Who TC23 or Lingard?
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Who TC23 or Lingard?
I think the question was fairly obvious.
You're defence is that just because he is at united he is a top 0.0001% player, so technically you are
P.s fergie loaned him out, he didn't play him for united, the two managers after that moyes and lvg....really? Ha that is your defence? Jose is using him because mhiki was adapting to the league and mata isn't a winger, not because he is a worldie
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I'm out mate, read through previous posts to see my opinion on him.
He is a squad player, and hopefully with martial backnin form and mhiki finding his feet, he'll continue to be used as one.
I get that people want one player to play over him. But I dont get why some dont want him in the squad altogether.
Hes not world class but he doesnt need to be (see Park). Yes it would be nice if he added more goals to his game but its not like hes stinking out the joint, he is actually contributing.
Hes not world class but he doesnt need to be (see Park). Yes it would be nice if he added more goals to his game but its not like hes stinking out the joint, he is actually contributing.
Wish people would stop comparing to Park, he's not near that level at all or even that type of player.
The 3 goals he has scored this season were in the Community Shield, the 4th goal in a 4-1 v Fenerbahce and the 4th goal in a 4-0 v Feyenoord.
Yes he did a fantastic cross for Zlatan but up to that match he had started 6 PL games and we had won one of those 6.
We look so much more fluid without him - squad player at best.
The 3 goals he has scored this season were in the Community Shield, the 4th goal in a 4-1 v Fenerbahce and the 4th goal in a 4-0 v Feyenoord.
Yes he did a fantastic cross for Zlatan but up to that match he had started 6 PL games and we had won one of those 6.
We look so much more fluid without him - squad player at best.
*for most of his career. Bit of a difference, not exactly subtle.
Who said he is a worldie? Stop with the strawman arguements and maybe, just maybe you'll realise there is a level between Ronaldo and Chadwick.
Who was it that compared Memphis to Bellion a few weeks into his United career and got royally buried for it on here? That boys wasnt far off.
Memphis is more proven. But, in fairness, what they have in common is an inability to make the most of their physical gifts.
Depay is so slow witted, he's probably wishing his friends and family a happy 2016.
Depay is so slow witted, he's probably wishing his friends and family a happy 2016.
You're the one that needs to realise that haha you mentioned that he is quality because he plays for united, does that mean Chadwick was quality?
Lingard is a squad player, but he's our squad player.
He's United through and through, and will happily be a squad player because of that. Sometimes you need a Fletcher, Phil Neville or O'Shea in your squad to plug the gaps when they appear due to injury or rotation. Lingard is that man.
I feel we made a mistake with Welbeck. Let's not do that again.
He's United through and through, and will happily be a squad player because of that. Sometimes you need a Fletcher, Phil Neville or O'Shea in your squad to plug the gaps when they appear due to injury or rotation. Lingard is that man.
I feel we made a mistake with Welbeck. Let's not do that again.
Don't get the vitriol for Lingard.
He's not and never will be a world beater, but he's a fine squad player that cost us nothing on mediocre wages that's unlikely to kick up a fuss about being benched.
He's got goal threat and usually slots seamlessly into the side. What's not to like? I much prefer him to the likes of Young or Memphis when one of our wide forwards is off the boil/injured/suspended.
He's not and never will be a world beater, but he's a fine squad player that cost us nothing on mediocre wages that's unlikely to kick up a fuss about being benched.
He's got goal threat and usually slots seamlessly into the side. What's not to like? I much prefer him to the likes of Young or Memphis when one of our wide forwards is off the boil/injured/suspended.
2 wins in 7 when he has started
On the grand scheme of things, yes.
But in regards to Lingard, he's been at the club for 17 years, maintained his position at the club under four different managers and is an England international. And you want to tell the world he's shit with no redeeming qualities other than he runs a lot. Have a word with yourself.
I don't really see him as a consistent match winner. As I said, he's there as part of the squad and puts in a decent shift when called upon. That said, he was the match winner in our most important game of last season.
There's no such thing as playing your best eleven non-stop, week in, week out. Multiple first team players always get injured or tired at some point in the season and you need players who can sit on the bench for weeks and yet come on and do a job immediately when the need arises. Lingard also has the bonuses of ticking a homegrown player box and probably isn't on a crazy wage. You always need squad players who are happy being squad players and not insist on leaving for Sevilla, Everton or West Brom at the first chance.
I'm not trying to tell the world anything dude, I was minding my own business when I got tagged in a post then you jumped in the middle of a conversation.
If you look I haven't said he is shit I've said he is average, you think he is "quality" which he isn't, he's ok.
Players like Zlatan pogba mhiki are quality, players like lingard you can find in any team in the league
Once again for the cheap seats, not shit not quality just a squad player
Yeah youre not slating his ability, you just don't think he is 'good' at anything. Makes sense!
So now being on the cusp of the most successful team in England for the last 30 years doesn't mean you're a quality player?
Fellaini has been getting games for us mate, if you like him as a player that's ok, but trying to justify it by saying he plays for Man Utd therefore he is quality is a floored argumentYeah youre not slating his ability, you just don't think he is 'good' at anything. Makes sense!
So now being on the cusp of the most successful team in England for the last 30 years doesn't mean you're a quality player?
I absolutely love this thread.
It's the best thread on the whole forum.
You have people opening threads about how the likes of Veron and Forlan were amazing players that didn't just 'tick'. Well guess what if you look at solely at United - Lingard has been better than any of these technically amazing signings at the age of 24. Technique alone does not get you anywhere - Lingard actually is very technically capable but lacks finesse - which should & might come to hm as he ages and slows down the pace he plays at.
Ultimately Lingard has risen above so many players than the past - the present ( been better than Memphis Schneiderlin Shaw Januzaj Fellaini, Darmian etc) & he will be better than plenty of players that continue to come in the future.
It's the best thread on the whole forum.
You have people opening threads about how the likes of Veron and Forlan were amazing players that didn't just 'tick'. Well guess what if you look at solely at United - Lingard has been better than any of these technically amazing signings at the age of 24. Technique alone does not get you anywhere - Lingard actually is very technically capable but lacks finesse - which should & might come to hm as he ages and slows down the pace he plays at.
Ultimately Lingard has risen above so many players than the past - the present ( been better than Memphis Schneiderlin Shaw Januzaj Fellaini, Darmian etc) & he will be better than plenty of players that continue to come in the future.
Just out of curiosity are you saying lingard is a better footballer than Di Maria Veron Nani?
I agree he is a better player than fellaini adnan depay darmien, they are below the standard required at the level we want to be at (maybe harsh on adnan he has time)
But I don't buy just because he has been at the club longer than x he is therefore better. Let's not forget we won the league with some of those players you mentioned
But ignoring stats provided to you (as was the case earlier in the thread) because it doesn't suit your argument is perfectly fine. Right?
Only Zlatan. Pogba or Micky T are quality players, unless you're one of the best players in the world you aren't quality according to you.
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Jesus man you are taking everything I say so literal.
Because you can use stats to say all kinds of things.
Herrera Valencia carrick martial are quality, they are not the best in the world but they are at a higher level than lingard.
Everyone knows you can't really judge a footballer on stats. Goals scored/conceded aside. After games or in press conferences managers rarely if ever make mention of player A having a high pass completion rate or player B winning X% of tackles. It's because they, like us, pay no attention to stuff like that. These stats are only really wheeled out to try and deflect from observably poor performances.
Why just randomly add Nani and Di Maria there? Nani was, at times, brilliant for us. Lingard is not a better player than di Maria but he has obviously been better for us. He actually won us the fa cup...
This is not aimed at you but I don't get why a lot of posters here feel the need to constantly downplay the contributions from some of our (squad) players just because they are not world class. The negativity is fecking tiresome.
We need homegrown players (both for the fans and the rules) and we need players that are prepared to sit on the bench and do a job when needed. It's not that hard to grasp tbh.
Why not, they fit the same bill as the players you mentioned. ADM was ruined because of poor management, who knows what could of been, yes he has been better but if being better than players who haven't adjusted to the league is the standard we are after then it's not good enough.
I understand your frustration, my frustration is when people try to argue he is a quality player when truth be told he is just an ok squad player, and that's absolutely fine, as you said we need those players.
Nani was never as good as some fans liked to think he was capable of being. He may have shown promise for a bit but from my memory he never sustained beyond that. Think people like to remember him as the player they thought he was capable of being rather than the player he was 90% of the time.
He won our player of the year
You have a short memory then - his last season or two here were poor in comparison, but he scored 40 goals and 59 assists for us - if Lingard ever got half of that he'll be doing well
1) He isn't on the same level as Fletcher or O'Shea.
2) I think that we would have been perfectly fine if P. Neville never played for us.
3) We didn't make any mistake on losing Welbeck. I mean, what he is doing these days?
4) I actually agree that we should keep Lingard as long as he is in picking order after Martial, Mata and Rashford (obviously Ibra and Mhiky too). He is decent, without being great, and at the moment we have other priorities. Add to that he is an academy player, homegrown, gives it all always, seems a good character and is likely on low wages. Would really like to see Pereira fighting with him for that spot next season though.
He never got into double figures in the league. Not saying he was a bad player or didn't have periods/patches when he played well but think people tend to romanticise the reality. Average of fewer than 6 league goals a season for a player with his capabilities and position isn't that great.
Even when he 'matured' and was playing well he was still more than capable of putting in performances that'd frankly embarrass a 16 year old rookie. Flashes of brilliance but one of the least consistent attacking/flair players I've ever seen if you take his 6/7 years with as as a whole. To be rounded you have to take the spectacular along side the times he looked as if he wasn't entirely sure on what the rules of football were.
You were comparing him with Lingard, if Lingard ever got close to Nani's figure I'd be amazed. If any people are romanticising anything is to think that Lingard is anywhere near the ability of Park or Nani, he's not and never will be.
I'll say it again, if Lingard wasn't a local lad and been here for a 100 years, there wouldn't be all this nonsense.
I wasn't comparing him with Lingard. But if I was I'd say Lingard isn't capable of reaching Nani's heights but equally his performance levels don't fluctuate as violently as Nani's did. Lingard can have poor games and look invisible but he rarely looks f****** awful, as Nani was equally as capable of as he was being brilliant.
I'd have Lingard in the side over Nani on the basis that his performance level is more dependable. Peaks are lower, troughs shallower.
I'd have Lingard in the side over Nani on the basis that his performance level is more dependable. Peaks are lower, troughs shallower.
I'd take Nani, as I mentioned if you think he was inconsistent then how did he win the players player of the season?
Can you ever see lingard doing that?
I'll paint a situation as to why I'd have Nani, 0-0 against a park the bus team, I'd be thinking bring on Nani because he is capable of creating something from nothing and meaning it.
I don't get that feeling with lingard, he rarely fills me with confidence that he is the answer
He was here 7 seasons. The fact he won POTY once doesn't prove he wasn't inconsistent. It just proves he had a good season. Lingard's never winning player of the year. Equally he's never putting in two consecutive performances that differ as dramatically as any two of Nani's were capable of.
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He did alright in extra time in the FA Cup final though.
Not sure what this debate is about, Lingard didn't even play yesterday, are you guys that bored?
Do you usually only have opinion on players if you've only seen them play in the last 24 hours?
Because we play better when he's not in the team
He's going to live the rest of his career here because he scored a goal in the Cup Final ?
Just seems unnecessary, that's all.
He's not at the end of his career though is he?
The poster I quoted mentioned Nani coming on when we need a goal in the dying minutes of a match, and it just so happens that Lingard has delivered just that.
It's almost as though everyone does convey to your own particular definition of what quality is! Shocking that.
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