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Agree with this bit.
A million times this.
he must be now one of the happiest players in United, hope it affect his performances. He will be surely pushed by Pog's arrival, more than anyone else in the team.. He started the second season pretty well so I can't wait to see dab brothers score some important goals for us..
Written in the stars for the Dab Brothers to be reunited 
Awwwww. That's cute. Jesse looks so happy to have his mate back.
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this is true, I think he could thrive having a bit of a free role in the team, linking everything in the final third, one-twos, quick turns, finding those pockets and making runs to the box, basically how he did for the youth teams. He will never run at players, that's why I don't think of him as starter from the wide positions but again he may benefit from having more breathing space cutting to the middle, dropping deep as hardly anyone will man -mark him and follow him. I could see very nice combo with Mikitaryan changing positions, once we finally ditch Rooney and also nice option for Lingard to switch to the left, while Martial/Rashford makes the run to the top and Zlatan drops deep.
Lingard brings a lot of fludity to the team and I think Mou will like it. So in the end it might be a bit pointless to discuss his starting position as the front three/four may as well operate all over the place in the final third..
Okay so ~20 miles away and he's been here since he was 7 years old, doesn't really change my point all that much.
Written in the stars for the Dab Brothers to be reunited
Christ, tell me they won't do that on the pitch together.
No mate doesnt change it that much at all. Just pointing out hes not from Manchester.
Why? 23 year olds that seem to love that type of thing and are expressing themselves - especially since it will be after they've scored for us.
Them doing it at Anfield, right in front of those cameras Gerrard used to kiss would be nice.You'll get used to it when they start doing it at the opponent's grounds
they will be doing it for corners won
Lie my foot! And it's hilarious that it's coming from the jumped up wannabe internet hardman, who with his hypocritical views on Lingard has been unashamedly hanging around on this thread like a bad smell!
This was in July 22, 2016
and this was in July 24, 2016
Now the same person, yesterday after poking his disgustingly annoying big nose into something that had nothing to do with him, has not only completely changed his tune but all of a sudden also started writing verses about Lingard, his brilliant movements and whatnot! You just couldn't make it up!
Today,
Today,
What happened in between, nothing. Just the CS game!
Just stop embarrassing yourself. If you've an iota of shame you'd not show your hypocritical face on Lingard's thread again let alone replying to any further comments!
What's your point? As I said in a post just today, my opinion on him has changed. Why would I have praised him at times last season when he was playing and wasn't good enough?
My original point still stands; people that were critical of him last season have praised his performance the other day. There was still no need for you to wade into this thread with lies.
My point is stop embarrassing yourself any further!
And next time before you wade into something that has nothing to do with you, know your fecking place! Don't lecture people what they should and shouldn't do. If you want to engage into a conversation, do it properly.
People can criticize Lingard all they want, they're entitled to do it and vice versa.
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It's ok, you waded in here and made stuff up, it's no biggie. I'll refer you to this post from me today, it might help clear things up. Just because y'know, you're very selective in what you are quoting from me:
The thing is, if you had read the previous pages, you would see that people had praised him quite a-bit. I just don't get why you came into the thread with a defensive stance about Lingard, it was peculiar and you weren't the only one. You would also have seen people say that they didn't rate him, but like what they are now seeing etc. I have absolutely no problem in admitting that I thought Lingard was often poor last season - which he was - but under Mourino, now that hopefully the team is more settled, I'm hoping he can really push on.
There's no need for revisionism either, though. Let's call it as it is, he was thrown in the deep end last season and in plenty of games, he was downright poor. But poor management obviously played a big part in that. I don't think he will be a starter long term, but he's hopefully going to be a very good squad player. He definitely needs to improve his overall game but the signs on Sunday were definitely positive.
What's with the keyboard warrior antics? Oh hang on, am I not allowed to 'wade' in here.
It's not unfathomable for someone to change their opinion of a player based on a performance - not if they've noted something that hadn't previously observed or something about that player has changed. Lingard put in a good performance in the Community Shield, that could well be the growing influence of Mourinho's tutorship. Lingard's been guilty of missing good chances in the past (particularly last season), but if that's something he can work on, then he'll be an asset to the team.
Also, you can't accuse others of lecturing you and not engaging in conversation, only to then suggest they should 'know their fecking place.'
Just my two cents.
Spot on.
You need to follow the whole conversation, otherwise you'd get misguided. The 'know your fecking place' is to tell him when he wades into something that has nothing to with him, he shouldn't be telling others what they should and shouldn't do because that's what he did from the very first reply to my comment about Lingard not getting appreciated on here.
People can change their views but when someone does it after having a certain conversation with someone else, then you've to consider the motive behind it. Lingard can't be a magician, who had no skills just two weeks ago now today has become someone with plenty of skills apparently.
Up until he replied very aggressively to my comment which was yesterday a comment about Lingard not getting appreciated on here and I used the word 'never' just to emphasize the point not to mean no one has ever appreciated Lingard, he was slagging off Lingard which I found today. I've no problem with that because he's entitled to have his opinion because that's why it's a forum where people share their differing opinions. But from today he seems to have changed his views on Lingard after seeing a lot of people sharing the same concern that I pointed out after the CS game.
It'd not have gone anywhere near where it's now unless he started telling me not to do this, not to do that from the very first reply.
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More lies? Really? This was your very first comment in this thread after Lingards goal (despite the fact there was about 2 pages of praise at that point):
I found this post pretty passive aggressive and childish. My initial reply told you to 'grow up' - that was it. Sorry, but it's just a bug bear of mine people coming in with counterproductive posts like yours.
You've already been embarrassed but seems like you're someone who has no shame at all. And I also found today you're someone who likes to engage into pointless arguments with others.
So this is my last reply to you. I've no interest in talking to a two-faced jumped up wannabe internet hardman.
Ok well I just found your initial post counterproductive and childish. I guess there's not much more to add.
I'm sure you can both agree that an improved, in-form Lingard is an asset to Manchester United. Like Rashford, a local lad done good.
I'm sure you can both agree that an improved, in-form Lingard is an asset to Manchester United. Like Rashford, a local lad done good.
Aye, more improvement is definitely needed, especially his end-product but I feel under Mourinho, he can improve further. Good display on Sunday, so that's a positive. Dare I say, he's winning me over.
I'm sure you can both agree that an improved, in-form Lingard is an asset to Manchester United. Like Rashford, a local lad done good.
Yeah, that's the point. I'd rather see a boy who spent his whole childhood with club, knows the club inside out at United than an average player bought for 20/30m when they're here for the same purpose which is being a squad member. Lingard may not have the abilities to become a WC player but he's more than an able squad player.
And this forum is for all United fans to share their views, not to pick fights with each other. We can have different opinions on anything and everything but as long as we're doing it respectfully, it's not a big deal. After all we're all United fans who want nothing but the best for our club.
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He wasn't one of the best players of League 1, nowhere near that in fact. He was a prolific goalscorer in that league, yes. Hardly proof to be a worldclass player. Some other players with similar goal scoring records in that league: Ben Yedder, Rolan, Beauvue, Gignac, Aboubakar. Hardly worldbeaters. He didn't have a convincing first season in Dortmund (aged 24-25) as well, especially in the end of the season he wasn't even a starter.
Even more ridiculous to call a player aged 23 "at an advanced age". Youth mania hit a new peak. To much playing of football manager. The vast majority of todays superstars were rather unknown at the age of 23. Some examples?
David Silva: not even a starter at Valencia.
Yaya Toure: playing in greak league
recent one - N'golo Kante: coming from second french division to Caen for free
Santi Cazorla: decent player at Villareal, nothing more
or some superstars from Real Madrid or Barca?
Modric: first season at Spurs, coming fresh from Croatian league
Suarez: still playing in Dutch league, aged 24 being called the "small" striker transfer next to the "marque signing" Carroll for the Dippers
but i guess in times of todays Fifa and Football Manager video games you have no talent when you are no superstar aged 20
Lingard on the other side was one of the best players from our squad last year. One might think, that he was overperforming, while the rest of the team was underperforming. Might be true. Coming season will show what really is in him, i think he can give Mkhitaryan (the best Bundesliga player) a run for his money...at least if pre-season is any indication. He was miles better then Martial lately - which does hurt to say from one of the biggest advocates of Martial before he was going here last season..
Aubameyang was named in Ligue 1 team of the season in 12/13 despite not being 'anywhere near' one of the best players in the league. What an odd voting system they must have in France.
I think it's more so the reactions we'll see in the forum than my own opinion of it. Lingard already got the piss taken out of him for that commercial.
He wasn't one of the best players of League 1, nowhere near that in fact. He was a prolific goalscorer in that league, yes. Hardly proof to be a worldclass player. Some other players with similar goal scoring records in that league: Ben Yedder, Rolan, Beauvue, Gignac, Aboubakar. Hardly worldbeaters. He didn't have a convincing first season in Dortmund (aged 24-25) as well, especially in the end of the season he wasn't even a starter.
Even more ridiculous to call a player aged 23 "at an advanced age". Youth mania hit a new peak. To much playing of football manager. The vast majority of todays superstars were rather unknown at the age of 23. Some examples?
David Silva: not even a starter at Valencia.
Yaya Toure: playing in greak league
recent one - N'golo Kante: coming from second french division to Caen for free
Santi Cazorla: decent player at Villareal, nothing more
or some superstars from Real Madrid or Barca?
Modric: first season at Spurs, coming fresh from Croatian league
Suarez: still playing in Dutch league, aged 24 being called the "small" striker transfer next to the "marque signing" Carroll for the Dippers
but i guess in times of todays Fifa and Football Manager video games you have no talent when you are no superstar aged 20
Lingard on the other side was one of the best players from our squad last year. One might think, that he was overperforming, while the rest of the team was underperforming. Might be true. Coming season will show what really is in him, i think he can give Mkhitaryan (the best Bundesliga player) a run for his money...at least if pre-season is any indication. He was miles better then Martial lately - which does hurt to say from one of the biggest advocates of Martial before he was going here last season..
But these examples are really poor. Cazorla was a very good player at Villarreal, Modric was Croatia's most talented young player hence the £15m fee, Toure was a star at Olympiakos and transfered to Monaco who were a good team back then (a year later at 25 he was already being sold to Barcelona) and why did you feel the need to make up the argument about Silva? He was automatic starter and one of Valencia's best players at 23. Suarez was the best forward in Eredivisie and Ajax star.
Lingard will be 24 in December, he hasn't really shown world class potential and it's rare that it appears in mid-20s. Obviously he could get better and it might be a considerable leap but I find it strange that people come up with this comparisons when he's only had one season at United and it wasn't even a great one. It also puts unnecessary pressure on the player, he doesn't need to be as good as Aubameyang or Toure to be a good player for us.
I don't think he was that good last season and I think it's ridiculous to say that he's anywhere near Mkhitaryan right now.
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Yep and Silva was not a starter at Valencia at 23 despite being one of their best players and transfering to City for a very high fee at 24.
Also I wouldn't say that vast majority of today's superstars were completely unknown at 24. Neymar, Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale, Muller, Lewandowski, Messi, Rodriguez, Robben, Aguero, Pogba, Zlatan etc. were all pretty damn recognized at 24. In fact I'd say that vast majority of top players were already recognized at 23-24.
@Sarni don't have the time for endless discussions, saved this part, let's see in 9 month who was right had the same with Martial last year...
had the same with Martial last year...
some people tend to change their mind so quickly based on one game only. Lingard has made those intelligent runs since last season. It's nothing new to people who actually watched him last season.Was anyone questioning Martial's potential really?@Sarni don't have the time for endless discussions, saved this part, let's see in 9 month who was right
Some people really should go and rewatch our seasons in the 70's etc, whining about young players expressing themselves.
Always liked and rated the boy, delighted for him to have got another big goal. Hopefully he gets the hours this season.
Is he in the 23 mourinho talked about then? I would find that quite surprising, not because he doesn't deserve it but because of players like young or jones' seniority and they don't seem to be in there, I really didn't expect jesse to still be a regular this season, but maybe he has shown his talent in training and can be an important player for us this season.
Pretty sure he wouldn't have started in the community shield had he not been part of the plans.
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