Javier Hernandez | 2012/13 Performances

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Another big goal from him today. He is making a habit of rescuing games for us. While he didn't have a great game, he still played fairly well overall. Continually got in dangerous positions and caused problems for the newcastles defence. Should also be noted how quick he reacted to be first to the ball and get the shot of that lead to Evans getting his goal. Any other player and I doubt they would have been in the positions to get there before the defenders.

If Rooney is actually out, it will be good to see him get a bit of a run of games. If he was a his usual clinical self in front of goals today, he would have had even more goals to his tally.
 
Ramshock said:
Did anyone notice an edge about him yesterday, like he was angry or annoyed?
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Absolutely. When he was benched, and people were congratulating him, he just sat there and started talking to himself for a second in a not happiest way. It looked to me that he wanted to give more from himself. He felt pressure, frustration but it was also a sign that he wants best things for the team.
 
Nani Nana said:
4-4-2 in the modern game implies 2 complete forwards who can take part in the build-up of play, making up for the lacking midfielder (as most other formations will line up with 5) as well as finishing actions..
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442 has no part in the modern game - most teams play variants of 4231 (including Man Utd).
 
The way I understand 4-2-3-1 is that the wide players of the 3 play more like inside forwards than wingers, and they and the middle member often interchange positions. That's certainly how we played it in the latter half of 02/3, with Giggs, Scholes and Ole behind Ruud and in front of Keane and Veron.

It demands very mobile full-backs who can overlap, and pretty defensive CMs who can cover for the full-backs/non-wingers.

But Valencia is nothing if not an out-and-out winger. If they play as wingers, I don't really see how 4-2-3-1 differs from a 4-4-2 with the number 10 pulled back deep into the hole, as number 10's often are.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Was a much better player in every sense, and he was a damn good winger when asked to fill out there.

While I love Hernandez' attitude, he's got a way to go to top Olegend
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I agree but Chico has time on his side. Ole was my favorite player for Utd after Keane. But do you know that we agreed to sell him to Spurs for 5.5 million pounds and he refused to go - legend!!
 
I thought he would eventually get his goal - never stops trying the fella. But it was very uncharacteristic of him to be a bit wasteful with a few chances. Also his link-up play was a bit disappointing.

Still happy mind you, probably my 2nd favourite player at the club.
 
For me he is definitely the new Ole. No doubt Ole was a bit more majestic in his play, but Hernandez has already grabbed us so many late winners its unreal.
 
These are the points he has effectively "won" for the team this season:
3 points vs Villa
2 points vs Newcastle
2 points vs Chelsea
3 points vs Braga
 
Looking forward (hopefully) of seeing him and RVP up top in the next few games, even if RVP plays more withdrawn.
 
Joemo said:
These are the points he has effectively "won" for the team this season:
3 points vs Villa
2 points vs Newcastle
2 points vs Chelsea
3 points vs Braga
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These kinds of stats never cut it for me, or else you should also take into account the points he "lost" which would be absolutely all the games he played that we didn't win, since you cannot say whether another player at his position would have made us win the game.
 
He's Championship level outside the box but he's unique in a way and so as a backup he's perfect.

His commitment yesterday was great, ran himself into oblivion.
 
Nani Nana said:
These kinds of stats never cut it for me, or else you should also take into account the points he "lost" which would be absolutely all the games he played that we didn't win, since you cannot say whether another player at his position would have made us win the game.
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Yeah, agree. Games like yesterday are excellent example, he missed couple of great chances, his allround game wasn't great, yet people will still say he "won" game for us.

Against Villa he was hero, mind you.
 
MrMojo said:
He's Championship level outside the box but he's unique in a way and so as a backup he's perfect.

His commitment yesterday was great, ran himself into oblivion.
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He's not Championship level outside the box. In the last two years, he has improved loads since he has come here. This was probably his worst match of the season.
 
KM said:
He's not Championship level outside the box. In the last two years, he has improved loads since he has come here. This was probably his worst match of the season.
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He's improved but not by loads. He absolutely is Championship level outside the box. When he picks the ball up wide of the box in a creative position I automatically assume the move to be over, he's rubbish in those positions.
 
MrMojo said:
He's improved but not by loads. He absolutely is Championship level outside the box. When he picks the ball up wide of the box in a creative position I automatically assume the move to be over, he's rubbish in those positions.
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I don't think he is championship in anyway.
But it seems an odd thing to do.

Like saying Valencia is League 2 level for using his left foot, or Carrick is league 1 for pace.
Seems a bit bollocksy.
 
Sandikan said:
I don't think he is championship in anyway.
But it seems an odd thing to do.

Like saying Valencia is League 2 level for using his left foot, or Carrick is league 1 for pace.
Seems a bit bollocksy.
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That's a poor comparison, I'm talking about everything a striker does outside the box, a pretty significant part of the game. Likening that to just one particular skill or attribute is just incorrect.
 
MrMojo said:
He's Championship level outside the box but he's unique in a way and so as a backup he's perfect.

His commitment yesterday was great, ran himself into oblivion.
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I think he's actually improved his play outside the box. He had one bad game yesterday, but so what.

He can't play great everytime, but the most important thing is he was in the right place at the right time once again, and got us the very important winner.
 
MrMojo said:
He's improved but not by loads. He absolutely is Championship level outside the box. When he picks the ball up wide of the box in a creative position I automatically assume the move to be over, he's rubbish in those positions.
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Nar mate. You need to look at some of his compilations thus far. A good number of posters have recognized his improvement. It's definitely more than Championship level.

If you actually felt that was the case, then you would have argued against the consensus in those games as well. From what I've seen, you've chosen his worst game to say something. Poor form.
 
MrMojo said:
He's improved but not by loads. He absolutely is Championship level outside the box. When he picks the ball up wide of the box in a creative position I automatically assume the move to be over, he's rubbish in those positions.
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That's an insane comment to make. He's improved ten-fold outside the box this season, plus yesterday was probably his worst game this season, by some distance.
 
People saying that he's shit outside the box ... :lol: His improvment in this particular area is obvious, some people here really are nuts and/or blind and/or stupid.
 
Platato said:
Nar mate. You need to look at some of his compilations thus far. A good number of posters have recognized his improvement. It's definitely more than Championship level.

If you actually felt that was the case, then you would have argued against the consensus in those games as well. From what I've seen, you've chosen his worst game to say something. Poor form.
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Shark22 said:
That's an insane comment to make. He's improved ten-fold outside the box this season, plus yesterday was probably his worst game this season, by some distance.
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Do you guys really think I'd base my opinion on one game?

As a goal scorer he's ace, better than Solskjaer in my opinion, but for everything else, well I've already stated my opinion.
 
Solskjaer was a superior finisher.

If Olé would have had Hernandez's pace..... :drool:
 
#Carl said:
Solskjaer was a superior finisher.

If Olé would have had Hernandez's pace..... :drool:
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Solskjaer was technically better, but like you say, there's no substitute for pace. Hernandez is better in the air and I think has that extra level of obsession with scoring.
 
MrMojo said:
Do you guys really think I'd base my opinion on one game?

As a goal scorer he's ace, better than Solskjaer in my opinion, but for everything else, well I've already stated my opinion.
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Do you not think that 'championship level' is a bit much though?

It's a weird comment to make IMO, seeing as he's improved so much in that regard, this season. I mean what was you're opinion of his play outside the box in his previous two seasons?
 
He's looked pretty good outside the box this season. If this was his first, I don't think this idea of him as a great finisher but shit footballer would even exist. I'd be happy with his level of link-up play from anyone I regarded as a 'poacher'.
 
MrMojo said:
He's improved but not by loads. He absolutely is Championship level outside the box. When he picks the ball up wide of the box in a creative position I automatically assume the move to be over, he's rubbish in those positions.
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And he's probably Sunday League level at being a goalkeeper. What's your point?
 
Shark22 said:
Do you not think that 'championship level' is a bit much though?

It's a weird comment to make IMO, seeing as he's improved so much in that regard, this season. I mean what was you're opinion of his play outside the box in his previous two seasons?
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First two season he was dire and I agree he has improved, I've said that. Does that mean it's now Premiership standard, no it doesn't.

Ask yourself, how can he have that kind of pace but still not beat a man.
 
Brightonian said:
He's looked pretty good outside the box this season. If this was his first, I don't think this idea of him as a great finisher but shit footballer would even exist. I'd be happy with his level of link-up play from anyone I regarded as a 'poacher'.
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Exactly.

From anybody that has witnessed the majority of games he's played in this season, it's baffling how you could come to that conclusion.
 
MrMojo said:
First two season he was dire and I agree he has improved, I've said that. Does that mean it's now Premiership standard, no it doesn't.

Ask yourself, how can he have that kind of pace but still not beat a man.
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I presume you haven't been paying attention mate. Apart from Wednesday, he's beaten his man in about every game he's played! Keep up!

You're a reasonable poster Mojo but how you're stating Hernandez's outside play is Championship level is madness IMO. It's simply inconsistent and if that's what you consider subpar then fair enough. Last season was definitely poor from him. Not this season. I might do you the favor of posting some compilations but only if you're going to watch them. No point wasting my time seeking them out.
 
MrMojo said:
Does he play in goal?

Do I have to justify this with a reply.
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Does he play in midfield?

He's not there to link up play like Teddy Sheringham. He's there to score goals and he's pretty fecking good at it.

He's not the sort of player that needs to be excellent outside the box. That's not his game.
 
#Carl said:
Does he play in midfield?

He's not there to link up play like Teddy Sheringham. He's there to score goals and he's pretty fecking good at it.

He's not the sort of player that needs to be excellent outside the box. That's not his game.
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Exactly, agree 100% with above.
 
Plus anyone who watched him at all for Chivas knows that his reputation there was completely different anyway. He was more of a well-rounded striker, and scored some lovely goals from outside the box. It's Fergie who has deliberately moulded him into more of a poacher - partly because it clearly suits his natural assets, and partly because it suited his partnership with Rooney in his first season (and what a partnership it was!)

On a different subject, what's his goals/minute ratio looking like at the moment? Overall and for this season? It must be climbing again after losing its shine last season, because he's not played that much this season but he's scoring plenty. He's somewhere like fifteenth on the PL top scorers charts, I think. Everyone above him is an absolute first choice.
 
Platato said:
I presume you haven't been paying attention mate. Apart from Wednesday, he's beaten his man in about every game he's played! Keep up!

You're a reasonable poster Mojo but how you're stating Hernandez's outside play is Championship level is madness IMO. It's simply inconsistent and if that's what you consider subpar then fair enough. Last season was definitely poor from him. Not this season. I might do you the favor of posting some compilations but only if you're going to watch them. No point wasting my time seeking them out.
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Yeah that's all just rubbish.
 
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