[NK86]

Can't see anyone saying he is anything but that

What do you think is the meaning of a squad player? It's a player who can come in when a first teamer is having a stinker and put in a decent level of performance. That's exactly his role. It didn't work out yday but i doubt anyone sees him as a must start player. And will start in a few games as part of rotation.

He clearly started last game because martial wasn't very good and he had a good community shield. That's the job of a squad player. To push for a starting place thereby forcing the first teamer to improve his own performance

He shouldn't have started that game. No matter how shite Martial was, he had some game time under his belt while Lingard was back from injury after a month.

 

[RDCR07]

I was very surprised to see him start over Martial/Rashford, considering he had not played a single minute since that CS injury. Think he will do decently as a squad option. Not his biggest fan but kinda felt sorry for the lad. He just seemed to have gotten off on the wrong side of bed that day it seemed. Hope he gets a chance to recover from that horror show against Feynoord.

He wont. Mou said he isnt going to play those players who let him down and didnt play on Sunday and that includes Lingard. Might be even include Mkhi but he did well the previous game when he came on.

 

[Revan]

Honestly, if he wore an Everton, West Ham to Spurs shirt, some on here would be raving about him. We seem to be more critical of our own yet, salivate about other players. Whilst people talk about City players quality, would anyone take any of there defensive players including the keeper over ours?

Honestly, that is bullshit. For which players as average as Lingard the Caf is raving? Heck, even for players quite better than him like Barkley, the Caf is very skeptical.

If Lingard was in some midtable team, I think that the consensus would be that he is an okay player, but that we shouldn't be interested for him. If he was starting for some of our rivals, we would be laughing.

I don't see how under any circumstance he is a better option to start than Martial and Rashford. He might do a job as a squad player, but he is far from a top quality player.

 

[Treble]

He's scored some important goals but he's been largely anonymous most of the time, IMO. Good to have him in the squad though.

 

[NK86]

He wont. Mou said he isnt going to play those players who let him down and didnt play on Sunday and that includes Lingard. Might be even include Mkhi but he did well the previous game when he came on.

I hope Mourinho was just venting his frustration when he said so. We cannot just shunt out players after one poor game. I felt Fergie's treatment of Nani of dropping him after one poor performance actually didn't work well in the end for the talented player. Not saying Lingard is as good as Nani but feel we should avoid that kind of treatment especially if he is not as strong mentally.

 

[JohnnyLaw]

I'd be extremely interested to see him in the role that Herrera's played in the past, as the box-to-box cm in a midfield 3. Not in place of Herrera but as a back-up. Something like:

Pogba-Lingard
Carrick

I don't think he's potent enough to play as an all-out attacker. But he's got good control and skill on the ball, he's very mobile and links play well. While also being disciplined, hard-working in pressure and is tough enough to throw a decent tackle.

 

[gza the genius]

He was terrible Saturday but I hope he doesn't get ruled out for future games because of that. He's mostly been very solid for us and came out with some big goals - he was also just returning from injury.

 

[Scholesy]

He may be a "local lad" but he is still awful

We should pick players on their quality, not if they are from Manchester.

If they have quality, and are from Manchester, like Rashford, then that is a bonus.

But picking players just because they are local is frustrating, Lingard is no where near good enough to start for United in the toughest games.

Can't wait he is gone like Rooney

 

[as-95]

Aye. Strange assertion to make about Lingard of all players. If anything, he's typically the type of player that oppo fans would call utterly useless and I feel it would be the same from our fans if he played for someone else.

100% this. Couldn't agree with this any more.

Bang average player with shoddy technique. Some fans root for him because he's a local lad, but emotion should not get in the way of the harsh reality. Lingard has no future at the club and buzzing around whilst making occasionally good runs will not compensate for poor technique and footballing skills.

 

[as-95]

He may be a "local lad" but he is still awful

We should pick players on their quality, not if they are from Manchester.

If they have quality, and are from Manchester, like Rashford, then that is a bonus.

But picking players just because they are local is frustrating, Lingard is no where near good enough to start for United in the toughest games.

Can't wait he is gone like Rooney

Same here. Cant wait for him to leave; not only because of his lack of quality, but also because of the fact that his cringey dabbing videos and annoying face will hopefully be another team's problem soon enough.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Honestly, if he wore an Everton, West Ham to Spurs shirt, some on here would be raving about him. We seem to be more critical of our own yet, salivate about other players. Whilst people talk about City players quality, would anyone take any of there defensive players including the keeper over ours?

Another view is that less would rate him.

When I look at players at Spurs, Everton or West Ham, I don't think many are good enough for United.

Personally, I don't think Lingard would get into the Spurs or Everton team as a starter, I don't know about West Ham, maybe someone who knows more about them could say.

Lingard's great though, I love him and I think he's the type of lad you need in a squad, but he's not a starter at a club that wants to win the league.

 

[devil in me]

Honestly, that is bullshit. For which players as average as Lingard the Caf is raving? Heck, even for players quite better than him like Barkley, the Caf is very skeptical.

If Lingard was in some midtable team, I think that the consensus would be that he is an okay player, but that we shouldn't be interested for him. If he was starting for some of our rivals, we would be laughing.

I don't see how under any circumstance he is a better option to start than Martial and Rashford. He might do a job as a squad player, but he is far from a top quality player.

Couldnt agree more.

 

[gza the genius]

Honestly, that is bullshit. For which players as average as Lingard the Caf is raving? Heck, even for players quite better than him like Barkley, the Caf is very skeptical.

If Lingard was in some midtable team, I think that the consensus would be that he is an okay player, but that we shouldn't be interested for him. If he was starting for some of our rivals, we would be laughing.

I don't see how under any circumstance he is a better option to start than Martial and Rashford. He might do a job as a squad player, but he is far from a top quality player.

If Lingard was at a midtable club and was available for extremely cheap having scored some of the goals he has for us I think most would be fine with signing him to have as a squad player. No one is saying he should be starting every game here. He's done enough to at least merit being part of the squad, one terrible first half after coming back from injury doesn't change that.

 

[Scholesy]

Couldnt agree more.

Shame our "world class" manager doesn't see it. Extremely worrying. We are in for a season of slow torture.

 

[devil in me]

Shame our "world class" manager doesn't see it. Extremely worrying. We are in for a season of slow torture.

I'm sure that Lingard isn't in Mourinho's plans as a long term starter. Mkhitaryn will be our first choice RW. Its just a case of being patient whilst he finds his feet.

 

[balaks]

Another view is that less would rate him.

When I look at players at Spurs, Everton or West Ham, I don't think many are good enough for United.

Personally, I don't think Lingard would get into the Spurs or Everton team as a starter, I don't know about West Ham, maybe someone who knows more about them could say.

Lingard's great though, I love him and I think he's the type of lad you need in a squad, but he's not a starter at a club that wants to win the league.

Every squad needs players like Lingard - he may not be good enough to be a regular starter but he could be a good option from the bench and loves the club. I think he is a decent enough player.

 

[Dobbs]

I'd be extremely interested to see him in the role that Herrera's played in the past, as the box-to-box cm in a midfield 3. Not in place of Herrera but as a back-up. Something like:

Pogba-Lingard
Carrick

I don't think he's potent enough to play as an all-out attacker. But he's got good control and skill on the ball, he's very mobile and links play well. While also being disciplined, hard-working in pressure and is tough enough to throw a decent tackle.

Agree. He's not good enough to be a starter wherever he plays but as a squad player that should be his role. He's not a winger and it's time we started putting players in their best positions.

 

[redflair]

In his first full start for LVG at Old Trafford, he was a bag of nerves which sadly led to a long-term injury.

In his first full start for Mourinho at OT, almost identical.

Forget footballing abilties, temperament right now is his biggest problem. This, more than anything, could be the reason he doesn't become a regular first teamer at OT.

But he'll still be here for longer than some people think.

 

[arthurka]

He hasn´t played for more than a month and looked rusty..
Other players looked bad as well..

Still have hopes for this kid.

 

[El Jefe]

It wasn't nice to watch as it was a disastrous performance but I'm over it. Lingard has a lot to offer this team so talk of he should be sold is rubbish.

People are forgetting one thing. He was terrible but ask yourselves with all our attackers fit why did he play? Jose clearly sees something in him its just a shame he didn't produce.

 

[3KDré]

It wasn't nice to watch as it was a disastrous performance but I'm over it. Lingard has a lot to offer this team so talk of he should be sold is rubbish.

People are forgetting one thing. He was terrible but ask yourselves with all our attackers fit why did he play? Jose clearly sees something in him its just a shame he didn't produce.

Jose said before the game that the reason for both Mkhi and Lingard was he wanted them to press at their fullbacks who he thought would come inside as midfielders.

 

[El Jefe]

Jose said before the game that the reason for both Mkhi and Lingard was he wanted them to press at their fullbacks who he thought would come inside as midfielders.

That's half the reason though. The other was they can break at pace and make clever runs in behind, especially Jesse because Martial's runs can be a bit poor at times.

 

[AgentP]

In his first full start for LVG at Old Trafford, he was a bag of nerves which sadly led to a long-term injury.

In his first full start for Mourinho at OT, almost identical.

Forget footballing abilties, temperament right now is his biggest problem. This, more than anything, could be the reason he doesn't become a regular first teamer at OT.

But he'll still be here for longer than some people think.

True. Some players are unfazed by the occasion and even raise their game while others repeatedly falter. This is one of the reasons I believe Rashford will develop into a top top player. Lingard will be a good squad player for us but nothing more.

 

[Litch]

Honestly, that is bullshit. For which players as average as Lingard the Caf is raving? Heck, even for players quite better than him like Barkley, the Caf is very skeptical.

If Lingard was in some midtable team, I think that the consensus would be that he is an okay player, but that we shouldn't be interested for him. If he was starting for some of our rivals, we would be laughing.

I don't see how under any circumstance he is a better option to start than Martial and Rashford. He might do a job as a squad player, but he is far from a top quality player.

That's on the basis that Lingaard is average. The only thing that's bullshit is irrespective of what he does, like other players that CAF have taken a negative view on will be seen in that light irrespective of what they do. When they play well, the haters are quiet yet still circling for him to make a mistake. Unless people aren't sheep like a put the boot in, then it's bullshit or they are deranged.

Irrespective of whether you think he's a better option, Jose doesn't or at least did.....but maybe he's deranged too?

 

[Robbie Boy]

Oh dear, we're back to the word 'haters' being thrown around the Lingard thread. So immature.

 

[Lawman]

You don't have a squad in which 23 players are all world class. It is made up of 6 world class, 6 very good consistently, 11 good and reliable players who can be able backups.

He can very easily be in the third category.

Yes but my point stands not to play him in big games!!

 

[Shamwow]

Oh dear, we're back to the word 'haters' being thrown around the Lingard thread. So immature.

Shit stirring is immature, which is what you do constantly.

 

[AndyJ1985]

That's on the basis that Lingaard is average. The only thing that's bullshit is irrespective of what he does, like other players that CAF have taken a negative view on will be seen in that light irrespective of what they do. When they play well, the haters are quiet yet still circling for him to make a mistake. Unless people aren't sheep like a put the boot in, then it's bullshit or they are deranged.

Irrespective of whether you think he's a better option, Jose doesn't or at least did.....but maybe he's deranged too?

Why does being critical of a player automatically mean they are hated? I don't rate Lingard but I don't hate the lad. Having a mature discussion involves not labelling people as haters or having an agenda in order to try and undermine their opinion, which is something that happens too often on this forum.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Shit stirring is immature, which is what you do constantly.

Pointless post.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Why does being critical of a player automatically mean they are hated?

Yeah I just don't get this. There's a lack of middle ground on here these days and people are either 'fanboys' or 'haters'. Both of those words make me cringe. Like seriously, does anyone actually 'hate' Lingard or any other player that they happen not to rate? Fans obviously view players very differently and players like Lingard will always be divisive as some will appreciate his qualities whereas some will think he isn't good enough. It doesn't mean anyone fecking hates him if they don't think he's good / good enough.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Is he injured?

I know he was bad against City, but Mourinho's completely ditched him, despite being good in the Leicester game before he got injured.

 

[caisenma]

Young and Memphis appear to be slightly more in favour at the moment, though Im sure Lingard will get another chance before long.

 

[m1y2]

dont understand him being not used more often, he always puts in a shift and when you see the likes of Rooney getting game after game after those terrible displays you have to ask yousrself whats the matter? He's just one of the scapegoats for Jose I guess but I hope he gets a chance, everybody would struggle against City and Lingard is already ahead of Young..

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

dont understand him being not used more often, he always puts in a shift and when you see the likes of Rooney getting game after game after those terrible displays you have to ask yousrself whats the matter? He's just one of the scapegoats for Jose I guess but I hope he gets a chance, everybody would struggle against City and Lingard is already ahead of Young..

First of all you should know by now that you cannot compare anyone elses situation to Rooney because he has had special privileges for years now. Secondly, that part bolded is not true at all. City are hardly 2009 Barcelona are they? Plus if Lingard wants to be a permanent starter here then he needs to play well against teams of that calibre. Jose has took him out of team because the way he played against City was unacceptable, and he has to give others like Memphis a chance at least. I think Lingard will be back in the squad tomorrow.

 

[MounchesterUtd]

I'm as big a fan of Jose as you can see around here, but playing Lingard against City, barely back from injury, was madness.

If Martial isn't fit yet, I'd like him to start against Leicester in a lopsided 433/diamond hybrid wing role: Schneid or Carrick holding, Herrera and Pogba as the 8s with Paul mostly given freedom to attack, Zlatan CF, Rashers as an inside forward, Lingard in the other wing but constantly dropping deep for defensive duties.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I'm as big a fan of Jose as you can see around here, but playing Lingard against City, barely back from injury, was madness.

If Martial isn't fit yet, I'd like him to start against Leicester in a lopsided 433/diamond hybrid wing role: Schneid or Carrick holding, Herrera and Pogba as the 8s with Paul mostly given freedom to attack, Zlatan CF, Rashers as an inside forward, Lingard in the other wing but constantly dropping deep for defensive duties.

You say that, But why would you then bring him back in to the starting 11 from the cold again? He hasn't played a minute in the last 3 games.

 

[MounchesterUtd]

You say that, But why would you then bring him back in to the starting 11 from the cold again? He hasn't played a minute in the last 3 games.

He'll have had a ton of practice hours logged in by now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Lingard in doubt to even make the bench during the derby, let alone start?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Think Mou is treating him badly if he is being punished for that pathetic performance.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Think Mou is treating him badly if he is being punished for that pathetic performance.

I really hope that's isn't the reason why he's not playing.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Well Jesse lovers, he has his chance today..