Javier Hernandez | 2013/14 Performances

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It does when it is not from the player/club himself.


Yes. But if he wanted to leave, why would he take to twitter. To put his point across, he would turn to what Carlos Vela who plays in Spain said, really?


No it doesn't. I've not said anything similar to these so-called 'drama queens'. What I will say is that Hernández has his chance to leave at the end of the season. No need to be unprofessional at a crucial moment in the season for us - unless his retweet was an "accident"...
 
It does when it is not from the player/club himself.


Yes. But if he wanted to leave, why would he take to twitter. To put his point across, he would turn to what Carlos Vela who plays in Spain said, really?
Come on mate, it wouldn't be the first brain fart from a footballer on Twitter, and it won't be the last. At the end of the day, he himself KNEW something would be made out of him retweeting that tweet, so why do it in the first place if he doesn't agree with it?
 
Erm, yes?


One tweet and you want a striker used as a makeweight for a deal and out of the club? Ridiculous. Most players don't even manage their own accounts.

People turn on players far too easily here.
 
No it doesn't. I've not said anything similar to these so-called 'drama queens'. What I will say is that Hernández has his chance to leave at the end of the season. No need to be unprofessional at a crucial moment in the season for us - unless his retweet was an "accident"...
Hernandez has made 36 apps each in all competitions in the past 2 seasons. If he gets near that same number again - wrt goals - would you still think he has his chance to leave?

Come on mate, it wouldn't be the first brain fart from a footballer on Twitter, and it won't be the last. At the end of the day, he himself KNEW something would be made out of him retweeting that tweet, so why do it in the first place if he doesn't agree with it?
I don't know why/who/what retweeted that. All I am saying is, it's not worth discussing until its directly from a player's mouth. And Hernandez is anyway known to give interviews in public and not scampering to Twitter to post what someone else says.
 
One tweet and you want a striker used as a makeweight for a deal and out of the club? Ridiculous. Most players don't even manage their own accounts.

People turn on players far too easily here.

Hardly.

I'm getting the impression he wants to leave (he's not going to displace RVP or Rooney any time soon) so I hope we can use him to help us land one of our targets in the summer.


No one is turning on him, but it was silly thing to do. Even if he doesn't manage the account he really should have better control over those that do, because this will just bring unnecessary speculation to the fore at a time when the team needs to be together.


Get it yet?
 
You're being a drama queen.

He should start midweek and he deserves it.
 
You're being a drama queen.

He should start midweek and he deserves it.


Shut up.

He deserves to start based on performances (though only if Rooney or Vp need to be rested) but he's been unprofessional with his retweet.
 
If you say so, I suspect you guys want to put your hands over your ears and not accept that Hernandez will leave us if he doesn't start the big games (which he wont) and that's his retweeting of Vela's words was a carefully calculated decision, he knew what the impact of it would be, only an absolute melon wouldn't.

Of course, he may come and say it was a misunderstanding etc but I doubt it and I doubt he will be a Manchester United player beyond the summer.
 
What he wants, he is not good enough to be a regular starter, if he wants to leave that is the door.
 
Hernandez starting in midweek and saving RVP for Arsenal is best for the team. You'd have to be a bit of a mentalist to change that because of a tweet.
 
You drama queens are reading a bit too much into it.

This. Isn't retweeting the equivalent of forwarding to followers? It's SSN quoting Vela on Chicha, both Mexicans, Chicha bound to have many Mexican followers, both are facing each other in the CL this week...

I don't think he is using twitter to make his case or a point, I followed him for a while but realised it was largely what he used to keep touch with his roots and communicate with people/acquaintances in Mexico. Don't think he thought that through, mind.
 
Hernandez starting in midweek and saving RVP for Arsenal is best for the team. You'd have to be a bit of a mentalist to change that because of a tweet.

Kagawa off Rooney would be my preferred option regardless of the tweet, but I do feel like Hernandez's performances have merited another start certainly. The tweet just leaves a bit of a sour taste really, never expected him to stoop to those measures or even consider making waves publicly.
 
This. Isn't retweeting the equivalent of forwarding to followers? It's SSN quoting Vela on Chicha, both Mexicans, Chicha bound to have many Mexican followers, both are facing each other in the CL this week...

I don't think he is using twitter to make his case or a point, I followed him for a while but realised it was largely what he used to keep touch with his roots and communicate with people/acquaintances in Mexico. Don't think he thought that through, mind.


Fair enough, like I was saying, at best it was pretty stupid from Javier.
 
Kagawa off Rooney would be my preferred option regardless of the tweet, but I do feel like Hernandez's performances have merited another start certainly. The tweet just leaves a bit of a sour taste really, never expected him to stoop to those measures or even consider making waves publicly.


It surprised me a bit too, but if I were Moyes I wouldn't want to make it a bigger issue than it is. He should just have a word and tell him that airing grievances in public isn't the way to go about it. Playing him even less than we otherwise would is only going to exacerbate any problem and frustrate Hernandez more.
 
One tweet and you want a striker used as a makeweight for a deal and out of the club? Ridiculous. Most players don't even manage their own accounts.

People turn on players far too easily here.

Yups, after the League Cup he had to start, after yesterday he was definitely a sub, and after retweeting what someone said he should be off. All inside a week.

Football fans, bloody hell.
 
It surprised me a bit too, but if I were Moyes I wouldn't want to make it a bigger issue than it is. He should just have a word and tell him that airing grievances in public isn't the way to go about it. Playing him even less than we otherwise would is only going to exacerbate any problem and frustrate Hernandez more.


You're right.

My main issue was that Hernandez has handled this completely wrong IMO, really didn't expect that from him, don't get me wrong, I knew he was bound to be frustrated, but taking to Twitter to advertise it was a poor move.

I'm getting the impression that some people don't want to admit that of Chicharito, the boy who can do no wrong.
 
Yups, after the League Cup he had to start, after yesterday he was definitely a sub, and after retweeting what someone said he should be off. All inside a week.

Football fans, bloody hell.

Probably three different fans all with three different opinions that they have maintained throughout.

But you probably knew that.
 
Shut up.

He deserves to start based on performances (though only if Rooney or Vp need to be rested) but he's been unprofessional with his retweet.
How do you even know he manages his own Twitter? It could simply be whoever does his PR retweeting something that mentioned him.
 
It surprised me a bit too, but if I were Moyes I wouldn't want to make it a bigger issue than it is. He should just have a word and tell him that airing grievances in public isn't the way to go about it. Playing him even less than we otherwise would is only going to exacerbate any problem and frustrate Hernandez more.

Reading through his latest exchanges, and knowing a fair bit about Mexican fans, you can't begin to imagine how much pressure he must be under.

I know, it's a bunch of wankers on the internet, but if everyman and his dog keeps telling you you are being ignored/overlooked/treated unfairly you can only keep up your positive attitude/stance that long. You can see hints of him flip-flopping between belief/confidence and being disappointed but I'm more impressed at his restraint than upset at a retweet.
 
How do you even know he manages his own Twitter? It could simply be whoever does his PR retweeting something that mentioned him.

I really don't, and if that turns out to be the case then I'd obviously take back some of my criticisms. I already said that at best, this is more stupid than anything from Hernandez, if it is his PR people then he needs to tell them to sort thier shit out because it's just giving off the wrong impression at a time when the club doesn't need any extra issues.
 
When you look at his options next summer, he'd arguably start at any club in the world apart from united, city, bayern, barca and Madrid. The striker position will open up at Dortmund, and he'd start at any other team in the prem right now, maybe not ahead of lukaku next year though. You really can't blame him for wanting to leave, but I'll always be thankful he gave his all at united and scored so many big goals. Don't give a feck what he tweeted personally, some people here get offended too easily.
 
I don't really care what any footballer does or says or Twitter, unless he's telling United to to get fecked, or something. Otherwise, whatever. He's our player for the remainder of his contract. He's an excellent impact player and I love the guy. If he's not happy with that situation, then he'll probably leave in a year or two. We can't play him ahead of two of the best strikers in the league, because he's not as good as they are, but he'll get plenty of chances.

I'd hate to see him leave, I really would. I love him, and think he's fantastic. Seems like a genuinely great lad as well. I think he'd be starting at Chelsea or Arsenal every week, because they don't have the strikers we do, and with all the creative players they would have playing behind him, he'd probably relish that. He does seem to genuinely love the club though, so I don't think he's going to be kicking up a stink.
 
It doesn't at all look like a PR-managed account, lots of random shit and discussions in it. He also clarifies he is NOT on Facebook and this is his only outlet for comms with fans, which is consistent with there not being any PR involved.
 
I don't know if i'm dense or thick, but i really fail to see what was so unprofessional about what the lad did on tweeter
 
I don't know if i'm dense or thick, but i really fail to see what was so unprofessional about what the lad did on tweeter

I really fail to see why he would feel the need to make it so public, things like this are best kept in house if possible IMO, especially at a club the size of ours.
 
What's in house about it?

Everyone knows he hasn't played as much as he should have.
Everyone knows he has attracted attention of other clubs and would get first team football in most.
Everyone knows he has been getting loads of stick from Mexican fans for his performances for the NT and how him not being a starter was emphasised.

So Vela states the bleeding obvious which applies to any player on the planet: "If he doesn't get to play he should consider his options".

Chicha retweets news on him and his fellow Mexican to a largely Mexican following base. OMG! All our trade secrets are now out in the open.
 
What's in house about it?

Everyone knows he hasn't played as much as he should have.
Everyone knows he has attracted attention of other clubs and would get first team football in most.
Everyone knows he has been getting loads of stick from Mexican fans for his performances for the NT and how him not being a starter was emphasised.

So Vela states the bleeding obvious which applies to any player on the planet: "If he doesn't get to play he should consider his options".

Chicha retweets news on him and his fellow Mexican to a largely Mexican following base. OMG! All our trade secrets are now out in the open.

Retweeting it confirms that he agrees with the content IMO, I think that was unnecessary at this stage, what good can it do? Everytime he doesn't start now we'll get extra speculation etc etc.

Like I said, people just refuse to speak to criticise Hernandez. Had that been Rooney or Nani intimating the same things there would be plenty of people saying it was the wrong move, and they would be right.
 
I've always thought players should be banned from using twitter but then again it wouldn't necessarily keep them silent. I'm not worried by what he did btw. If he wants to leave then honestly nothing can be said against him and it'll be his right.
 
It's his career. Let's be honest here, the club would be only too happy to exploit Chicha his entire career in this manner if it could. He's the ideal player to have. At some point Chicha is going to need to stick up for himself and I get the impression that is something that is probably difficult for him to do, not because of any deficiency in character, but because he doesn't want to ruffle feathers. The guy is just too nice for his own good.

The fans love him in large part for exactly this reason, he gives the squad incredible strength in depth and has a phenomenal return rate while appearing to be content and a permanent fixture on the bench. The moment he challenges that, or is even perceived to challenge that some fans are bound to turn on him for threatening that status-quo.

Chicha can't afford to hang around and wait for Rooney and RVP to move on or retire. He needs to get his chances now, he needs to have his time now. If he doesn't he doesn't develop to his fullest and will never get a chance to reach his full potential. Not to mention he is playing a game he loves and every year that ticks by are games he is never going to get back.

I personally don't see how this can end well for us the fans. For the sake of his career and his own development Chicha HAS to move on sooner rather than later. I don't think he will ever be content to sit most games, and he is good enough that he could play at a number of top clubs and be a regular starter for them. I don't want to see him go, but he is a unique case, he has been such a fantastic servant to the club, such a well spoken and nice guy, that wanting him to stay is purely selfish and assholish.

I'll be happy for the club and for myself if he stays, but I will also be happy for him if he doesn't.
 
It's his career. Let's be honest here, the club would be only too happy to exploit Chicha his entire career in this manner if it could. He's the ideal player to have. At some point Chicha is going to need to stick up for himself and I get the impression that is something that is probably difficult for him to do, not because of any deficiency in character, but because he doesn't want to ruffle feathers. The guy is just too nice for his own good.

The fans love him in large part for exactly this reason, he gives the squad incredible strength in depth and has a phenomenal return rate while appearing to be content and a permanent fixture on the bench. The moment he challenges that, or is even perceived to challenge that some fans are bound to turn on him for threatening that status-quo.

Chicha can't afford to hang around and wait for Rooney and RVP to move on or retire. He needs to get his chances now, he needs to have his time now. If he doesn't he doesn't develop to his fullest and will never get a chance to reach his full potential. Not to mention he is playing a game he loves and every year that ticks by are games he is never going to get back.

I personally don't see how this can end well for us the fans. For the sake of his career and his own development Chicha HAS to move on sooner rather than later. I don't think he will ever be content to sit most games, and he is good enough that he could play at a number of top clubs and be a regular starter for them. I don't want to see him go, but he is a unique case, he has been such a fantastic servant to the club, such a well spoken and nice guy, that wanting him to stay is purely selfish and assholish.

I'll be happy for the club and for myself if he stays, but I will also be happy for him if he doesn't.
Well said. There's nothing wrong with a player wanting to move on considering he'd start at most other clubs worldwide apart from maybe 5 or 6 of them (united, Barca, bayern when they get lewa, Madrid, city, maybe Chelsea when they get Lukaku back). He's shown some incredible loyalty that he's stayed this long as it is, and not kicked up a fuss or had one negative thing said during his time here, with him having only 1 season as a starter really, his first year.
 
Given all he's done for us, and his consistently positive demeanour, it's pretty hard to hold a dodgy tweet against Hernandez. I really hope we can convince him to stay.
 
Well said. There's nothing wrong with a player wanting to move on considering he'd start at most other clubs worldwide apart from maybe 5 or 6 of them (united, Barca, bayern when they get lewa, Madrid, city, maybe Chelsea when they get Lukaku back). He's shown some incredible loyalty that he's stayed this long as it is, and not kicked up a fuss or had one negative thing said during his time here, with him having only 1 season as a starter really, his first year.

I'm a huge Hernandez fan, but I'd say it's a bit over the top to claim that he's shown incredible loyalty by honouring his contract and playing for the team that showed great faith in signing him 3 years ago (one of the biggest teams in the world no less.) Of course, I'm not saying he's been disloyal - far from it. He's been every bit as professional as you'd expect someone in his position to be, but he's hardly doing us a favour, is he?
 
When you look at his options next summer, he'd arguably start at any club in the world apart from united, city, bayern, barca and Madrid..
I think he would be made a starter there. Madrid don't need a complete striker but a goal getter with good movement and pace to keep up with the tempo on a counter - he is arguably better than Benzema at all the aspects mentioned. I bet he'd be a fecking star there.
 
At worst, his Twitter indiscretion was a dick move, at best, it was a simple misunderstanding.

It's a little disappointing given that parallels are often drawn with Ole. I can understand Chicharito wanting more playing time, just don't think he needs to go about it like he has done.
 
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