Javier Pastore

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Does anyone seriously suggest that players go to Real Madrid for money? It's obvious that they have the appeal, and it's not exactly caused by the amount of money they throw at players because they pay basically the same wages any other huge club does (with an exception of Ronaldo, but he deserves that). It's caused by their history, prestige, them being recognized as the biggest club in the world, the weather and climate in Spain help as well.
 
City bidding for Pastore and getting turned down is old news though. Didn't that happen in the January transfer window?
Yes, but it's been confirmed and the the current rumour is that Palermo haven't received a €50 mil offer and the highest one so far has been £30 mil from City.

I think we are all adjusting to the fact that transfer windows for Man United will be very underwhelming for the foreseeable future.

I adjusted after we signed Owen.
 
Does anyone seriously suggest that players go to Real Madrid for money? It's obvious that they have the appeal, and it's not exactly caused by the amount of money they throw at players because they pay basically the same wages any other huge club does (with an exception of Ronaldo, but he deserves that). It's caused by their history, prestige, them being recognized as the biggest club in the world, the weather and climate in Spain help as well.

No, but it is one ofthe reasons. As a package they can hardly be beat.
 
Reports from Italy that he was in talks to go to Roma have been quashed by his agent. I know you've not heard it but it's been doing the rounds today.
 
That would be a fairly unambitious move for the boy.

Apparently there's talk of some Yanks buying into the club coming in so the media are linking them to buy half of Serie A. Pastores agent came out very quickly to refute the reports that they'd been in talks. In fact he makes it sound as if Pastore will be staying at Palermo for another season befor ethey even consider offers.
 
Manchester City target Javier Pastore has no intention of leaving Palermo this summer - agent
Argentine playmaker has not been contacted by any clubs

Marcelo Simonian, the agent of Palermo ace Javier Pastore, has ruled out a summer exit for his client, insisting the 21-year-old has "no intention" of leaving the Sicilian club.

Roma have recently been linked with a move for the Argentine, while Real Madrid, Barcelona and Manchester City continue to be associated with a substantial transfer offer.

However, Simonian made clear there was no intention to seek a departure in the summer, and insists Pastore will remain grounded in his surroundings at the Aquile.

"No-one from Roma has contacted me or Palermo for Javier Pastore," the agent told Tuttomercatoweb.com.

"Therefore, there is nothing true. We are not thinking about dealing with any teams as the intention is not to leave Palermo."

Pastore moved to Palermo in 2009 and has netted 10 goals in 30 Serie A appearances this season.
Someones done a proper translation.
 
Chelsea transfer news Carlo Ancelotti wants £60m-rated Palermo playmaker Javier Pastore to provide the ammunition for misfiring Fernando Torres and hopes to get him for £30m - News - MirrorFootball.co.uk
Carlo Ancelotti wants to sign *Argentine attacking midfielder Javier Pastore this summer.

Palermo have placed a £60million price tag on the 21-year-old play-maker, who is also being tracked by Barcelona and Real Madrid.

But Ancelotti believes he can sign Pastore for half that, as Chelsea again look to spend big after their January splurge on Fernando Torres and David Luiz.

The 6ft 2in star, part of Diego Maradona’s World Cup squad last year, plays the *creative role behind the strikers and the Italian believes he is the man to bring the best out of Torres.

Pastore, who moved to Sicily for just £6m in 2009, signed a new long-term contract last year, as Palermo owner Maurizio Zamparini claimed he turned down a £23m bid from Real Madrid.

However, Palermo are a selling club and want to start an auction for his services in the summer.

Zamparini admitted: “Until the end of season he will play for Palermo. Despite my interest for the club and player, I am already looking for his replacement.

“I feel it will be difficult for an Italian club to buy him. His price is already high at €70million – he will move abroad.”
 
From my thought, there was no way Suarez was going for 22m...

Sh$t happens...

For what is worth, for value, I don't think Pastore should cost more than 5-7m of what we got for Anderson... He also hasn't touched the CL's yet and has only featured in a few International matches.

25m Would already be a steep price.... Value wise.
 
Well some would say you overpaid for Anderson, he was untested, it's easier to flurish in portugal than in england or italy. And no disrespect to Anderson but he hasnt exactly proven himself worth the money. He looked a great talent at first but he seems to be stalling. And he's fat.

Pastore is thin, therefor worth at least 10mil on what you paid for Anderson. Also been a star performer in Italy whilst Anderson hasnt really been a star performer in a big league. Silly comparison.
 
Its not silly, in reality, they both were playing as the playmaker for a team in a Europe league. Serie A owns the Portuguese league but if we're talking Value, its not far off.

5-7m difference is talking sense, not to mention Anderson had the upper hand on Pastore in putting some decent shifts in the CL.

Re-think FV.
 
Zamparini: Pastore is staying

The highly-rated Argentinian playmaker has been a reported target of several European clubs, including Chelsea, Barcelona and Manchester City.

"Pastore wants to remain at Palermo," Zamparini told Gazzetta dello Sport. "He is a very intelligent man, who wants to improve. He has decided to remain with us for another year."
Even if Chelsea were to make an offer this year, he would not move. Barcelona already made an offer and I said to them that this year he would not leave.
Maurizio Zamparini on Javier Pastore

The 21-year-old, who joined Palermo from Huracan in 2009, has also attracted the attentions of Serie A clubs Napoli and Roma.

"I have already turned down a €50m offer for Pastore," Zamparini said. "Even if Chelsea were to make an offer this year, he would not move. Barcelona already made an offer and I said to them that this year he would not leave."

Pastore is Palermo's top scorer with ten league goals in 30 appearances so far this season, and is under contract with the club until June 2014.

So Pastores going nowhere for a season. To the Sanchez thread!
 
which one, the 'New Sanchez' or the old Sanchez???

Both, though according to a newbie, I only jump on band wagons and have no knowledge of the players I'm talking about, or because I don't start threads therefore all my interest is me pretending to have followed these player. My advice the firsrt one then. Don't want t be accused as being something we're not.
 
Both, though according to a newbie, I only jump on band wagons and have no knowledge of the players I'm talking about, or because I don't start threads therefore all my interest is me pretending to have followed these player. My advice the firsrt one then. Don't want t be accused as being something we're not.

You a newbie scout?

Wish i was a newbie scout :(
 
Its not silly, in reality, they both were playing as the playmaker for a team in a Europe league. Serie A owns the Portuguese league but if we're talking Value, its not far off.

5-7m difference is talking sense, not to mention Anderson had the upper hand on Pastore in putting some decent shifts in the CL.

Re-think FV.

Right now Pastore is much higher rated than Anderson, Anderson has done relatively noting whilst Pastore has been making waves.

A realistic value is a value i think he would go for now. I doubt he'd go for less than 30mil.
 
Pastore himself has now responded to the reported interest of United, Chelsea and Liverpool by reiterating the comments of his president and claiming a will be sold for the right price.

"The president admires me and he likes me a lot," Pastore told La Nacion.

"He does his job and wants to sell me at the best possible price."

Nothing much to tell except tha apparently Liverpool now intend on getting him.
 
Right now Pastore is much higher rated than Anderson, Anderson has done relatively noting whilst Pastore has been making waves.

A realistic value is a value i think he would go for now. I doubt he'd go for less than 30mil.

That means you didn't watch the Portuguese league + CL that season.

To be totally honest, I watched Anderson in the Porto shirt and I must admit, Anderson's potential was more than Pastore's at first glance.

18... Strong like a bull, had a great touch, tried tricks/flicks and was just a great flair player to watch and dominated MF's in that behind the role role for Porto in the CL's. He was very similar to Ronaldinho the way he played the behind the striker role... Well yes Ronaldinho moved to the left afterwards but they both had the flair.

18m for an 18yr old which showed huge potential in the CL was what SAF risked in Ando, I thought it was a good try as he did show a lot of potential.

But after continuously watching Ando and Pastore progress, well Pastore's definitely more on-form now. He'll cost more no doubt but if 30m, it'll be unreasonable as he isn't CL tested yet, okay he has done well in the Seria A but 30m was getting you like the Serie A legends like Shev, I don't think Pastore costs that much yet, 25m would be about his true price if the Palermo president isn't asking over the odds.

Anyhow, Pastore is 20 now so he'll probably cost more... but 30m would be a deep risk which I don't think we'll take.
 
That means you didn't watch the Portuguese league + CL that season.

To be totally honest, I watched Anderson in the Porto shirt and I must admit, Anderson's potential was more than Pastore's at first glance.

18... Strong like a bull, had a great touch, tried tricks/flicks and was just a great flair player to watch and dominated MF's in that behind the role role for Porto in the CL's. He was very similar to Ronaldinho the way he played the behind the striker role... Well yes Ronaldinho moved to the left afterwards but they both had the flair.

18m for an 18yr old which showed huge potential in the CL was what SAF risked in Ando, I thought it was a good try as he did show a lot of potential.

But after continuously watching Ando and Pastore progress, well Pastore's definitely more on-form now. He'll cost more no doubt but if 30m, it'll be unreasonable as he isn't CL tested yet, okay he has done well in the Seria A but 30m was getting you like the Serie A legends like Shev, I don't think Pastore costs that much yet, 25m would be about his true price if the Palermo president isn't asking over the odds.

Anyhow, Pastore is 20 now so he'll probably cost more... but 30m would be a deep risk which I don't think we'll take.

yeah, what happend to Anderson? did United ruin a potentially world class attacking mid? did he just not adapt, did he never really recover from his injuries?

Pastore will go for a big price because his club have him on a long contract and have no desire to sell him. It's the way it works these days. Pastore isn't going mental and kicking up a fuss, he seems quite level headed.

I agree about the not tested but in reality he has been far more tested (at least in my opinion) than Anderson was. Palermo are not a top side but he has been playing against tough opposition in Serie A.

At first glance i thought he looked like a young Kaka, his touch and fluidity impressed me. Also his one touch game, he was very comfortable just popping it off.

Anderson impressed me with his determination and passing, i never seen him at Porto. But at first glance at United i thought he looked high class. He's went backwards i think...
 
Anderson will be one more season to prove his worth I think, that's why he got another contract, so I think that's why we're not likely to sign a midfielder of his 'mold'.

Actually, I don't really know what the feck his mold is anymore.
 
Might be on his way to Roma for €30m according to Il Corriere dello Sport
5 year contract worth €1.5m a year already agreed with the player.
 
Delio Rossi the palermo coach has said that he expects pastore to play in a deeper position as he grows older. This suggests he can play 4 4 2
 
Going to Roma would be pretty stupid. They are a lot more prestigious than Palermo and can probably offer better wages, but squad wise they're not that much better. And with Roma being tough negotiators he may feck a move to a really big club later on.
 
Thats interesting..

Could simply be a position with more responsibility, a la Sneijder, for example. At the moment he plays basically a free role with no defensive responsibility at all. Deeper could just mean more constrained as opposed to 442. He would play, imo, further advanced than a player like Lampard (for example) as he doesn't do much to get the ball back. Lampard would be deeper, but not a 442 midfielder (imo)
 
yeah, what happend to Anderson? did United ruin a potentially world class attacking mid? did he just not adapt, did he never really recover from his injuries?

Pastore will go for a big price because his club have him on a long contract and have no desire to sell him. It's the way it works these days. Pastore isn't going mental and kicking up a fuss, he seems quite level headed.

I agree about the not tested but in reality he has been far more tested (at least in my opinion) than Anderson was. Palermo are not a top side but he has been playing against tough opposition in Serie A.

At first glance i thought he looked like a young Kaka, his touch and fluidity impressed me. Also his one touch game, he was very comfortable just popping it off.

Anderson impressed me with his determination and passing, i never seen him at Porto. But at first glance at United i thought he looked high class. He's went backwards i think...

More of like a learning point, he came to England, you watch his first two games where SAF deployed him in the hole, he didn't get the ball, he didn't get enough time, it was a new environment... Also, he did this after breaking his leg...

I'd say it was pretty harsh to judge him at first glance.

Then, all of a sudden, Carrick gets injured, Fletcher's unavailable etc... We didn't have anyone playing CM with Scholes, what happened ? We played Ando there and to be totally honest, it was his determination, drive and also good passing that potentially looked good there. It wasn't a suprise too from his interview he also said that he worked so much on his defense when he first came here. Its because he has never played in a 2 man MF before, if you watched him at Porto you'd know this... I don't really understand why you're arguing if you never watched Anderson....

Also, the price we paid for Anderson maybe could have reached 30m, we don't know the details so saying we Pastore's value should be nore more than 5-7m is "Reasonable"... Thats if you knew what you were talking about...

But today's prices will be inflated, adding to the fact that Palermo do have the cash and don't want to sell will also cost additional, but his true value wouldn't have been more than Ando back then.... If you get the picture.
 
More of like a learning point, he came to England, you watch his first two games where SAF deployed him in the hole, he didn't get the ball, he didn't get enough time, it was a new environment... Also, he did this after breaking his leg...

I'd say it was pretty harsh to judge him at first glance.
Also, the price we paid for Anderson maybe could have reached 30m, we don't know the details so saying we Pastore's value should be nore more than 5-7m is "Reasonable"... Thats if you knew what you were talking about...

But today's prices will be inflated, adding to the fact that Palermo do have the cash and don't want to sell will also cost additional, but his true value wouldn't have been more than Ando back then.... If you get the picture.

What it really shows to me is that paying big money for potential is even more of a gamble than paying big money for well established players. We have had Anderson for 3 or 4 years and if we were to sell him tomorrow i doubt whether we would even recoup our initial layout.

There are no guarantees of course, no matter who we buy, but when we consider back in 2007 £18m was considered very steep for potential, now we are talking £25 or £30m or even more, just for potential.

It would appear the values of these players rocket due more to media hype and speculation than on the strength of their performances and apart from the obvious 'money no object clubs', no-one in their right mind is going to pay £50-£60m for an untried kid no matter how much potential he is alleged to have.

If silly money is going to be required to capture Pastore and others like him, then imo we shouldn't even bother. The price tag, moving to other countries and the weight of expectation is surely a heavy burden for any youngster learning his trade, and i would expect the vast majority of youngsters not to flourish under such conditions.
 
Could simply be a position with more responsibility, a la Sneijder, for example. At the moment he plays basically a free role with no defensive responsibility at all. Deeper could just mean more constrained as opposed to 442. He would play, imo, further advanced than a player like Lampard (for example) as he doesn't do much to get the ball back. Lampard would be deeper, but not a 442 midfielder (imo)

Either way, that should make a more interesting player for us.

He possess a lot of the qualities we need in midfield, and is one of the few players with these qualities thats not already an established player. I would prefer that we buy a player his age and at his stage of carrier, rather than a Sneijder or a Modric. At the same time, I am not a big fan of Pastore. He is a very elegant player, but in my opinion, he has a lot of work to do, and a long way to go.

Luka Modric at the same age was far more impressive (better, not more elegant). I had seen a lot of Modric at that age (a lot more than of Pastore, so I might misjudge the Argentinean a bit) and he was brilliant both at Dinamo Zagreb and for Croatia. Talents like him are obviously rare.

If we want a player to do the job Ryan Giggs have done for us this season, and Paul Scholes a couple of seasons ago, I think we would have to buy a talent that at the moment is more accustomed with playing somewhere higher in the field. The most gifted youngsters today play in attack, consider the path Jack Wilshere has taken. Is natural. That would be the case for Javier Pastore, and it would also be the case for Christian Eriksen or even Eden Hazard (will definitely not end up as a winger). It might be what we have tried to do with Anderson, but in my eyes, he does not seem to be patient enough to work out in a 442. Hopefully that could change.

I have high hopes for Miralem Pjanic, too.
 
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