[Mickfoley]

Yeah because players like Rooney, Scholes and Neville have 'looked and sounded fancy' down the years, that's exactly why people rated them.

Scholes was hugely underrated by the rival fans throughout his career because of this very fact. There was nothing fancy about Neville's game let alone the name and the way he looked.

Yep and the fact he has scored 1 league goal this season with 3 assists. Feck I've been to games where Becks equalled that over 90 mins and he played further away from the goal than Lingard.

Pointless, Ramos has scored more in Europe than many attacking players these past few seasons. What was your point again?

 

[stevoc]

Scholes was hugely underrated by the rival fans throughout his career because of this very fact. There was nothing fancy about Neville's game let alone the name and the way he looked.

Pointless, Ramos has scored more in Europe than many attacking players these past few seasons. What was your point again?

The vast majority of United fans didn't underrate Scholes though.

So it's highly unlikely United fans underrate Lingard because he doesn't have a fancy foreign name when most seem to rate Rashford.

 

[Mickfoley]

Yeah thats why people don't rate him, must be why so many on here seem to rate our young foreign forward Marcos Rashfordinho.

Rashford is young and does fancy backheels.

If moyes was Portuguese, maybe more people would have recognized that he was doing a great job. Right?

See LVG.

Well no, I'll judge him off his form since coming into the first team and he hasn't been good / consistent enough.

Your rubbish about his name personifies the excuses for him.

He has performed excellently these past two seasons. He has played his role this season to perfection. There's a reason the club offered him such a huge contract. That contract plus his non fancy name and personality is what's making people like you hate him. Fallacy is a dangerous thing.

 

[antohan]

But @Pogue Mahone composure is part of technique so I'm not buying that. Plus you can't judge him back to under 9s! Since coming into the first team he's had half a dozen good games. No brilliant ones and the rest anonymous to dreadful. Look at Rashford in comparison who is 5-6 years younger.

No, it has a lot more to do with maturity and decision making. Those two are his main issues. José is ideal to knock some of the former into him and the latter either comes with experience... or never does, which is the gamble here.

 

[stevoc]

Rashford is young and does fancy backheels.

Lingard is still young, he often tries fancy flicks and he does fancy little dances when he scores.

Your whole argument makes no sense. Though i honestly shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Mickfoley]

Lingard is still young, he often tries fancy flicks and he does fancy little dances when he scores.

Your whole argument makes no sense. Though i honestly shouldn't be surprised.

It was a tongue in cheek comment. So technically I've knocked you out once again. Bite bite

 

[stevoc]

It was a tongue in cheek comment. So technically I've knocked you out once again. Bite bite

Ah as i thought then just posting nonsense in a sad effort to gain attention.

 

[Berbasbullet]

There was a moment in the last game where I could see what he does well, he's basically 10x better through the middle with little intricate passes and 1,2's. However he doesn't have the required quality to retain that position.

 

[Faetheshire86]

I said earlier in the season that Jesse Lingard was the gatekeeper for our wide positions. "He sets the minimum requirements in terms of work rate, determination, discipline. He's always threatening those guys who are more talented and keeping them honest." At the time he had seen off Januzaj, Memphis, Rooney. But honestly I never thought at this stage in the season he would be keeping Martial and Mkhitaryan at bay. Reality is he shouldn't. A consistent, hard working Martial or Mkhitaryan of last year shouldn't be giving Lingard a look in. The fact that our other attackers aren't performing is Lingard's biggest problem in terms of how he is being viewed by some of the fans.

People seem to fall into one of two or three mind-sets. Those who don't see what Lingard brings because they don't have the intelligence to see it during a match, or to read what others see, or to watch a video that explains it ("yeah but no but yeah that video uses a really bad font, so anything they say isn't even valid anyway"). Those who see what he brings, but don't value that side of the game. Finally those who see what he brings, appreciate it, but still wish that we had better.

Oh yeah and stop bringing up the name/nationality thing as the reason people don't rate him... it's utter nonsense.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Biggest "problem" with Jesse is that he is poor at obvious things, things that stands out first when you watch the game. He cant dribble, is pretty weak and his finishing is hit and miss even though he is a pretty decent finisher or at least was. Thats why he gets so much hate in the thread and not because he doesnt have attractive name

Its not helping him that 90% of his game time he is playing out of position, he isnt a right winger, never was and probably never will be. He isnt playing excellent but he isnt poorly neither, Is he good enough to start for United at the level we aim for? Of course not, but he is more then good enough to be a squad player in rotation role.
His work rate is fantastic, people say that everyone can work hard and they can, but the reality is they dont. Perfect example was Depay. His of the ball movement is probably best in the club alongside Mata and most of the time he plays within his limits which is another big quality that most dont have and why he is perfect for the support role.
Work hard, pass and move and keep things simple to provide balance for creative part of the team(Pogba, Ibra, Rashford, Martial etc.).

 

[Hawks2008]

How dare he missed a couple of sitters in a game of football, no player winger or striker has ever done it.
It's true, if he and his name were fancy we'd be wanking over his all-round game yesterday.

This is just deflection and immeasurable bullshit . Firstly, academy product Rashford is not a foreigner with an exotic name so your argument is already disproved. Secondly, if his name was Lingardinho he probably would have far less apologists, but since he's local the "t0p reds" come out of the woodwork to defend him. They use platitudes like "work rate" or "graft", they throw other players under the bus to deflect attention from how average he is, and when he gets a goal/assist after several mediocre games they say "LOL H8ERZZZ!!1! as if it vindicates them. People hold him to such a low standard it's obsequious, I don't hate Lingard, but the way some posters are rimming him is insane.

 

[Verminator]

This is just deflection and immeasurable bullshit . Firstly, academy product Rashford is not a foreigner with an exotic name so your argument is already disproved. Secondly, if his name was Lingardinho he probably would have far less apologists, but since he's local the "t0p reds" come out of the woodwork to defend him. They use platitudes like "work rate" or "graft", they throw other players under the bus to deflect attention from how average he is, and when he gets a goal/assist after several mediocre games they say "LOL H8ERZZZ!!1! as if it vindicates them. People hold him to such a low standard it's obsequious, I don't hate Lingard, but the way some posters are rimming him is insane.

Sometimes extremes are used to counter extremes.
The fact of the matter is, if the other options were performing better he would play less, but they aren't. Why blame him for the ineptitude of others?
The frustration that Martial and Mikhi should be in and tearing it up, is being turned into negativity against their understudy. It is them that deserve the questions of their place in the squad, not the guy who the manager turns to out of trust.

 

[Hawks2008]

Sometimes extremes are used to counter extremes.
The fact of the matter is, if the other options were performing better he would play less, but they aren't. Why blame him for the ineptitude of others?
The frustration that Martial and Mikhi should be in and tearing it up, is being turned into negativity against their understudy. It is them that deserve the questions of their place in the squad, not the guy who the manager turns to out of trust.

I don't blame Lingard for Martial and Mkhi's struggles, but their lack of form doesn't excuse Lingard's poor performances. We need better than him as a fallback.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

He basically plays the kind of role that Kuyt played for Liverpool. I have absolutely no issue with players playing this kind of role, the only problem is that the likes of Kuyt and Will-I-Am actually chip in with the goals and assists as well as all the hard work.

As I've said a million times, in games like against Chelsea, he can serve a purpose - I'm not saying I entirely agree all the time with the role he gets picked for - but against teams when he's expected to score and create, he comes up short far too often.

I think this pretty much sums up our frustrations.

Many of us know he's hard working and vital in tactical and defensive roles, but it's true he doesn't contribute enough goals nor assists.

Lingard is for sure capable in achieving acceptable amount of goals and assists, but this season he's below par.

The comparison with Park is unjustified imo, since Park contributed even a lot more goals than the tactical hardworking stuffs.

Mourinho even said Lingard's one of the five attackers who doesn't do enough goals contributions.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...anchester-united-news-fixtures-pogba-12853848

 

[MJJ]

Rashford is young and does fancy backheels.

See LVG.

He has performed excellently these past two seasons. He has played his role this season to perfection. There's a reason the club offered him such a huge contract. That contract plus his non fancy name and personality is what's making people like you hate him. Fallacy is a dangerous thing.

Lvg the guy who got us into top four and then narrowly missed out while beating all of the top four? Yeah, I think the only reason people believe him better than moyes, but still a failure, is due to his name. If only he had a Brazilian name instead of a Dutch one, he would still be here.

 

[Verminator]

I don't blame Lingard for Martial and Mkhi's struggles, but their lack of form doesn't excuse Lingard's poor performances. We need better than him as a fallback.

But do you replace the one that is performing and keep the ones that aren't, because you hope they will?
I hope that M&M freeze out Lingard, because that would mean they are ripping it, but until then....
Lingard may not be getting us goals but he is less of a defensive liability than them when they're not producing.

 

[Lawman]

Scholes was hugely underrated by the rival fans throughout his career because of this very fact. There was nothing fancy about Neville's game let alone the name and the way he looked.

Pointless, Ramos has scored more in Europe than many attacking players these past few seasons. What was your point again?

He's an attacker at Manchester United with a goal scoring and assist record that fits into line with the likes of a relegation club. Plus what's one of our biggest faults this season? Taking chances and Lingard is a massive factor in this problem for me.

 

[Hawks2008]

But do you replace the one that is performing and keep the ones that aren't, because you hope they will?
I hope that M&M freeze out Lingard, because that would mean they are ripping it, but until then....
Lingard may not be getting us goals but he is less of a defensive liability than them when they're not producing.

But he isn't performing though, running around a lot and tracking back is only part of the job of the winger and the other part is where he falls short. He isn't incisive enough, clinical enough, or creative enough. I know Mou has a fetish for defensive workrate but when it inhibits our attack (an area in which we desperately lack quality) I don't agree with Lingard starting as much as he has.

 

[Bojan11]

Sometimes extremes are used to counter extremes.
The fact of the matter is, if the other options were performing better he would play less, but they aren't. Why blame him for the ineptitude of others?
The frustration that Martial and Mikhi should be in and tearing it up, is being turned into negativity against their understudy. It is them that deserve the questions of their place in the squad, not the guy who the manager turns to out of trust.

The issue I have is Martial or Mkhitaryan play one game then they out the team. Lingard can have 5 bad games in a row and nothing. All this talk about maturing. He is nearly 25. As a winger now is the time for him to be delivering because in 5 years time his speed will decrease.

Only the throughly world class wingers like Giggs and Robben have been able to perform well in their 30s, but they had to change their game.

 

[Lawman]

No, it has a lot more to do with maturity and decision making. Those two are his main issues. José is ideal to knock some of the former into him and the latter either comes with experience... or never does, which is the gamble here.

No I don't agree with you @antohan. We have all seen many a mature player lack composure and many a young player have it. It's vital in technique and yes it can come with experience but not always. The same goes with decision making but to a lesser extent as I agree experience is a big factor here. Though Lingard will be 25 this year and he is not a kid like Rashford who is like 5 years his junior.

 

[TheBiggest]

Vastly underrated player who brings a tinge of sadness to me as a United fan.

For me, there is nothing worse than to hear or read other United 'supporters' letting rip at a player who has come up the ranks of our academy and made it to the first team. We've seen it all before...I even remember 'fans' giving out about Scholes in the mid-90s, claiming he was too weak and too small. Gary and Phil Neville used to get an awful time from fans too...Wes Brown, John O'Shea...don't even get me started on Darren Fletcher who a lot of fans used to lambaste. Fans used to tear shreds out of Fletch. It's cringeworthy bollocks.

Jesse Lingard has been at our club for 13-years and has made it up every rung of the ladder, getting into our first team and scoring the most important goals we have scored in the post-Fergie era. And MUCH MORE than that, he works his penis off, 100% EVERY match he plays and gives us a sense of identity as a club, something that's been sorely lacking post-Fergie. I'd take one Lingard over 100 Di Marias and Falcaos every day of every week.

Shame on you - shame on any of you, for slagging off a player who has given his all to our club since he was 10-years of age. And if you can't see with your own eyes how much dynamic he brings to our team, how much identity he brings to our club, then your football opinion is by-the-by as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes it's shameful being a United fan and having to be associated with other fans' opinions.

Trust me; if we had 11 players on the pitch with Lingard's discipline every week, we'd be doing a helluva lot better than we are doing right now.

 

[Faetheshire86]

The issue I have is Martial or Mkhitaryan play one game then they out the team.

Yeah I completely agree with this, it can't be easy performing under that kind of pressure. Knowing you are being judged game to game. Never really getting a decent run in the team. However, all three of those guys have had similar games/minutes this season. And if the gulf between them and Jesse is so big, then they should be proving it.

Lingard can have 5 bad games in a row and nothing.

I think your definition of a bad game, is different to what Mourinho's definition is (and mine for that matter). Can I think of a run of 5 games where Lingard was consistently bad? Nope. Can I think of a run of 5 games where Lingard hasn't done something eye-catching? That sounds more probable.

At the moment Lingard is simply more efficient than the other two. He has better passing accuracy and general ball retention, whilst only creating slightly less chances than Mkhitaryan. Combination of his movement and work-rate means he is always making himself available for a pass in the final third, not sexy, but important for someone to be looking to link with our lone striker. In fact the only player who exceeds Lingard in all of these regards is Juan Mata and it's no surprise than Jesse has played more in his absence. That said Lingard does have more pace and we all know that's the most overrated important attribute for a United player.

The one thing he must improve on, without question is his goals. There is hardly a player in our team that I wouldn't level this at, but it also doesn't excuse him. He has never struck me as a poor finisher, nor threatening at being prolific - but 5-10 goals is the minimum he should be aiming for with the minutes he has played.

 

[devips]

Yeah I completely agree with this, it can't be easy performing under that kind of pressure. Knowing you are being judged game to game. Never really getting a decent run in the team. However, all three of those guys have had similar games/minutes this season. And if the gulf between them and Jesse is so big, then they should be proving it.



I think your definition of a bad game, is different to what Mourinho's definition is (and mine for that matter). Can I think of a run of 5 games where Lingard was consistently bad? Nope. Can I think of a run of 5 games where Lingard hasn't done something eye-catching? That sounds more probable.

At the moment Lingard is simply more efficient than the other two. He has better passing accuracy and general ball retention, whilst only creating slightly less chances than Mkhitaryan. Combination of his movement and work-rate means he is always making himself available for a pass in the final third, not sexy, but important for someone to be looking to link with our lone striker. In fact the only player who exceeds Lingard in all of these regards is Juan Mata and it's no surprise than Jesse has played more in his absence. That said Lingard does have more pace and we all know that's the most overrated important attribute for a United player.

The one thing he must improve on, without question is his goals. There is hardly a player in our team that I wouldn't level this at, but it also doesn't excuse him. He has never struck me as a poor finisher, nor threatening at being prolific - but 5-10 goals is the minimum he should be aiming for with the minutes he has played.

Absolutely agree with everything you wrote. The rabid haters in this thread are pathetic.

 

[VivaObertan]

Vastly underrated player who brings a tinge of sadness to me as a United fan.

For me, there is nothing worse than to hear or read other United 'supporters' letting rip at a player who has come up the ranks of our academy and made it to the first team. We've seen it all before...I even remember 'fans' giving out about Scholes in the mid-90s, claiming he was too weak and too small. Gary and Phil Neville used to get an awful time from fans too...Wes Brown, John O'Shea...don't even get me started on Darren Fletcher who a lot of fans used to lambaste. Fans used to tear shreds out of Fletch. It's cringeworthy bollocks.

Jesse Lingard has been at our club for 13-years and has made it up every rung of the ladder, getting into our first team and scoring the most important goals we have scored in the post-Fergie era. And MUCH MORE than that, he works his penis off, 100% EVERY match he plays and gives us a sense of identity as a club, something that's been sorely lacking post-Fergie. I'd take one Lingard over 100 Di Marias and Falcaos every day of every week.

Shame on you - shame on any of you, for slagging off a player who has given his all to our club since he was 10-years of age. And if you can't see with your own eyes how much dynamic he brings to our team, how much identity he brings to our club, then your football opinion is by-the-by as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes it's shameful being a United fan and having to be associated with other fans' opinions.

Trust me; if we had 11 players on the pitch with Lingard's discipline every week, we'd be doing a helluva lot better than we are doing right now.

Yes!! Completely agree

Can't wait for someone to quote one line to 'discredit your argument'

 

[Mr.Plow]

He's been a brilliant player for us for the past 2 years. He doesn't look fancy or sound fancy, that's his problem.

What a crazy assertion to make. If anything, the fact that he's English and an academy product gets him a lot of leniency. Just look at the depths people are willing to go to defend him.

Also, "brilliant" He's been anything but.

 

[edgecutter]

Vastly underrated player who brings a tinge of sadness to me as a United fan.

For me, there is nothing worse than to hear or read other United 'supporters' letting rip at a player who has come up the ranks of our academy and made it to the first team. We've seen it all before...I even remember 'fans' giving out about Scholes in the mid-90s, claiming he was too weak and too small. Gary and Phil Neville used to get an awful time from fans too...Wes Brown, John O'Shea...don't even get me started on Darren Fletcher who a lot of fans used to lambaste. Fans used to tear shreds out of Fletch. It's cringeworthy bollocks.

Jesse Lingard has been at our club for 13-years and has made it up every rung of the ladder, getting into our first team and scoring the most important goals we have scored in the post-Fergie era. And MUCH MORE than that, he works his penis off, 100% EVERY match he plays and gives us a sense of identity as a club, something that's been sorely lacking post-Fergie. I'd take one Lingard over 100 Di Marias and Falcaos every day of every week.

Shame on you - shame on any of you, for slagging off a player who has given his all to our club since he was 10-years of age. And if you can't see with your own eyes how much dynamic he brings to our team, how much identity he brings to our club, then your football opinion is by-the-by as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes it's shameful being a United fan and having to be associated with other fans' opinions.

Trust me; if we had 11 players on the pitch with Lingard's discipline every week, we'd be doing a helluva lot better than we are doing right now.

Never slagged the player off, just questioned whether the club can challenge with a player like Lingard. There is no question he works hard, but that doesn't help us win games and the stats for Lingard are not good enough to warrant a starting place local kid or not. He plays in an area that simply hasn't done enough this year and we have found ourselves out of the title race.

O'Shea, Brown and Fletcher did receive a lot of abuse throughout their time here, but they didn't play in a prominent attacking role that Lingard plays. We need more from him.

 

[Hawks2008]

Vastly underrated player who brings a tinge of sadness to me as a United fan.

For me, there is nothing worse than to hear or read other United 'supporters' letting rip at a player who has come up the ranks of our academy and made it to the first team. We've seen it all before...I even remember 'fans' giving out about Scholes in the mid-90s, claiming he was too weak and too small. Gary and Phil Neville used to get an awful time from fans too...Wes Brown, John O'Shea...don't even get me started on Darren Fletcher who a lot of fans used to lambaste. Fans used to tear shreds out of Fletch. It's cringeworthy bollocks.

Jesse Lingard has been at our club for 13-years and has made it up every rung of the ladder, getting into our first team and scoring the most important goals we have scored in the post-Fergie era. And MUCH MORE than that, he works his penis off, 100% EVERY match he plays and gives us a sense of identity as a club, something that's been sorely lacking post-Fergie. I'd take one Lingard over 100 Di Marias and Falcaos every day of every week.

Shame on you - shame on any of you, for slagging off a player who has given his all to our club since he was 10-years of age. And if you can't see with your own eyes how much dynamic he brings to our team, how much identity he brings to our club, then your football opinion is by-the-by as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes it's shameful being a United fan and having to be associated with other fans' opinions.

Trust me; if we had 11 players on the pitch with Lingard's discipline every week, we'd be doing a helluva lot better than we are doing right now.

So we should all be rimming him because he's local and runs around a lot? Stop trying to take the moral high ground on this because there is none, I like having academy products as much as anyone so long as they're good enough and this season he hasn't been. He has heart and the right mentality, but he shouldn't be starting for a club with ambitions as ours. The only thing that is cringeworthy is how self-righteous you come across in this post, but then again I musn't be a t0p red like you... If we had it your way I reckon the likes of Welbeck, Cleverly, Blackett, Keane etc. would still be at the club.

 

[Oscie]

I'm never a huge fan of using certain stats to evidence a player's effectiveness. Someone can get an assist in a game but otherwise by absolutely awful. Conversely someone can get none but play very well. For me it's a notable exception whenever Lingard isn't among the bottom 2 or 3 worst performing outfield players on the pitch during a game. Someone made the Fellaini comparison before, I think, that the expectation levels are so low that he only really needs to do 'okay' or the bare minimum for it to be classed as a great game.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Vastly underrated player who brings a tinge of sadness to me as a United fan.

For me, there is nothing worse than to hear or read other United 'supporters' letting rip at a player who has come up the ranks of our academy and made it to the first team. We've seen it all before...I even remember 'fans' giving out about Scholes in the mid-90s, claiming he was too weak and too small. Gary and Phil Neville used to get an awful time from fans too...Wes Brown, John O'Shea...don't even get me started on Darren Fletcher who a lot of fans used to lambaste. Fans used to tear shreds out of Fletch. It's cringeworthy bollocks.

Jesse Lingard has been at our club for 13-years and has made it up every rung of the ladder, getting into our first team and scoring the most important goals we have scored in the post-Fergie era. And MUCH MORE than that, he works his penis off, 100% EVERY match he plays and gives us a sense of identity as a club, something that's been sorely lacking post-Fergie. I'd take one Lingard over 100 Di Marias and Falcaos every day of every week.

Shame on you - shame on any of you, for slagging off a player who has given his all to our club since he was 10-years of age. And if you can't see with your own eyes how much dynamic he brings to our team, how much identity he brings to our club, then your football opinion is by-the-by as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes it's shameful being a United fan and having to be associated with other fans' opinions.

Trust me; if we had 11 players on the pitch with Lingard's discipline every week, we'd be doing a helluva lot better than we are doing right now.

All well and good, but romanticism doesn't get you far in the long run. He needs to buck his ideas up in front of goal, he had 3 great chances and you just can't afford to miss them at that stage, especially in an away leg.

Yes he does work very hard nobody can dispute that, but there's plenty of willing runners in football. Goals are what matter, and if you're playing as part of a front 3 you HAVE to back it up with 10-15 goals a season.

 

[hubbuh]

Vastly underrated player who brings a tinge of sadness to me as a United fan.

For me, there is nothing worse than to hear or read other United 'supporters' letting rip at a player who has come up the ranks of our academy and made it to the first team. We've seen it all before...I even remember 'fans' giving out about Scholes in the mid-90s, claiming he was too weak and too small. Gary and Phil Neville used to get an awful time from fans too...Wes Brown, John O'Shea...don't even get me started on Darren Fletcher who a lot of fans used to lambaste. Fans used to tear shreds out of Fletch. It's cringeworthy bollocks.

Jesse Lingard has been at our club for 13-years and has made it up every rung of the ladder, getting into our first team and scoring the most important goals we have scored in the post-Fergie era. And MUCH MORE than that, he works his penis off, 100% EVERY match he plays and gives us a sense of identity as a club, something that's been sorely lacking post-Fergie. I'd take one Lingard over 100 Di Marias and Falcaos every day of every week.

Shame on you - shame on any of you, for slagging off a player who has given his all to our club since he was 10-years of age. And if you can't see with your own eyes how much dynamic he brings to our team, how much identity he brings to our club, then your football opinion is by-the-by as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes it's shameful being a United fan and having to be associated with other fans' opinions.

Trust me; if we had 11 players on the pitch with Lingard's discipline every week, we'd be doing a helluva lot better than we are doing right now.

Well said. The sad truth though is that some people don't actually give a shit about the academy. It's a symptom of the instant gratification habits pervasive in modern football (and life). They'd much sooner we chucked £50m+ at the problem than see if one of our own can develop into the role. Seeing nasty shit spouted about players that have dedicated so much of their lives to this club turns me off this place. That being said, he really should be more clinical. That chance Rashford put him onto had to be converted. He's got the tools to be a great squad player for us.

 

[Oscie]

Vastly underrated player who brings a tinge of sadness to me as a United fan.

We can at least all unite behind the second half of that sentence

 

[shield]

Why can't he just freaking SCORE? Why do we have to waste time bickering about whether he is good or not?

He gets into good positions and gets at least one good chance each game. If he could only convert these chances we would be saying something like "Has been very good the last couple of games. Hope Martial learns a thing or two". Instead we have to go analysing whether he is actually good or just an average runner.

 

[TheBiggest]

Some fans are really pathetic. The responses here are cringe-worthy.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Is it just me or can he just not get a foul given? For as many times as he goes over, he gets remarkably few calls given for a forward.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Vastly underrated player who brings a tinge of sadness to me as a United fan.

For me, there is nothing worse than to hear or read other United 'supporters' letting rip at a player who has come up the ranks of our academy and made it to the first team. We've seen it all before...I even remember 'fans' giving out about Scholes in the mid-90s, claiming he was too weak and too small. Gary and Phil Neville used to get an awful time from fans too...Wes Brown, John O'Shea...don't even get me started on Darren Fletcher who a lot of fans used to lambaste. Fans used to tear shreds out of Fletch. It's cringeworthy bollocks.

Jesse Lingard has been at our club for 13-years and has made it up every rung of the ladder, getting into our first team and scoring the most important goals we have scored in the post-Fergie era. And MUCH MORE than that, he works his penis off, 100% EVERY match he plays and gives us a sense of identity as a club, something that's been sorely lacking post-Fergie. I'd take one Lingard over 100 Di Marias and Falcaos every day of every week.

Shame on you - shame on any of you, for slagging off a player who has given his all to our club since he was 10-years of age. And if you can't see with your own eyes how much dynamic he brings to our team, how much identity he brings to our club, then your football opinion is by-the-by as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes it's shameful being a United fan and having to be associated with other fans' opinions.

Trust me; if we had 11 players on the pitch with Lingard's discipline every week, we'd be doing a helluva lot better than we are doing right now.

Wrong thread. This is about his performances not some pompous lecture.

 

[PepsiCola]

Vastly underrated player who brings a tinge of sadness to me as a United fan.

For me, there is nothing worse than to hear or read other United 'supporters' letting rip at a player who has come up the ranks of our academy and made it to the first team. We've seen it all before...I even remember 'fans' giving out about Scholes in the mid-90s, claiming he was too weak and too small. Gary and Phil Neville used to get an awful time from fans too...Wes Brown, John O'Shea...don't even get me started on Darren Fletcher who a lot of fans used to lambaste. Fans used to tear shreds out of Fletch. It's cringeworthy bollocks.

Jesse Lingard has been at our club for 13-years and has made it up every rung of the ladder, getting into our first team and scoring the most important goals we have scored in the post-Fergie era. And MUCH MORE than that, he works his penis off, 100% EVERY match he plays and gives us a sense of identity as a club, something that's been sorely lacking post-Fergie. I'd take one Lingard over 100 Di Marias and Falcaos every day of every week.

Shame on you - shame on any of you, for slagging off a player who has given his all to our club since he was 10-years of age. And if you can't see with your own eyes how much dynamic he brings to our team, how much identity he brings to our club, then your football opinion is by-the-by as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes it's shameful being a United fan and having to be associated with other fans' opinions.

Trust me; if we had 11 players on the pitch with Lingard's discipline every week, we'd be doing a helluva lot better than we are doing right now.

11 players with Lingard's ability and we'd probably be a championship side.

Hope you feel better after your rant, however.

 

[Mr.Plow]

Well said. The sad truth though is that some people don't actually give a shit about the academy. It's a symptom of the instant gratification habits pervasive in modern football (and life). They'd much sooner we chucked £50m+ at the problem than see if one of our own can develop into the role. Seeing nasty shit spouted about players that have dedicated so much of their lives to this club turns me off this place. That being said, he really should be more clinical. That chance Rashford put him onto had to be converted. He's got the tools to be a great squad player for us.

Why should anyone really give a damn about the academy? I've followed Utd since 2004 and Welbeck is the only player we've produced in that time who's even top 10 quality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Rashford is the only real prospect I've seen in 13 years. Other than him, when was the last time a Utd academy product became a mainstay for England? Or even a regular in our team.

The days of relying on the academy are over. It's not feasible if we want to be competitive. Lingard is nowhere near the required standard, neither was Gibson, Wilson, Cleverly, Eagles, Richardson etc. There needs to be some serious investment in the academy for it to become important again.

 

[Janson]

He's simply being deployed in our current tactics. I don't think anybody expects him to be a definite starter next season, it's just for the past 2-3 seasons we've had zero pace in our attacking third. Rooney, Zlatan, Mata, Van Persie, Fellaini its all very slow.

Lingard is an intelligent player who takes very little glory himself but instead drags players around the pitch because of his pace and acceleration, which frees up Rashford, which frees up holes for Pogba to run in to. Lingards performances on the pitch are very underrated because he doesn't score much, doesn't do anything particularly eye catching enough, but he gives Mourinho a solid 6 out of 10 in a role that he needs performing this season.

Next season we will have some new, better players and as a result Jose will formulate a slightly different tactic, but right now Jesse plays his part in our attack, and our attack is creating chances.

This. People don't see/value the positive things he does.

 

[SachinJ22]

@Raoul I want to know your opinion about Lingard. Maybe you can write a good post which analyzes Lingard's performance and his value to the team instead of saying that other's posts are "knee-jerk reactions". And we might also learn a thing or two about how to write "quality" posts.

 

[izzydiggler]

This. People don't see/value the positive things he does.

I think with some improvement and better players around him, he could be a useful 'last resort' and useful after some injuries etc but I'm interested to see why so many people feel being 6/10 every week is somehow something to be applauded in a Manchester United player.

You read so many comments and threads going on about the smallest of tactics and body language analysis etc but the simple reason we are below the top four and looking miles of a title winning team is that we have far too many 6/10 players - I'd be delighted if Lingard was replaced with a 9/10 one, regardless of anything else.