Javier Hernandez | 2010/11 Performances

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A really likable player allready. Something of the Forlan (that can score) about him in the way he looks like he loves the game. Carry on like that and he will be the fans favourite.
 
TheMancRedDevil said:
So, we bought him for £7m??? How much SHOULD we have paid for him? :)
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Like Ferguson said, had they waited til after the World Cup before they made a move he'd have cost somewhere around £20m.

I think Ferguson knows aswell as anyone that had they done that, Hernandez would be a smililar sort of name to Ozil now (let's not forget he scored 2 great goals) and we'd have a lot of happy muppets had we paid £20m for him... "one of the brightest young talents in the world"

We didn't we found "value" in the market and got him for £7m before the hype and before the likes of City knew he existed.
 
Pexbo said:
Like Ferguson said, had they waited til after the World Cup before they made a move he'd have cost somewhere around £20m.

I think Ferguson knows aswell as anyone that had they done that, Hernandez would be a smililar sort of name to Ozil now (let's not forget he scored 2 great goals) and we'd have a lot of happy muppets had we paid £20m for him... "one of the brightest young talents in the world"

We didn't we found "value" in the market and got him for £7m before the hype and before the likes of City knew he existed.
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That's a good point well made. Really is there a better value signing in Europe right now?
 
Pexbo said:
Like Ferguson said, had they waited til after the World Cup before they made a move he'd have cost somewhere around £20m.

I think Ferguson knows aswell as anyone that had they done that, Hernandez would be a smililar sort of name to Ozil now (let's not forget he scored 2 great goals) and we'd have a lot of happy muppets had we paid £20m for him... "one of the brightest young talents in the world"

We didn't we found "value" in the market and got him for £7m before the hype and before the likes of City knew he existed.
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I was trying to think of a "value" for him and I do believe that if we had been told we had spent £20m on him then most of us wouldn't have a problem with that at this moment.

It's just when you look at some of the other fees for strikers over the last couple of years: Benzema - £30m, Villa - £35m, Adebayor - £25m.

I'm not putting Hernandez up with Villa just yet but in comparison to the other two, it looks like we've robbed him.
 
If only we had someone like Xavi or Cesc to play perfect defense splitting through balls to Hernandez :drool:

Or if Carrick could just return to his best!
 
Allforone said:
My scouse supporting 'mate' still insists Ngog is a better player than Hernandez.......more natural ability blah blah apparently, funny thing is i wouldn't rate Ngog over the likes of Michael Chopra never mind a Mexican international.
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Must admit, I haven't seen much of Ngog this season so I'll have to reserve judgement.

I should stop being such a snob and pay more attention to the relegation battle.
 
TheMancRedDevil said:
Must admit, I haven't seen much of Ngog this season so I'll have to reserve judgement.

I should stop being such a snob and pay more attention to the relegation battle.
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You know i didn't even realise Liverpool were playing yesterday until about 8pm last night when i flicked on SSN! they've become such an irrelevance id not even bothered to see who they were playing.

Moved up to the lofty heights of 18th im told after a crushing 2-1 victory over the rovers.

Anyway back to the thread topic, Hernandez is sexual.
 
Allforone said:
My scouse supporting 'mate' still insists Ngog is a better player than Hernandez.......more natural ability blah blah apparently, funny thing is i wouldn't rate Ngog over the likes of Michael Chopra never mind a Mexican international.
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N'Gog has outscored Chicharito this season, albeit against rubbish opposition in the Europa League. Still, it's impressive given the level of creativity offered by Liverpool's midfield.

N'Gog will become an effective squad player at the very least and he's proven himself more than Chicharito in this league. But I don't think he's as talented.
 
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x42bn6 said:
N'Gog has outscored Chicharito this season, albeit against rubbish opposition in the Europa League. Still, it's impressive given the level of creativity offered by Liverpool's midfield.

N'Gog will become an effective squad player at the very least and he's proven himself more than Chicharito in this league. But I don't think he's as talented.
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All my mates that watch the scousers everytime feckin' hate N'Gog, from what I've seen he wasn't bad, some neat touches at times, link up play isn't bad, but he does lack that killer instinct at times for me...

Still, he's not what Liverpool needs to come out of that bottem three place...
 
I do think sometimes the service he gets is not the best. Some of Hernandez's movement is class and i have seen it and am wondering when are you going to pass the ball to him.
 
Twigginater said:
That's a good point well made. Really is there a better value signing in Europe right now?
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Think it's far too early in the season to vote on the best value summer transfer. Most award organisations rate players mostly on the champions league and I'd rather wait until the knock out stages to see who shines and who is injured by then. Agree at the moment Ozil, VdV and Hernandez are all great signings but Chicharito shows by far the most potential.
 
42 euros said:
Think it's far too early in the season to vote on the best value summer transfer. Most award organisations rate players mostly on the champions league and I'd rather wait until the knock out stages to see who shines and who is injured by then. Agree at the moment Ozil, VdV and Hernandez are all great signings but Chicharito shows by far the most potential.
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Debatable, Ozil looks like a world class acquisition. Cheech isn't quite there yet, but looks to be a lethal predator.
 
Lynk said:
Debatable, Ozil looks like a world class acquisition. Cheech isn't quite there yet, but looks to be a lethal predator.
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I wasn't saying Hernandez will be a better player than Ozil but if you think Ozil is the better all-round player at the moment and was pre-World Cup (which I do) then he is starting at a far higher level than Cheeko and that is without mentioning transfer fees and wages and so value. So regarding potential, I just feel that our young mexican has the potential to improve the most and costs a fraction of Ozil's wages. As I said, best to wait until next spring to judge.
 
Decotron said:
Any chance you could cut and paste that article?
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The rise of Chicharito

“When he took his chance, it was like he was shelling peas. It was so natural to him.” That was the reaction of Sir Alex Ferguson, his face aglow in appreciation of Javier Hernandez’s winner against Valencia in the Estadio Mestalla, where the young Mexican monikered ‘Chicharito’ showed his predatory instincts by taking Kiko Macheda’s pass with a velvet first touch, before firing a clinical, low shot inside the post.

A noteworthy front man during his own playing days, Sir Alex recognises a player geared for goals. And his claim that the Reds have signed a natural finisher holds water. The third generation of his family to represent Mexico at a World Cup, Chicharito is clearly a thoroughbred goal-getter.

Yet along the way, including in the early days of his OT career, Hernandez has had to be patient. Just 18 months ago, at the age of 20, he found himself out on the fringes of the Chivas first team and experiencing enough self doubt to genuinely consider quitting football and becoming a full-time student. After more than two years without a goal for his boyhood club, despite a regime of hard training and clean living, he was stuck on the bench. For the first time, he was on the verge of being derailed from a future that had always looked so certain.

“He was weaned on football since being in his cot,” says his grandfather, Tomas Balcazar, a Mexican football legend and a goalscorer for El Tri at the 1954 World Cup – and whose son-in-law, Chicharito’s father Javier Hernandez Gutierrez, was part of Mexico’s squad at World Cup ’86. “We used to go to our plot of land near the airport and we played little games of football,” recalls Balcazar. “Chicharito used to play with us older folks and he used to slide-tackle us and take the ball. It was obvious he liked the game. He always had a serious inclination to be playing football.”

Chicharito was enlisted in Chivas’ youth system aged seven, rising through their ranks in a spell that included a stint as a matchday ball-boy for the first team. Professor Marco Fabian, the striker’s former youth coach, says his talents were soon recognised. “He was a hardworking boy with a lot of the qualities you see today: his explosive speed, his love of hitting the back of net, and his goal-poaching ability. He was a very hard-working player who always gave 100 per cent in training.

“He always demanded a lot from the other players. He was a winner. Even a draw would upset him. After one defeat, when he was 16 or 17, Javier spoke in front of the team and said he wasn’t going to accept losing. He said that despite his dad having a good career, he wanted to win and be a star off his own bat. Javier always had winning on his mind.”

Naturally for one so resolutely focused, Chicharito was also burdened by impatience. “The boy was always in such a rush to be playing football,” recalls Fabian. “One time when he arrived at training, he got out of the car so quickly that he fell over in his rush to get on to the pitch. Even as he got older, he was always very keen and restless, and when things didn’t go his way he got exasperated.”

That irritation surfaced soon after Chicharito’s first-team debut for Chivas, in September 2006. He’d scored in a 4-0 romp over Necaxa, but the 18-year-old’s form then dipped. He dropped out of the first-team picture, featuring for Chivas Coras de Tepic and Club Deportivo Tapatio – essentially their reserve teams – in Mexico’s Second Division. He played a starring role for both, but in early 2009, after two years without a senior goal, he joined his family and agent for a day of soul-searching. “He doubted himself,” says his father, Javier senior. “He doubted he was capable of playing in the First Division. We told him he had to be patient, but as a young player he was impatient. We talked to him about being persistent and told him that, in time, everything would come.”

The striker placed great faith in the opinions of his nearest and dearest – even at 20, he still lived in the family home – and their blanket reassurance did the trick. He played his way back into contention for Chivas and soon began scoring again. A drip became a flood, with 11 goals in 17 games during the 2009 Apertura tournament, and he was selected for Mexico’s senior team for the first time for a friendly against Colombia. Thrown on as a substitute with his side two goals down, Chicharito was played clean through, but alertly squared for Paul Aguilar to finish.

National coach Javier Aguirre, a former team-mate of Chicharito’s father, kept Hernandez in his squads and the goals duly flowed. They continued for Chivas, too, and soon Chicharito’s profile had gone global. On 1 April this year, the New York Times ran a feature on the forward, titled: ‘Chicharito could be Mexico’s next big thing.’ The story wasn’t news to United though; the Reds had been tailing Hernandez since October 2009.

And when an increasing number of European scouts began appearing at Chivas’ games, United’s head scout Jim Lawlor travelled to Mexico for a sustained look. A three-week trip took in a string of matches for club and country, Lawlor promptly gave the move his blessing, and the deal was struck so quickly and conducted so covertly that the striker and his father were the only family members who knew what was going on. “They tricked us,” laughs Chicharito’s grandfather. “They told us they were going on holiday to Atlanta!” In fact, the pair were in a private box at Old Trafford watching United’s Champions League exit to Bayern Munich.

“The next day, the phone rang and they said: ‘Turn the television on, you’ll see something very important,’” continues Balcazar. “We turned it on, and the first thing that we saw was the lad’s mug! Then we saw the badge of Manchester United. We just couldn’t believe it.”

The rest of football, like Balcazar, was dumbstruck, not least for the curious timing of the deal. United had planned to wait until the summer of 2010 to make a bid, but once it became clear Hernandez was on course for Mexico’s World Cup squad, the United manager dared not risk either losing the player or allowing his value to sky-rocket.

It proved to be a wise move. Strikes against France and Argentina in South Africa showed glimpses of Chicharito’s finishing, while his movement and link-up play also caught the eye. So did his speed: Hernandez had been clocked at 19.98 miles per hour, making him the fastest player at the tournament.

In appropriately hot-footed fashion, Hernandez quickly joined his new colleagues on the Houston leg of United’s pre-season tour, where a debut goal against the MLS All Stars further fanned the flames. His next stop, a return to Mexico as Chivas hosted United, turned up the temperature yet another notch.

“The future of an entire nation is at your feet,” hailed a giddy billboard outside a signing session conducted by Chicharito at a Nike store, the day before the game. And despite the event being held on a Thursday afternoon, with little promotion, more than 1,000 delirious fans attended – to the astonishment of store manager, Rosalinda Galvez. “The amount of people there was incredible,” she says. “Sales went through the roof and we sold out of almost everything. I’ve organised many signings at the store, but I’ve never seen anything like that.”

Clad in a Chivas shirt for the final time, Hernandez took just 10 minutes to open the scoring against his new club, before he switched sides at halftime, symbolising the next chapter of his journey. Another goal on his competitive Reds debut (albeit with an air of slapstick) helped beat Chelsea in the Community Shield and drew more headlines. Ryan Giggs was moved to comment on the impression made by Hernandez on his new team-mates.

“There are some players who are just born goalscorers,” Giggs said. “I’ve seen them over the years. When they face a goalkeeper in a one-on-one they’re ice cool, and I’ve seen that in Javier already. With the way he approaches his football and the way he plays, he’s going to score a lot of goals for us. I’ve seen over the years many goalscorers become legends for Manchester United… hopefully that can become the case with Javier.”

Displacing Messrs Rooney and Berbatov as first-choice strikers is no easy task, and Sir Alex has confirmed that extra gym work is required for Chicharito to embrace the rigours of regular Premier League and Champions League football. But, like any good predator, he’s prepared to wait, primed to strike at the merest sniff of an opportunity.
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The rise of Chicharito - Manchester United Official Web Site
 
It all looks good though!

I feel in him and smalling we have got 2 top players for a fraction of what citey or any of other other rivals would heve paid.

Maybe some united fans would be happier if we had have paid 20-25m for him rather than the 7 we did pay.
 
irwinwastheking said:
It all looks good though!

I feel in him and smalling we have got 2 top players for a fraction of what citey or any of other other rivals would heve paid.

Maybe some united fans would be happier if we had have paid 20-25m for him rather than the 7 we did pay.
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Nobody actually wants us to pay £20m for someone if we can get them for £5m. Obviously we are all delighted to have picked up some cheap bargains.

The point is that when you are operating at this end of the market you end up with a fair amount of dross as well, almost inevitably (Manucho et al). You also get a lof of players that will come good but not for several seasons.

Which is fine. It is a precarious existence, and more difficult, but if we can do it well it is much more rewarding than buying in the finished article all the time.
 
irwinwastheking said:
It all looks good though!

I feel in him and smalling we have got 2 top players for a fraction of what citey or any of other other rivals would heve paid.

Maybe some united fans would be happier if we had have paid 20-25m for him rather than the 7 we did pay.
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Ideally, hernandez should have joined us for 25 million after his agent and the press linked us (and ten other clubs ) to him for about year. In the meantime he would have become an FM legend, have a 10,000 post + thread on the caf.

Not to mention half a dozen caftards admitted to hospital during the ******** that took place when the news of the transfer was announced...
 
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