Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances

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psychdelicblues said:
It appears we have to be grateful for small mercy's like footballers honouring their really nice contract.
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I think you'll find that people who have pride in their work and strive to be the best they can be are (or should be) valued in all walks of life, and yeah, we should probably be grateful for any players we have who fit that mould.

You might be happy with players at United being content with the salary they earn alone, but I wouldn't be.
 
Fergus' son said:
Retweeting it confirms that he agrees with the content IMO, I think that was unnecessary at this stage, what good can it do? Everytime he doesn't start now we'll get extra speculation etc etc.

Like I said, people just refuse to speak to criticise Hernandez. Had that been Rooney or Nani intimating the same things there would be plenty of people saying it was the wrong move, and they would be right.
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Nani? Not sure, maybe. Rooney definitely because there is prior with him.

Agree retweeting is generally the twitter equivalent of "like" on Facebook, but I'd think it is largely "forward" here. The tweet says nothing revolutionary. At worst it is passive-aggressive and most likely it is just a frustrated player who really wants to make things work out but is running out of ideas as to how to get his point across to this new manager of his. He's tried playing, performing and scoring, but it doesn't seem to make much difference. How could anyone turn on him for that?
 
jem said:
I'm a huge Hernandez fan, but I'd say it's a bit over the top to claim that he's shown incredible loyalty by honouring his contract and playing for the team that showed great faith in signing him 3 years ago (one of the biggest teams in the world no less.) Of course, I'm not saying he's been disloyal - far from it. He's been every bit as professional as you'd expect someone in his position to be, but he's hardly doing us a favour, is he?
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Well considering he's arguably the best super sub striker in world football, he is kind of doing us a favor of sticking around, not complaining about needing more games, and not leaving to start for pretty much any other team in the world apart from the ones I mentioned. He could go to another team that is one of the biggest in the world like we are and be an instant starter, but he clearly loves the club so he's stuck around even though he probably won't ever be first choice here. Most players in his situation would probably be gone once we signed Van Persie because they know they have no chance to become a starter here once we have Rooney and Van Persie taking up the 9 and 10 positions, because lets face it, pretty much the only player in the world who you would buy if he became available for those 2 positions would be Messi. You could argue that both RVP and Rooney are the best, or amongst the best in their respective positions so Hernandez knew that moment that he wasn't going to be able to displace them (same with kagawa incidentally). If he wants to leave I'll hold nothing against him.
 
#07 said:
Maybe he's just looked at how Rooney handles business and figures 'may as well do as I like'? Not trying to drag up the summer again but if you look at it from the position of someone else in the squad it does seem to be that aggressive negotiation is what works if you want something.
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You mean he'll be captain in midweek? ;)
 
bosnian_red said:
Well considering he's arguably the best super sub striker in world football, he is kind of doing us a favor of sticking around, not complaining about needing more games, and not leaving to start for pretty much any other team in the world apart from the ones I mentioned. He could go to another team that is one of the biggest in the world like we are and be an instant starter, but he clearly loves the club so he's stuck around even though he probably won't ever be first choice here. Most players in his situation would probably be gone once we signed Van Persie because they know they have no chance to become a starter here once we have Rooney and Van Persie taking up the 9 and 10 positions, because lets face it, pretty much the only player in the world who you would buy if he became available for those 2 positions would be Messi. You could argue that both RVP and Rooney are the best, or amongst the best in their respective positions so Hernandez knew that moment that he wasn't going to be able to displace them (same with kagawa incidentally). If he wants to leave I'll hold nothing against him.
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I won't hold it against him; everyone in this world needs to look out for number one. But he's hardly doing Manchester United (Manchester United FFS!) a favour by honouring his contract. Acting professionally is what's expected; it's not doing a favour. To be honest, I'm having a hard time thinking of any professional player that is doing a favour for his team.

I'm also not sure which club of United's stature he could join and become an instant starter.
 
jem said:
I'm also not sure which club of United's stature he could join and become an instant starter.
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Madrid for a start. They need a striker and they were interested on him in the past.
 
RedSky At Night said:
He wouldn't become an instant starter... the only teams he'd join and become an instant starter is one of the Italian teams imo.
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He's better than Benzema, he is from Latin America (and Real cares about these things) and they were interested in the past. I would say that he would become a starter there. Let's see if they're interested in case Javier wants out.
 
He would start for lots of teams, especially as he improves with constant game time.

I think he would be absolutely ruthless at Chelsea for example
 
coolredwine said:
Its debatable, but Madrid would welcome him with open arms. Would score more than Benzema.
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Madrid hardly lack goals though, do they? Real, Bale, Di Maria and Isco more than cover them in that aspect. Benzema is a more well rounded striker than Hernandez and suits them better, he's just not having a great season so far.

Hernandez would be far more beneficial to a team like Chelsea than Real. I think at Real he'd find himself in the same situation as here, a super sub.
 
coolredwine said:
Its debatable, but Madrid would welcome him with open arms. Would score more than Benzema.
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They would have kept Higuain if it was just an issue of goalscoring. Hernandez will not suit Real Madrid than Benzema currently does.

Revan said:
He's better than Benzema, he is from Latin America (and Real cares about these things) and they were interested in the past. I would say that he would become a starter there. Let's see if they're interested in case Javier wants out.
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Look at all their current best players or all the players they were willing to splash a lot of money for, not many of them are from Latin America.
 
Hernandez better than Benzema? Good grief.
 
kouroux said:
They would have kept Higuain if it was just an issue of goalscoring. Hernandez will not suit Real Madrid than Benzema currently does.
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He isn't having a good season, and didn't had a good one last season. He isn't suited to their game as much.

kouroux said:
Look at all their current best players or all the players they were willing to splash a lot of money for, not many of them are from Latin America.
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Well, they were interested on Neymar and there were rumours that they were interested on Aguero and Suarez. It isn't that important but they have a huge fan base in that part of the world, so I think that they would like to sign best players from there. If one of them becomes available, I'll expect them to sign him.
 
Revan said:
He isn't having a good season, and didn't had a good one last season. He isn't suited to their game as much.
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You have pbs reading ? I said he suits Real better than Higuain and therefore better than Chicharito. I don't see what Chicharito could add to their team that they're currently lacking is my point.
 
Cina said:
Madrid hardly lack goals though, do they? Real, Bale, Di Maria and Isco more than cover them in that aspect. Benzema is a more well rounded striker than Hernandez and suits them better, he's just not having a great season so far.

Hernandez would be far more beneficial to a team like Chelsea than Real. I think at Real he'd find himself in the same situation as here, a super sub.
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I completely agree, I think for a team like Barcelona, Hernandez> Benzema

But with a team of goalscorers (Several outlets) it has to be Benzema > Hernandez,

But for me, Benzema is the better player, while Hernandez the better striker...
 
kouroux said:
You have pbs reading ? I said he suits Real better than Higuain and therefore better than Chicharito. I don't see what Chicharito could add to their team that they're currently lacking is my point.
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Higuain and Chicha aren't the same person, and personally I don't think that they have many similarities.

Agree to disagree anyway, and the only way to find it out is if they actually sign Chicha.
 
Revan said:
Higuain and Chicha aren't the same person, and personally I don't think that they have many similarities.

Agree to disagree anyway, and the only way to find it out is if they actually sign Chicha.
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They have many similarities but we'll never know for sure. Hernandez will hopefully not leave Utd
 
City and Chelsea seem content in having big strikers on big wages sitting on the bench for them, and it works, you dont hear a peep out of Dzeko or Eto'o/Ba

Offer him a big juicy contract renewal see if he wants to leave, I know he doesnt seem to be money motivated, but its worth a shot
 
kouroux said:
Look at all their current best players or all the players they were willing to splash a lot of money for, not many of them are from Latin America.
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He makes a good point though, Real care about the Latin American market and the Mexican one is right up there. I guess you would have to be here to notice, but all the stuff our sponsors do associated with Manchester United have Chicharito as the poster boy. Ask the average person in Latin America to name United players and they will struggle to name more than 2 or 3, but most would say Hernández straight off the bat. You are right they currently don't have many players from these shores, but I'd say that would make it more attractive, not less.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
City and Chelsea seem content in having big strikers on big wages sitting on the bench for them, and it works, you dont hear a peep out of Dzeko or Eto'o/Ba

Offer him a big juicy contract renewal see if he wants to leave, I know he doesnt seem to be money motivated, but its worth a shot
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That's a ridiculous way to go about things. He was perfectly fine with being a regular sub and occasional starter, it's Moyes not resorting to him when we need a goal or are just about scraping through which is probably unsettling.

Someone got it right last week when saying:
  • If we are losing, bring him on to get back into the game (e.g. City)
  • If we have a slender lead, bring him on to get a second and give them something to think about on the break (e.g. West Brom, instead of Smalling)
  • If we are winning comfortably, bring him on to rest the others (e.g. Fulham, had we not had so many injured 1stH)
He should be playing every week really, just not starting often, which I don't think is the problem.
 
It's odd all this Hernandez talk is brewing now. He'll start tomorrow, which'll be his 3rd start in quickish succession.

A month or 2 ago it would have been more valid
 
Considering Real can and have bought better strikers than Hernandez, I mean they have been linked to Suarez and Aguero and I reckon they would rather go for them first than Hernandez.
 
Social media has turned fans into quivering fanny's. Here's a thought, don't read twitter and you won't have to get worked up into a tither about some miniscule shite nobody really cares about.

"Reprimanded for this." Jesus christ some of you lot are addicted to being outraged at nothing. Drama queens.
 
We're gonna sell him for 15 million, and it will be an absolute steal for some team. Arsenal would walk the league with Hernandez.
 
We need at least 3 experienced, reliable strikers in the squad who can get goals for us. Welbeck is not a finisher, not at this time anyway.

If we let him go, we'll still end up needing to find a replacement, who'll probably costing more. We must do all we can to make up stay.
 
Red Dreams said:
man management is a huge part of being a top manager. Lets see how Moyes handles him. Thought he did a good job with Rooney.
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I think he did too. Though, I guess it's a different situation with a star player. You appease them by making them the focal point. Moyes keeps going on about how Rooney is now a leader, so it seems he has given him a huge amount of freedom and trust.

It'll be interesting to see what he can do to appease a rotation option in Hernandez. Albeit, a rotation option who would start for most teams. He wants games, but I don't think Moyes can give him the starting place he wants. I don't think it's wise to promise any player more game time. Everyone has to earn it. It will be interesting, though I really hope he stays.
 
He's vital in his role for us, but I can appreciate his frutrations. We have two top class strikers, and I also believe Welbeck has recieved favourable treatment due to his academy roots too.

That said, we will obviously cope if he left. I see a lot of similarities in him and Henriquez, and he is getting regular goals at a good level (in a crap team too) with Zaragoza and will probably be able to cover that role next season. Will Keane is also in reserve, although needs more regular football like Henriquez before he comes into the frame I think.
 
4-3-3 with Hernandez up too, RVP cutting in from the right (onto his left foot) and Rooney likewise from the left?


Then pop Carrick in a holding role with Cleverley and Kagawa in front of him in a midfield three.

Actually when I think about it, with Evra and Rafael providing width that could be deadly against weaker teams. Carrick would have to play a very deep defensive role but otherwise ouch.
 
Walrus said:
4-3-3 with Hernandez up too, RVP cutting in from the right (onto his left foot) and Rooney likewise from the left?


Then pop Carrick in a holding role with Cleverley and Kagawa in front of him in a midfield three.
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If Rooney and Persie were a bit faster, could be an option. To be honest, both of them out wide would be too much though, I think. One of them performing this role is enough.
 
Fergus' son said:
So it begins.

Clearly this is a response to Hernandez's retweet.
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It's no secret he's becoming a bit disillusioned, but at the same time, I would slightly worry if he weren't as it's an admission of not having very high ambition to be fair.... He's been here for 2 and a half years nearly, should have been rewarded for goals/form several times but instead has been replaced by a (more accomplished) striker, with usually at least, less form.
 
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