He was rubbish as usual quite frankly. I know having the audacity to criticise a players performance in their performance thread automatically makes me a hater, but that's just what I thought.
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The irony, cringing out my skin.
Apart from his good finish for the goal I though he was terrible, the most annoying thing about his performance though was when it looked like he deliberately clipped one of their players whilst already having a yellow for doing the exact same thing. If he got sent off there we would have probably lost the game.
Sorry you miss read the tone my bad should have put lol
Lingard's stats are better than you might expect.
I'd like to know the stats on him losing possession.
Well 12 times in a cup final is horrendous.
I think this needs proving because while I don't remember exactly how many times he lost the ball, the same source said he didn't gain the ball back once when he definitely did on several occasions.
Good stuff. Go get the stats and I'll give 'em a gander.
Either way he was poor but got a goal so better than most out there.
No that's your job since you keep repeating that stat.
Sorry boss I just post the stats that get published. If you can find alternative stats then I may, or may not be arsed reading them.
Where's the Lingard stats? Post them if ya can, on the phone and Whoscored isn't great on a mobile device.
Well according to that he had 8 misplaced passes and was dispossed once (equal with Ibra overall, better than Martial and Pogba but worse than Mata & Herrera), while he made 5 tackles (2nd highest amount in the match)
He did have the worst pass accuracy overall.
My own eyes tell me that stat must be wrong.
I don't think it was once either but I also don't think it was 12 times. I'm just giving stats as they were requested.
12 seems an awful lot, like a ridiculous amount.
That's the only source I can find by the way, all the other usual sites don't cover the EFL cup.
He first got dispossessed after 35 seconds and handballed it soon afterwards, when I watch the full match again I'll make a note.
You look at the ratings of the United players are they are significantly higher than Southampton, who arguably played better for longer periods of the match.
Rojo didn't have a good game yet he rated much higher than Bertrand, who according to many played well and much better than Rojo at minimum.
And nowhere can I see from the WhoScored info that Lingard loss possession 12 times. Unless you're adding up misplaced passes (9 according to his pass percentage) and times he lost possession because he was dispossessed (1) or had bad control (2).
So in reality, the "stat" that he was dispossessed 12 times is false.
Rojo didn't have a good game yet he rated much higher than Bertrand, who according to many played well and much better than Rojo at minimum.
And nowhere can I see from the WhoScored info that Lingard loss possession 12 times. Unless you're adding up misplaced passes (9 according to his pass percentage) and times he lost possession because he was dispossessed (1) or had bad control (2).
So in reality, the "stat" that he was dispossessed 12 times is false.
Where does it have the bad control stat?
Under the Offensive tab, far right column titled "UnsTouches" next to Rating. WhoScored defines UnsTouches as "bad control".
Maybe that's where the 12 is from then, although the match center on that site has his attempted vs successful passes as 28/21 which makes 11 overall. That's not good but it's not outrageous in the context of the team performance.
In your opinion/knowledge, do you know what classifies as a dribble or take on?
No sorry, would assume getting past someone though.
Yeah, makes sense. Just a lot of these stats are very subjective in their actual meaning. Zlatan had 5 bad controls, which one would assume are the clearances and goal kicks he's trying to control and they bounce of him. Just interesting to get the take of some stats for Lingard and others.
Lingard = Nani with a slightly lower ceiling.
I think he's a good squad player to have around, but I don't like to see him starting.
I think he's a good squad player to have around, but I don't like to see him starting.
Why Lingard's performance considered shit despite the goal but then Martial is called decent while admitting he did pretty much nothing other than two decent bits of play. The whole 12 times he lost possession but if you look Martial lost it even more and didn't come near making 5 tackles to regain it.
Sure Martial is the better player and I think they were both quite poor and didn't do much. But Lingard is called shit while there is always an excuse for Martial. There is always a caveat of it being someone else's fault with Martial.
Sure Martial is the better player and I think they were both quite poor and didn't do much. But Lingard is called shit while there is always an excuse for Martial. There is always a caveat of it being someone else's fault with Martial.
Don't think he is good enough for us but he did alright considering how bad our midfield was at keeping possession and the lack of support from mata.
But harsh to round on him after yesterday's performance
But harsh to round on him after yesterday's performance
I think you're really harsh on Nani. At 24 Nani scored 10 goals, assisted 14 (league high) in 33 appearances. Their playing style is also nothing alike.
nani was far better
Jesus Christ, steady on. Nani was an (unawarded) player of the season across the entire league.
Lingard hasn't done enough to be classed as better than Anderson as yet.
Comedy gold
Most of these performance threads look exactly like they would if we lost. This thread looks exactly as it would if Lingard didn't score.
We get it. Regardless of performance, some think that he is not good enough as a squad player for United. Don't people get sick of saying the same thing over and over?
We get it. Regardless of performance, some think that he is not good enough as a squad player for United. Don't people get sick of saying the same thing over and over?
Cheers Shammy. He did appear to lose the ball quite a-bit though so I have no idea how accurate these stats are. I'm not a big 'stat guy' so I don't really have any clue how reliable Whoscored is, although I would use it myself from time-to-time for bits-and-pieces. I just happened to come across the stat I posted on F365 (in their 16 Conclusions section) although they really should link a source if they are going to reel off stats like that.
I do think we can all agree that he didn't have a good game and it would be disingenuous towards the lad to suggest that he did, as we all know he's capable of better performances than that. But again, he got a goal so it is indeed more than most managed in what was quite a poor team performance.
Weird. I thought Martial was wank.
Edit: It appears you are highly exaggerating what was said about Martial, just as I spspected really. I just had a read through the comments after the game and have seen plenty call him frustrating, won't reach the level's we thought, wasn't good enough defensively etc. So really it seems most can acknowledge that, like Lingard, he was poor. Nearly the whole team was poor in reality.
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Lingard was better than Mata, but yet he takes shit even after scoring a goal while Mata doesn't.
Huh? He was actually criticised by quite a-few until someone pointed out that his grandfather passed away last week and he had only recently been to the funeral.
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