people think that when we won the treble that everyone in the squad was a World class player. They certainly weren't.
But Lingard is proving his worth after being written off repeatedly many times over 6 years. Some people are still writing him off and it's just sad.
Keeps getting more incredible and influential. Dont remember a single England player in the last 15 ish years who is as good as he is. Well maybe Joe Cole could have done all the things he does, and possibly even more, but he didn't make it as much as Jesse has made the last two years his own.
Very good players really know how to keep it simple in advanced areas. It may seem like they are boring (aka 2999 pages of "he is just a squad player shit on here)but he genuinely is incredibly exciting to watch. Obviously he can improve further. 3 years ago, he used to miss 3 /4 chances a game to score 1 really banger goal. Now I genuinely would trust him with everything when it comes to his composure in front of goal.
Very good players really know how to keep it simple in advanced areas. It may seem like they are boring (aka 2999 pages of "he is just a squad player shit on here)but he genuinely is incredibly exciting to watch. Obviously he can improve further. 3 years ago, he used to miss 3 /4 chances a game to score 1 really banger goal. Now I genuinely would trust him with everything when it comes to his composure in front of goal.
Are people even debating whether he should be at United?
I'm proud he's a local lad from United, especially when you consider that most of the England squad have all been bought for big fees by the big clubs.
Keep smashing them in and proving your doubters wrong Jessie lad.
I'm proud he's a local lad from United, especially when you consider that most of the England squad have all been bought for big fees by the big clubs.
Keep smashing them in and proving your doubters wrong Jessie lad.
Done it in cup finals numerous times.
That's laughably overrating him. He's not as good as Sterling, Kane or Alli and that's just in the current England squad. He's miles away from Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard as well.
He's decent and nothing more than that. The odd screamer here and there doesn't change that.
Thats pretty much what I wasn't doing. i was talking about in his role. Alli is the only one you can compare him with. Sterling is more wide player and has more pace and also plays a false 9.
Again. not saying he is the best player for england. But when was the last time the england number 10 had a great first touch and was fluid as feck ? Alli is very different type. and doesn't have even 50 percent the movement Lingard offers. Of course he has higher ceiling and can do other things than just be mobile and what not. Its apples and oranges almost. at this point, am happy with what lingard brings right now than being hopeful for england thinking alli just has a world class moment in him any moment. I think so would most other people. Though, its not wrong to have genuine world class game changers in your team, so I can accept if some one would always pick Alli/Sterling instead of Lingard.
You said he was the best England player in the last fifteen years. It's nowhere near true even if you are solely talking about his position (Gerrard and Lampard were both attacking midfielders as well).
I said that as first line after adding that a player who could have been better than him in last 15 years, has to be wrt to what he brings. Which implies I wasn't talking about just "random best ever player". if we both want to talk about this, you at least be in the debate am having. its okay if you want to concentrate on whether I meant he was the greatest player in 15 years. Just do it by yourself.
As to Lampard and Gerrard being also AMs. i dont think they are similarly build as Lingard. They had their better days elsewhere, and even when they were genuinely world class as attacking midfielders, they offered diddly squat to England. Actually when it comes to this, even though its been 2 rounds in one world cup, Lingard has outperformed anything gerrard and lampard has done wearing white shirts. oops. but anyway. Lets not get carried away. Obviously gerrard and lampard are better players and more useful to be used at slightly different role to lingard. At what he does when he is used this way, he is unique in the sense, he can do things correctly and keep the team going in a good way. It doesn't have to be the very best way. And as I said, there are better footballers than Jesse Lingard, but until Alli offers as much as Lingard does over 90 minutes, you are not having any of whatever you are trying to have.
He'll never get the credit he deserves by some on here and this will purely be based on his personality and likeability.
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Absolutely.
Park Ji-Sung, Ole Solskjaer, Nicky Butt, our club's success has been partly built on players who come through the Academy or in for cheap and excel.
Jesse scored 13 goals from midifield last season. That's a feat no matter which way you try and spin it.
I'm just going to leave this here:
Kane was not England’s best player. That honour fell to Jesse Lingard, and he’ll probably go and curl this into the top corner too. The Manchester United midfielder was magnificent, confident in possession and hard working without the ball. His early substitution – at the same time as his captain – was a huge compliment from his manager. With Alli injured, Lingard is worth wrapping up in cotton wool.
Lingard is perhaps the perfect poster boy of this England team, not part of the first-team picture two years ago and yet forcing his way to the front of the queue thanks to his performances at club level around world-class players. He is likeable, cheeky and smiley, indicative of a mood that surrounds this group of players.
When Southgate spoke about “a group of mates” going to the World Cup to do their best, this is what he meant. When was the last time you saw England’s players enjoying themselves in big games, rather than cramping up?
Lingard is also a role model in the purest sense of the word, a player who kids have an affinity with and a young man who grew up in Warrington, plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world and is now thriving for his country. Get on that. – Daniel Storey Football 365
Jesse scored 13 goals from midifield last season. That's a feat no matter which way you try and spin it.
I'm just going to leave this here:
Kane was not England’s best player. That honour fell to Jesse Lingard, and he’ll probably go and curl this into the top corner too. The Manchester United midfielder was magnificent, confident in possession and hard working without the ball. His early substitution – at the same time as his captain – was a huge compliment from his manager. With Alli injured, Lingard is worth wrapping up in cotton wool.
Lingard is perhaps the perfect poster boy of this England team, not part of the first-team picture two years ago and yet forcing his way to the front of the queue thanks to his performances at club level around world-class players. He is likeable, cheeky and smiley, indicative of a mood that surrounds this group of players.
When Southgate spoke about “a group of mates” going to the World Cup to do their best, this is what he meant. When was the last time you saw England’s players enjoying themselves in big games, rather than cramping up?
Lingard is also a role model in the purest sense of the word, a player who kids have an affinity with and a young man who grew up in Warrington, plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world and is now thriving for his country. Get on that. – Daniel Storey Football 365
Agree mate, and this is something that I just simply can't understand. In my social circle he unites Scouse and Manc hearts, old and young. He's the most likeable of a likeable bunch.
I have a worrying theory as to why certain people are rubbed the wrong way by Jesse ( and it extends to Pogba,) but I won't derail this time for appreciation.
I think he is better than Mata now. He got that extra tenacity and guile when carrying the ball which Mata lost due to his lack of pace.
Lingard can simply dribble past one or two defenders which is vital.
I seriously doubt there's any Liverpool fans who like a United player who always dances when he scores. We'd dislike him if he played for them and all.
Lingard would have been a terrific fit for City and Pool, and much more successful playing for them.
I was literally watching the England match as one of only two United supporters in a flock (?) of Scousers last night. Lingard was constantly praised for being more likeable and easier to cheer for than our players of old. I was actually suprised as to the general lack of inter-rival smack talking that went on compared to our previous Euro/World Cup catch-ups.
There's a difference between liking a United player when he scores against your team and finding him likeable. Our conclusion was that Alexander-Arnold, Lingard, Rashford are likeable. Carragher, Gerrard, Neville are cnuts.
I know my mates and me are a small sample size but I just find it perplexing how Lingard's personality rubs supporters the wrong way. Especially our supporters.
So happy every time Lingard made his haters angry by playing very well and scoring goal. Hopefully he can keep his performance consistently.
Oh my bad, for some reason when you said better thwn the original I thought you meant better than Mata at his peak!
Yeah I agree he’s better now, technically Mata is probably still better and can find a pass more, but he’s lost his goal threat and has no pace or strength. Lingard is athletic, intelligent, versatile and has an eye for a goal. He’s become a valuable part of United's squad.
Its this kind of reply that grinds more to be honest. I'm no lingard lover (I don't rate him) but if you're suggesting any united fan wants him to fail is just petty and stupid. Id love him to kick on and be our talisman but can only give our honest opinion. I want England beat (I'm Scottish) but personally I want every united player to excel is that so hard to believe? Plus if you are suggesting this then it falls two ways do you stay away when he puts in a poor performance? I certainly don't gloat when he does it more frustrates the living day lights out me especially when I see Rashford or Martial on the bench (who I rate higher) sorry I just found your post having the tone of a petty school kid.
Agree with everything positive that's been said abot Lingard.
Grow up. Not all of us are 12 year old or act like them.
Basically, you're saying Lingard is the best Lingard that England have had in the last 15 years. I'd go one step further: he's the best Lingard they ever had!
Yep, it's strange and I never quite get it. Like you say, Pogba is the same. I equally have a very worrying theory that I've shared on here equally. Some things from certain people are just not very palatable to some and leaves me questioning why dancing, hairstyles and posting on social media is somehow become something people take offence about. Especially as it's nothing controversial and just about young lads having fun away from football. Maybe if they were getting drunk, falling out of nightclubs, speeding, grew beards and had tattoos that would be more normal and therefore more forgiving. Nah, that's not worked for Sterling either....how strange.
And there's my point....more about the dancing than the goal he's scored. The irony.
Don't rate him as a starter but there is no doubt he is an important squad player who is an excellent option for JM. However, it is only Panama and England isn't going to get so much possession and space against a better quality opponent which quite frankly is any other team than Panama. I think what splits opinion on JL is that his weakness are so apparent in games against top quality teams. He isn't the fastest, average in finishing, technique, passing and everything except workrate and movements. Both of his biggest strength can be however useful when adopting a high pressing strategy which he is probably tailor made for.
Maybe they're jelaous that they didn't have the freedom to express themselves in these ways.
I didn't know people who grow beards are hated.
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