Javier Pastore

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Glad he didn't go to Chelsea but what a sideways step for him.
 
Well the money will be good, and the it's one of the greatest cities in Europe to live in. In fact as a club to build it could and should be huge.
 
Solius said:
Glad he didn't go to Chelsea but what a sideways step for him.
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Sideways? He's moved from a team who finished 8th to a team who finished 4th, from a team who are in nothing to a team in the Europa league, and from a selling club to a club that are potential league winners.
 
In a league that's a much worse standard. If he was after trophies he should have gone to the SPL.
 
Also moving to a team with new owners, probably one of the favourites to win the league and enter the champions league next year. Do not think he'll stick around in Paris for long. Maybe 2 seasons at most, then will probably move to Spain or something.
 
I don't think the Serie A's anywhere near the level you're suggesting, the quality's still incredibly low (for their standards) and it doesn't look like improving in the near future. If you look at the uefa coefficients they're much closer to France than they are Germany, never mind England and Spain. They're no longer one of the biggest leagues, there's the top two and then the next three, IMO.

Ligue Un's certainly worse but there's not levels between them, while there is a level between Palermo - a team who were in Serie C1 just a decade ago - and PSG - a team who were judged the best team in Europe just over a decade ago by Uefa.
 
His main motivation is money.There is nothing attractive about playing for PSG other than the money right now (and possibly living in the great Paris).
He could played at a better level if he stayed or joined other clubs but he chose the easiest way in terms of being guaranteed first team football and earning lots of money.That and the fact Palermo also wanted him to sign for PSG who were more willing than Chelsea to pay what was required.
 
kouroux said:
His main motivation is money.There is nothing attractive about playing for PSG other than the money right now (and possibly living in the great Paris).
He could played at a better level if he stayed or joined other clubs but he chose the easiest way in terms of being guaranteed first team football and earning lots of money.That and the fact Palermo also wanted him to sign for PSG who were more willing than Chelsea to pay what was required.
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And what makes you think Chelsea wouldn't have paid him a lot of money? They aren't exactly famous for the modest wages of their players.

Paris is a great city, PSG have ambition and have better prospects than Palermo. They will be in the running for the league title and have every chance of being in the CL next season. Pastore is only 22, he could move to one of the biggest clubs in Europe in 3 or 4 years' time, after getting a bit of experience at the highest level under less intense pressure.
 
I didn't say they didn't wanna a lot of money for him did I ? I just said PSG were more direct, they wouldn't spend a lot of time negotiating with the team.
Paris was a great city before and the club had ambitions to win the trophy/get back on the CL last season, they just didn't have the financial power to attract a guy like him.
Money is by far the main motivating element in this.It's not a surprise after all, it's how they make their living.
 
PSG is a much more tempting prospect right now than any other french football club right now. Obviously the money is good, but they've got rich owners and got a good guy in Leonardo.
 
Better that PSG got him instead of Chelsea. He could have filled the future gap in their midfield quite successsfully. I suspect this won't be his last move in Europe though. He will find his way to England or Spain eventually.
 
Anyway this thread can now be closed for the forseeable future.
 
sdb4884 said:
French league football is underrated and will only get better.
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Yeah, it definitely seems that way.

I'm a bit saddened by the downfall of the Serie A. They look like they could be on their way of becoming the fifth best league in Europe from being the bar none best league in the world just 10 years ago.
 
Iron Stove said:
Yeah, it definitely seems that way.

I'm a bit saddened by the downfall of the Serie A. They look like they could be on their way of becoming the fifth best league in Europe from being the bar none best league in the world just 10 years ago.
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I really don't think that is the case, and neither is Serie A as poor as has been suggested in this thread so far. I'd be interested to know how much Italian football some on here actually watch. Roma, Napoli, Juventus and a couple of other clubs are re-emerging and have shown some real ambition in this transfer window while teams like Udinese, Fiorentina etc have also shown themselves to be challengers for the top 4. The two Milan clubs are very strong ofcourse.

There's a lot to be excited about in this coming Serie A season, so I don't understand the negativity. Calciopoli was always going to have a severe adverse effect on Italian football so it understandably has taken time for Serie A to recover.
 
Strange one. He's better than he French League.

Money talks eh. PSG could end up like City if the QIA spend like Mansoor does.
 
I'm baffled that people find this move strange.

PSG is a club with great history, newly found wealth, situated in Paris and plays in the 5th strongest league in the world. According to UEFA they are more close to Italy in strength than Italy is to Germany.

He's going to be their main man. He left a particulary small club sided in mob center and will get better wages. What's not to get? Did he turn down offers from any other clubs? No because no else bidded as far as we know, at least didn't get one accepted.
 
Brwned said:
Sideways? He's moved from a team who finished 8th to a team who finished 4th, from a team who are in nothing to a team in the Europa league, and from a selling club to a club that are potential league winners.
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To a league of similar standard in my opinion - Serie A isn't as good as it was.

Still, he had the chance to come to the PL with a potential league winner and latter stage CL club.

Guess he has his reasons, probably that he thinks he'll get kicked more over here or won't be playing every week. A few seasons there then if he does well he'll be at Barca or Madrid.
 
Snow said:
I'm baffled that people find this move strange.

PSG is a club with great history, newly found wealth, situated in Paris and plays in the 5th strongest league in the world. According to UEFA they are more close to Italy in strength than Italy is to Germany.

He's going to be their main man. He left a particulary small club sided in mob center and will get better wages. What's not to get? Did he turn down offers from any other clubs? No because no else bidded as far as we know, at least didn't get one accepted.
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A great history? The club is only 40 years old ffs. Your goalie last season was the same age as them!

Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Manchester United. Those clubs have a great history. PSG are a very young team who have won their domestic league only twice. They are certainly going places but come on!
 
Virtuoso said:
I really don't think that is the case, and neither is Serie A as poor as has been suggested in this thread so far. I'd be interested to know how much Italian football some on here actually watch. Roma, Napoli, Juventus and a couple of other clubs are re-emerging and have shown some real ambition in this transfer window while teams like Udinese, Fiorentina etc have also shown themselves to be challengers for the top 4. The two Milan clubs are very strong ofcourse.

There's a lot to be excited about in this coming Serie A season, so I don't understand the negativity. Calciopoli was always going to have a severe adverse effect on Italian football so it understandably has taken time for Serie A to recover.
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I watch a fair amount of Italian football on ESPN, or to be honest as much as I can handle without turning over.

I used to love Italian football in the glory days of Gullit, Rijkard, Van Basten and the great Milan side which dominated. Boban and Savecevic were particular favourites - and then Veron, Nedved, Crespo, Vieri and Salas.

Now, to be perfectly frank, most games I see are fairly boring.

Most of the worlds best players played in Serie A at some point in the 80's and 90's but thats no longer the case, the PL and La Liga being (for me) streets ahead in terms of entertainment.

The standard appears lower - performances in the CL highlighting this, with Jose's miracle at Inter the obvious exception. The Italian national side also no longer has teh lustre it once did - half the players I've never heard of.

Clubs over there seem to be trying to drag themsleves back into contention but I often find transfers strange - buying unknown players from various clubs for often huge sums in complex co-ownership or loan deals - all just seems a bit fishy to me. Never mind the bubbling under current of corruption which never seems to die.
 
duffer said:
A great history? The club is only 40 years old ffs. Your goalie last season was the same age as them!

Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Manchester United. Those clubs have a great history. PSG are a very young team who have won their domestic league only twice. They are certainly going places but come on!
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Won the cup 8 times. So their average is better than all those teams mentioned.

They were founded by two merged teams, went as fast up to the top as you can and have never been relegated. Was voted the team of the year in 94 and have had many of the greatest players who have played in France play for them in the past decade.

By your definition of great history there are only a few teams and no one else to be considered to have a great one.

Does Notts County have a great history?
 
The history and how beautiful Paris is really matter little in this case.Palermo wanted money, Pastore wasn't against moving, PSG was the club leading the chase for his purchase, they had the sufficient funds for his transfer and wages.
Swap Paris with another club with Qatari owners (tbh it's a paradox as what attracted the Qataris is Paris itself and how they could develop the football club) and Pastore would have ended up playing for them
 
RedRover said:
I watch a fair amount of Italian football on ESPN, or to be honest as much as I can handle without turning over.

I used to love Italian football in the glory days of Gullit, Rijkard, Van Basten and the great Milan side which dominated. Boban and Savecevic were particular favourites - and then Veron, Nedved, Crespo, Vieri and Salas.

Now, to be perfectly frank, most games I see are fairly boring.

Most of the worlds best players played in Serie A at some point in the 80's and 90's but thats no longer the case, the PL and La Liga being (for me) streets ahead in terms of entertainment.

The standard appears lower - performances in the CL highlighting this, with Jose's miracle at Inter the obvious exception. The Italian national side also no longer has teh lustre it once did - half the players I've never heard of.

Clubs over there seem to be trying to drag themsleves back into contention but I often find transfers strange - buying unknown players from various clubs for often huge sums in complex co-ownership or loan deals - all just seems a bit fishy to me. Never mind the bubbling under current of corruption which never seems to die.
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Disagree with almost all of that, also feel there is a strong sense of contradiction in saying that you watch 'a fair amount' and yet you haven't heard of 'half the players' in the national side. But it is down to opinions what someone finds boring and what someone doesn't.
 
Snow said:
Won the cup 8 times. So their average is better than all those teams mentioned.


They were founded by two merged teams, went as fast up to the top as you can and have never been relegated. Was voted the team of the year in 94 and have had many of the greatest players who have played in France play for them in the past decade.

By your definition of great history there are only a few teams and no one else to be considered to have a great one.

Does Notts County have a great history?
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Well, yes. I do think only a few teams can claim to have a great history.

Christ, it's thrown in my face here enough that Chelsea have "no history" and we have won more than PSG and have been around for a hell of a lot longer.

And I would not say Notts county have a great history no. They have a long history, not a great one.
 
Solius said:
Glad he didn't go to Chelsea but what a sideways step for him.
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Who would you prefer to have joined Chelsea? Pastore or Modric? Now that they lost Pastore, they will definitely sign someone, most likely Modric.
 
I see this as a strange move, although PSG should be considered a step up from Palermo, it is not a significant step up. He is now at the stage where he should now be trying to make his mark at one of the biggest clubs, challenging for the biggest trophies.

PSG may be ambitious, but i still cannot see them becoming serious challengers for the major trophies so what's the point in him going there really?

As much as i am glad he didn't join Chelsea, i have to question his logic for not doing so. Playing well for an average European team in a second rate league is not really the same as becoming a stand out performer for a club seriously contending the biggest trophies season after season.That is the type of platform from which you can establish yourself as a world class talent.

2 or 3 years playing in France will do nothing for his standing, however well he plays there will be still serious question marks about whether he can cut it at the highest level, because he will have played almost all his football outside the benchmark leagues.
 
duffer said:
Well, yes. I do think only a few teams can claim to have a great history.

Christ, it's thrown in my face here enough that Chelsea have "no history" and we have won more than PSG and have been around for a hell of a lot longer.

And I would not say Notts county have a great history no. They have a long history, not a great one.
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Fair assessment of things. I for one don't approve of this "you don't have history blablabla" namecalling. I don't know why United fans would use it constantly. It's exactly the same as the scousers harping on about their 18 titles, biggest club in England blablabla when they've been pretty average for a long time.

No one is going to join a club just because of their achievements in the 50's.
 
Virtuoso said:
Disagree with almost all of that, also feel there is a strong sense of contradiction in saying that you watch 'a fair amount' and yet you haven't heard of 'half the players' in the national side. But it is down to opinions what someone finds boring and what someone doesn't.
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Fair enough.

In terms of not having heard of players, perhaps I should clarify - the point I was making was that in the past they had stand out players in most positions - some of the worlds best and that's no longer the case.

I guess it just doesn't compare to what I used to watch years ago - but you're right, its down to personal opinion.
 
RedRover said:
Fair enough.

In terms of not having heard of players, perhaps I should clarify - the point I was making was that in the past they had stand out players in most positions - some of the worlds best and that's no longer the case.

I guess it just doesn't compare to what I used to watch years ago - but you're right, its down to personal opinion.
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That is a fair point, players like Maggio and Criscito for example at the full back positions are far less known than those before them but still talented players all the same. It definitely isn't what it used to be, but I do see promise and much to be excited about in this coming season.
 
Virtuoso said:
I really don't think that is the case, and neither is Serie A as poor as has been suggested in this thread so far. I'd be interested to know how much Italian football some on here actually watch. Roma, Napoli, Juventus and a couple of other clubs are re-emerging and have shown some real ambition in this transfer window while teams like Udinese, Fiorentina etc have also shown themselves to be challengers for the top 4. The two Milan clubs are very strong ofcourse.

There's a lot to be excited about in this coming Serie A season, so I don't understand the negativity. Calciopoli was always going to have a severe adverse effect on Italian football so it understandably has taken time for Serie A to recover.
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I used to watch the Serie A as much as I watched the PL back in the day. It was the best league I have ever seen with 7 or so really strong teams. Then Calciopoli happened and everything went tits up. Attendances falling haven't helped their case either I suppose.

Now it seems that every single time I make an effort to watch a Serie A game I'm always left disappointed by the dullness of the games.

I prefect watching La Liga or the Bundesliga these days.
 
I love Serie A. The days of all out defensive football from every team are gone. Anyway this thread really should be shut or locked for a few years.
 
its just a wierd move for him. When you are talking about a talent as such you think he'll want to be getting into a team playing in the CL later stages, giving himself a platform to win a spot in the national team but this move doesn't do that.

No disrespect to the french league but it just isnt on the same level as the leagues about it and that includes the Italian league.

If you look at other ARgentine players he'll have to be a revelation at PSG, in europe esepcially to find himself seriously forcing his way into a starting spot with his national team.

Where as if he moved to a genuinely big club in a big league he'd have a much better chance.
 
I kinda hoped Chelsea would get him. He would have been more expensive than Modric and he might not work out in the premier league, whereas Modric is proven premier league player.
 
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