Javier Hernandez | 2012/13 Performances

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His link up play has come on in leaps and bounds this season. Arent him and Benz the same age? I think his attitude is such a plus point for our squad. The new Ole.

Btw, swap deals really are the last bastion of made-upness :lol:
 
Seems the usual sports journalism bullshit, though admittedly Real being interested has been mentioned before.

I would hate to see any kind of trade involving Benzema and him - Hernandez is perfect for us and is just getting better. Benzema on the other hand (whilst very talented obviously) has already turned us down before and I'm not sure how he'd take to being on the bench while Rooney and Robin terrorise the opposition.
 
kouroux said:
Benzema is a good player but I'd doubt he'd show the same patience that Hernandez has shown so far
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With Benzema's quality, I think he'd have displaced Berbatov from the start and we wouldn't even have bought RVP.
 
manusteve said:
I'd keep Chicharito. If we really want Benzema then we can go get him without relinquishing the best goalscorer at the club.
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Calling him the best goalscorer at the club when we have two players who scored over 30 goals last season is mental. Why would you even want him and Benzema anyway when we already have 3 other senior strikers?
 
Benzema's a very good player but I would not trade him for Hernandez. Chicha is a superb finisher, brings energy and urgency to the team and he can make an impact both as a starter or coming off the bench. He has also shown this season he is improving as an all-round player, although it's his finishing which is his best and most important attribute.

Plus, he accepts his role at United (for now) and he is not going to cause a fuss when he is not starting, whereas Benzema will probably sulk if he found himself on the bench.
 
Benzema would go straight in our team if we bought him, front 3 of him RVP and x, Rooney in an a/m position. Hernandez is a great goal scorer but Benzema is a better player, it's one of those things that yeah Hernandez could get you a goal if you're not playing well, but if you had someone like Benzema, as well as RVP and Rooney, the odds that between them they couldn't get a goal is pretty low. He either scored/assisted around 50 goals last year.
 
Sunny Jim said:
Hernandez is most likely the best 3rd choice striker in the world. Invaluable at any big club, you need quality players who are happy to sit on bench and play when they're needed.
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This. He absolutely thrives in that role, and gets enough starts due to the number of games we play.

I wanted Benzema before we signed Berbatov but I think that ship has sailed.

Our quartet of strikers is perfectly balanced at the moment. SAF isn't the type to change the make-up of our squad just for the sake of it.
 
Ash_G said:
Benzema would go straight in our team if we bought him, front 3 of him RVP and x, Rooney in an a/m position. Hernandez is a great goal scorer but Benzema is a better player, it's one of those things that yeah Hernandez could get you a goal if you're not playing well, but if you had someone like Benzema, as well as RVP and Rooney, the odds that between them they couldn't get a goal is pretty low. He either scored/assisted around 50 goals last year.
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The better player isn't always the better answer. What we, and I suspect most clubs, want in a striker is a fantastic finisher, not an overall great footballer. Hernandez looks to me to be the better finisher, though there's no question Benzema is also a quality finisher too and has lots of nifty moves with the ball. No way would I swap Hernandez for Benzema.

Now that we have RvP, I'm not even sure Benzema would be the right fit in the same starting XI.
 
Ruud10 said:
The better player isn't always the better answer. What we, and I suspect most clubs, want in a striker is a fantastic finisher, not an overall great footballer. Hernandez looks to me to be the better finisher, though there's no question Benzema is also a quality finisher too and has lots of nifty moves with the ball. No way would I swap Hernandez for Benzema.

Now that we have RvP, I'm not even sure Benzema would be the right fit in the same starting XI.
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Agree completely.
 
Don't want him here after he turned us down already. He can live his Madrid dream since that's what he so desperately wanted.
 
It would be a very strange move for all concerned. For one thing, it's not exactly like-for-like. RVP is our most Benzema-like striker, and better at the moment. It's good to have a proper on-the-shoulder poacher like Hernandez.
 
Ruud10 said:
The better player isn't always the better answer. What we, and I suspect most clubs, want in a striker is a fantastic finisher, not an overall great footballer. Hernandez looks to me to be the better finisher, though there's no question Benzema is also a quality finisher too and has lots of nifty moves with the ball. No way would I swap Hernandez for Benzema.

Now that we have RvP, I'm not even sure Benzema would be the right fit in the same starting XI.
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I get what you're saying but I don't think it's as simple as that. Last season Benzema got something like 30 goals and 15 assists, that's a great return, so he's a massive threat, Hernandez might be a better poacher but Benzema is a much greater threat all over the pitch.

Benzema might not be the sort to pop up out of nowhere and get you a goal but with him you might end up not playing so poorly that you need that sort of impact. Benzema if he came would go straight in the team, he's the sort of player that you would adapt your system for. We could easily fit him in if we wanted, 433, of him RVP and another, and then Rooney playing in an a/m position, or just the 3 of them in a front 3.

Without Benzema our attack wouldn't be so good that we might need Hernandez, with Benzema and the ability to play him, RVP and Rooney I doubt we would miss Hernandez much, Benzema might not be as good a poacher but he's still a better striker/player on all evidence so far.

It's not like I don't like Hernandez but think we're getting a bit carried away here, as an impact player he does serve a great role but ultimately if you could bring in another player who would improve your starting 11, you could probably considerably reduce the need for that sort of impact player in the first place. It wouldn't always work but then Hernandez won't always come on and score.
 
Firstly, Swap deals are very rare, just lazy journalism.

That said, given a choice, i wouldnt do the deal. With strikers like Rooney, RVP and Welbeck, we need an outright finisher. Benzema is the better player but chicharito is definitely the better goalscorer. Wouldnt swap the 2.
 
Why would Madrid even want that swap? Benzema is brilliant. Hernandez is a good goal getting but not really at the same level right now.
 
Well I could see why Mourinho would be interested, but the swap deal would never happen.

Mourinho likes to be the "super star" and center of attention. If he can bring Hernandez off the bench each game to score important goals, Mourinho gets called the hero. And Hernandez is a team player who wouldnt kick up a fuss too much about that

Benzema and Higuain both think they should be starting and are a bit moody when they dont.
 
Don't forget shirt sales, Hernandez would push huge amounts down in Mexico for Madrid
 
FAO Revan:

28/12/2010 Premier League Birmingham C. 1-1 Man. Utd. * 0 (1 min)
26/12/2010 Premier League Man. Utd. * 2-0 Sunderland 0 (8 mins)
30/11/2010 League Cup West Ham Utd. 4-0 Man. Utd. 0 (crap team AGAIN)
24/11/2010 Champions League Rangers 0-1 Man. Utd. * 0 (14 mins)


Just have a closer look at how silly and misleading those stats are: 23 minutes in total, you even included one game where he came on at 90 plus 1.

Plus, THAT West Ham game. Are we really judging Hernandez off that?

I remember him starting the season excellently and wanting him to start more games straight from the off, the Comm Shield, Valencia away, Stoke away, Wolves in the CC... :drool:

His stats obviously improved after he started playing more regularly and considering how well he started that season I'm inclined to believe that he have done the same had we let him off the leash sooner.
 
I'd rather keep Hernandez (not that theres actually anything to the story). He's a different type of player from RvP and Rooney and has a lot of positive traits of his own; runs in behind to keep defenders on their toes, happy to be played in rotation, scores important goals and from the bench etc.

He wouldn't be accepted in Madrid anyway. They hated Michael Owen because he was an unglamorous player, they'd at least dislike Hernandez.
 
Ash_G said:
I get what you're saying but I don't think it's as simple as that. Last season Benzema got something like 30 goals and 15 assists, that's a great return, so he's a massive threat, Hernandez might be a better poacher but Benzema is a much greater threat all over the pitch.

Benzema might not be the sort to pop up out of nowhere and get you a goal but with him you might end up not playing so poorly that you need that sort of impact. Benzema if he came would go straight in the team, he's the sort of player that you would adapt your system for. We could easily fit him in if we wanted, 433, of him RVP and another, and then Rooney playing in an a/m position, or just the 3 of them in a front 3.

Without Benzema our attack wouldn't be so good that we might need Hernandez, with Benzema and the ability to play him, RVP and Rooney I doubt we would miss Hernandez much, Benzema might not be as good a poacher but he's still a better striker/player on all evidence so far.

It's not like I don't like Hernandez but think we're getting a bit carried away here, as an impact player he does serve a great role but ultimately if you could bring in another player who would improve your starting 11, you could probably considerably reduce the need for that sort of impact player in the first place. It wouldn't always work but then Hernandez won't always come on and score.
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Its an interesting discussion, but imo no matter how much quality a team has going forward there will always be games where they play poorly and need to change things with a substitution. Hernandez has proven himself to be a phenomenal threat off the bench.

I found this from a Martin Tyler column from Februrary 2011:

Most Premier League goals as a substitute:

17: Nwankwo Kanu, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
16: Jermain Defoe
13 Robbie Keane, Andrew Cole, Tore Andre Flo
11: Michael Owen
10: Teddy Sheringham, Dwight Yorke, Julian Joachim, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink

I was interested to find out that the Premier League's all-time leading goalscorer, Alan Shearer, only scored two of his 260 goals from the bench (one for Blackburn in 1993/94 and then for Newcastle in his final season, 2005/06). Furthermore, this season's top scorer, Dimitar Berbatov, has only ever scored once as a substitute in the Premier League, for Tottenham back in 2007/08.
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I'm sure I read recently that Hernandez has already scored 10 times for us as a substitute in two and a bit seasons - the contrast with Berbatov for example illustrates that being effective as a substitute is a quality in itself, not just a by-product of being a good player. Hernandez looks to be as good as it gets in this regard, and in terms of squad harmony looks to be a much better fit for us than Benzema would be.
 
I'm always right said:
FAO Revan:

28/12/2010 Premier League Birmingham C. 1-1 Man. Utd. * 0 (1 min)
26/12/2010 Premier League Man. Utd. * 2-0 Sunderland 0 (8 mins)
30/11/2010 League Cup West Ham Utd. 4-0 Man. Utd. 0 (crap team AGAIN)
24/11/2010 Champions League Rangers 0-1 Man. Utd. * 0 (14 mins)


Just have a closer look at how silly and misleading those stats are: 23 minutes in total, you even included one game where he came on at 90 plus 1.

Plus, THAT West Ham game. Are we really judging Hernandez off that?

I remember him starting the season excellently and wanting him to start more games straight from the off, the Comm Shield, Valencia away, Stoke away, Wolves in the CC... :drool:

His stats obviously improved after he started playing more regularly and considering how well he started that season I'm inclined to believe that he have done the same had we let him off the leash sooner.
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It looks that you're right, I only seen the stats without looking in which minutes he came from bench. And yeah, maybe he could have done a similar job to Berba.

Anyway in all games that season one of them started. If Berba wouldn't play here, then next on line was Michael Owen and it's hard to believe that Chicha could have started 60 games that season. So, my points stands that Berba played a big part on that title and without him we wouldn't have won the title. Considering only the league, IMO he was our third best player (after Nani and Vidic).
 
Came across very humble, smart and mature in an interview with ESPN.
 
When Hernandez is on form, he's quality. He has the perfect temprement. I wouldn't swap him for someone like Benzema personally. It's not even close. You could buy someone exceptional and accept they'll be a knob after a few seasons but I wouldn't accept a knobhead in place of someone that's scored important goals, never caused any problems and is good enough for probably 20 goals a season...
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Its an interesting discussion, but imo no matter how much quality a team has going forward there will always be games where they play poorly and need to change things with a substitution. Hernandez has proven himself to be a phenomenal threat off the bench.

I found this from a Martin Tyler column from Februrary 2011:



I'm sure I read recently that Hernandez has already scored 10 times for us as a substitute in two and a bit seasons - the contrast with Berbatov for example illustrates that being effective as a substitute is a quality in itself, not just a by-product of being a good player. Hernandez looks to be as good as it gets in this regard, and in terms of squad harmony looks to be a much better fit for us than Benzema would be.
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Yeah he has 10pl goals from the sub bench already and Ole got 16 I think.

I agree having a game changer is always necessary but I don't think that outweighs having just a generally stronger first 11. If Chelsea came along and offered Hazard or Mata for Hernandez I'd swap. Like I said I think the extra attacking quality they would bring as a whole would be more beneficial for me. Especially when a lot of our issues making us need the impact Hernandez has had this season, are also coming from defensive issues and issues in midfield/attack. A game changer is always needed but I think we could still have that in other players, maybe not as good but the options would still be there.

Berbatov was a player who didn't fit in to Fergie's plans and how we were looking to play, plus he's never been a particularly great finisher, someone like Benzema though could easily come in and slot in through the middle or as a wide forward and has produced a high number of goals and assists.
 
Chico was extremely hard done by today. Team created sweet F.A. for him. Made some good runs and took up great positions, Van Persie really should've squared it to him at the start of the second half.

Was horrified to see him coming off when we were 1-0 down because I know had we been able to actually feed the ball into him in a dangerous area he would've hit the back of the net. Of all of our strikers if I had £50 to wager on who would score a 1 on 1 I'd stick it on Hernandez every time. Sadly the Boss decided it was his fault that Giggs' passes kept on going long and Valencia and Young kept on smashing it into the Norwich full backs when trying to cross it to him...
 
Made some good runs, worked hard but he didn't really have any chances.

Can't believe we took him off when we needed a goal.
 
At least he's one of a few players today who tried and seemed to care about United.
 
Surprised no one is bumping this thread. He had some incredible runs today. Turned his opponent numerous times. Liked it when he knocked the ball past the Galatasaray fullback only to be fouled as he was about to race away.

The boy has come on leaps and bounds and I'm a little shocked not many people noticed how good he was on the ball today. Outshone Welbeck for me.
 
I thought that he has not been good enough in his two recent starts. Still prefer to see him coming off the bench.
 
I've said it before he's improved his allround-play, but most of today's match and all of the Norwich-match were a step back in that regard. Panicked numerous times today instead of just keeping his composure.

Then, bizarrelly and for no apparent reason, suddenly dribbled past three players and slotted a lovely weighted pass out wide for King.
 
Hm I guess I'll need to watch the match again. My stream for the first half was terrible but I thought he did well regardless
 
He was very good last night. Didn't get many chances due to many of our best players not starting and could have taken his only chance first time but his overall contribution was very good imo
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I thought that he has not been good enough in his two recent starts. Still prefer to see him coming off the bench.
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I agree. I personally feel more confident in the team when he's on the bench - he's a good player, but I just think he's more effective late on in the game where the pressure can easily get to the other team or that they are simply getting tired. Hernandez is brilliant at taking advantage of these type of stuff.
 
I see him more and more as Ole every day. Fantastic player, great personality and determination, execution, work ethic, and a super-sub.
He's seriously improved over the off-season, and while I enjoy watching him play I to agree he's more effective as a sub. He seems to "read" the game to a certain extent, because when he comes on as a sub he seemingly knows more or less exactly what he needs to do, whereas his form on the day is pretty much dependent on what the opposition gives him. One day he could be excellent, the next invisible, while he always seems to do the job when coming off the bench.
 
Was great again today when he came on. His overall play has improved a ridiculous amount. It used to be that once he got the ball to feet outside the box, you could be sure he'd lose the ball, but now he's dribbling around defenders and giving good passes out to the wings.
 
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