January Transfer Window

My point was that if profits have dropped then it's less fun for the Glaziers and there has to be a point where they decide enough is enough and jump ship. If that does happen then the club having a lower market value will be better for us surely because there's less chance of a debt laden buy out and even in the event of one the club being worth less means there would be less debt.

If only that were true, but I don't think it is. Even if the club's value drops to £1billion, that won't make another LBO much less likely, imo. At the moment the debt is low as a proportion of the club's value - unless we're lucky, that figure is likely to increase as a result of a sale.

I see no light at the end of the tunnel for the club,personally. We're stuck with the Glazers, and the Moyes situation is their first real test. We should have a better idea what the future holds in a year or two - will they act decisively and sack Moyes; offer him their full support and a large wad of cash; or something in between?
 
We're bidding 37m on Mata eh? Chelsea won't accept even if we bid 50m imo, but worth a go!

Well no it isn't. They won't sell to us so they're is no point (if it is true which I highly doubt). Throw money at targets by all means but for feck sake make sure they're the right ones.
 
Well no it isn't. They won't sell to us so they're is no point (if it is true which I highly doubt). Throw money at targets by all means but for feck sake make sure they're the right ones.
IF Mata was willing to come, he would be the right kind of target. Our midfield gets so much stick because of a lack of steel and creativity.
Imagine this with Rooney, Mata and Adnan having the freedom to interchange.

----Fletcher---Carrick----
-Mata--Rooney--Januzaj-
-----------RVP------------

Carrick and Fletch would give more than enough protection to the back four and could keep the ball moving, letting the 3 in front run amok and RVP to do what he does best. It would be a devastating lineup, IMO. Granted, Mata isn't exactly what we need, but we need something in this window and it needs to be a big signing. Take him now, with a view to signing a proper world class CM in the summer.
 
At home games take Fletcher out and replace him with Kagawa. Drop Rooney deep.

We need to win most of our games. So may as well just go for it.
 
IF Mata was willing to come, he would be the right kind of target. Our midfield gets so much stick because of a lack of steel and creativity.
Imagine this with Rooney, Mata and Adnan having the freedom to interchange.

----Fletcher---Carrick----
-Mata--Rooney--Januzaj-
-----------RVP------------

Carrick and Fletch would give more than enough protection to the back four and could keep the ball moving, letting the 3 in front run amok and RVP to do what he does best. It would be a devastating lineup, IMO. Granted, Mata isn't exactly what we need, but we need something in this window and it needs to be a big signing. Take him now, with a view to signing a proper world class CM in the summer.

The problem is 1) I don't believe he would be willing to come to us as if he were to leave it'd be most likely abroad and back to Spain and 2) Chelsea would NEVER accept any type of bid from us in the first place just like we won't for Rooney.

The 2nd one is the biggest obstacle and it is pretty immovable as far as I'm concerned so IF we are 'working' on anything Mata related, let's nip it in the bud now and not waste our time. Get people in who are right for us and who are gettable.
 
It'd take a stupid amount of money. Torres amount to get him imo. We won't pay that. I don't think we'd even pay the 37m if I'm honest. So yeah, it won't happen.

I bet ya 5 fake pounds it won't happen.


37 million for an unwanted, unhappy, reserve is a stupid amount of money though. He's worth it, but that's a serious amount of bread.
 
I rate him Irwin, I think Matas a fantastic player. I'm just not going to even consider this a possibility and get my muppet heart excited because imo there is zero chance it will happen. So yeah, hope I'm proved wrong!
 
I rate him Irwin, I think Matas a fantastic player. I'm just not going to even consider this a possibility and get my muppet heart excited because imo there is zero chance it will happen. So yeah, hope I'm proved wrong!


It's on. I'm going to pm you every hour on the hour until you get caught up in this transfer. We all need to believe to give this any chance of happening.
 
Cant see Chelsea selling to us either. It isnt about the amount, they'd sell him abroad for 37mil for sure.
 
Cant see Chelsea selling to us either. It isnt about the amount, they'd sell him abroad for 37mil for sure.

I could only see chelsea doing business If it included a deal for rooney (now or agreed terms for a summer move)

Personally im resigned to loosing rooney as I dont think he will sign a new deal so if we could get mata (or bettet still lukaku) out of chelsea then id go for it

chelsea might as both currently seem surplus to requirements
 
Any further news on Coentrao?? That has gone real quiet! I almost posted in his thread but feared a backlash for bumping without a genuine reason!

Marca say United have denied making an offer for Mata.

Oh yeah, Coentrao. Zero. Nada. Similarly with his January replacement as a Madrid backup - Juan Nadie* - he hasn't signed either.

Meanwhile we're supposed to be interested in Coentrao's summer replacement Alberta Morena of Sevilla.




*Before anyone goes off to Wikipedia, Juan Nadie is the Spanish equivalent of the term John Doe.
 
Marca say United have denied making an offer for Mata.

Oh yeah, Coentrao. Zero. Nada. Similarly with his January replacement as a Madrid backup - Juan Nadie* - he hasn't signed either.

Meanwhile we're supposed to be interested in Coentrao's summer replacement Alberta Morena of Sevilla.




*Before anyone goes off to Wikipedia, Juan Nadie is the Spanish equivalent of the term John Doe.
Didn't the Mirror report that we have denied making a bid?? Was Marca their source? I thought the linking of us to Morena was just lazy press talk.Linking a name to a possible buyer etc!
 
I could only see chelsea doing business If it included a deal for rooney (now or agreed terms for a summer move)

Personally im resigned to loosing rooney as I dont think he will sign a new deal so if we could get mata (or bettet still lukaku) out of chelsea then id go for it

chelsea might as both currently seem surplus to requirements

eh? How is lukaku surplus to requirements? He's better than all 3 of the strikers they have.

Anyways, regarding Rooney, I doubt we'd do that kind of a deal. As I've said before, Chelsea are lacking desperately for a striker, I dont see us handing them one on a plate. Our need for Mata is much lesser than their need for Rooney.
 
eh? How is lukaku surplus to requirements? He's better than all 3 of the strikers they have.

Anyways, regarding Rooney, I doubt we'd do that kind of a deal. As I've said before, Chelsea are lacking desperately for a striker, I dont see us handing them one on a plate. Our need for Mata is much lesser than their need for Rooney.
Well he is out on loan so letting him go would not weeken the squad... plus if (when) they sign rooney lukaku wont be better than all their strikers.
I think you are right in saying we need players more than they do but at the moment city seem favourites for the title but I think if chelsea got rooney in jan they would become favourites. Jose has made it clear he does not see us as a title threat so perhaps there is a small chance a mata deal might happen?
 
Well he is out on loan so letting him go would not weeken the squad... plus if (when) they sign rooney lukaku wont be better than all their strikers.
I think you are right in saying we need players more than they do but at the moment city seem favourites for the title but I think if chelsea got rooney in jan they would become favourites. Jose has made it clear he does not see us as a title threat so perhaps there is a small chance a mata deal might happen?

Okay you mean us selling them Rooney now and getting Lukaku? How will that happen when he's on a season long loan to Everton? And I dont see why we'd want Lukaku in return when we already have the strikers we do even minus Rooney. A swap deal with Rooney going the other way might happen but that'd happen only if he makes it clear he's not extending and even then, it'l happen in the summer only.
 
Didn't the Mirror report that we have denied making a bid?? Was Marca their source? I thought the linking of us to Morena was just lazy press talk.Linking a name to a possible buyer etc!

I don't know. When Marca report second-hand they usually quote a source - like the Mail for the original Mata bid story. They don't give a source on the denial version so who knows where they heard it. It says United denied rather than "sources close to" and for all their reputation on here they're normally quite disciplined about that.

As for the Moreno interest. Yes, almost certainly pure press speculation based on which matches United scouts are watching and the positions we're looking for. Far from conclusive of course - what decent scout wouldn't want to watch Atletico - Sevilla for example.
 
In that same telegraph article, there was mention of Moyes scouting Max Kruse and Patrick Hermann (along with Dante) in Broussia M'Gladbach vs Bayern Munich. Anyone have any thoughts about these players? Hermann is supposed to be the similar to Reus, but the youtube videos didn't seem very impressive. Kruse though seems a clinical striker, can shoot with both feet.
 
In that same telegraph article, there was mention of Moyes scouting Max Kruse and Patrick Hermann (along with Dante) in Broussia M'Gladbach vs Bayern Munich. Anyone have any thoughts about these players? Hermann is supposed to be the similar to Reus, but the youtube videos didn't seem very impressive. Kruse though seems a clinical striker, can shoot with both feet.
Dante will stay at Bayern, no idea where all the rumours come from. We only have 3 centerbacks at the moment and one of them is 35 year old Daniel van Buyten. No one knows yet how soon Badstuber will find top form again or if at all after being out for 18 months. It's more likely Bayern will buy another centerback than sell one.

Hermann had spells in which he looked brilliant but he lacks consistency and I doubt he'll ever reach the level Reus is playing on for quite a while now. Both are comparable though, if you looking for a quick wide forward type, very direct, good workrate.

I wouldn't call Kruse a clinical striker, he's more the AM turned striker type, who drops deep a lot and adds more playmaking than poaching, when played upfront. He's also a bit of a late bloomer, so it's difficult to say how much he can improve in the next years, already 25 and only just moved to Gladbach this season.

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I'm really surprised that there aren't any rumours regarding Shaqiri. He's still young, had a few great performances at Bayern and he's really unlucky that we have so many quality attacking players in the team. After two years now, it might be the right time for him to move on. I really like him and would love if he stays, but I doubt it's in his best interest and with Lewandowski coming in, it's even less likely that he gets enough playing time.
 
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Thanks Balu, always good to get an informed opinion. I also don't think Dante is an option.
 
eh? How is lukaku surplus to requirements? He's better than all 3 of the strikers they have.

Anyways, regarding Rooney, I doubt we'd do that kind of a deal. As I've said before, Chelsea are lacking desperately for a striker, I dont see us handing them one on a plate. Our need for Mata is much lesser than their need for Rooney.

Rooney will be free to go wherever he wishes in a year, Chelsea won't be our direct competitors for a while yet and he'll probably end up there in 2015 anyway. Getting Mata in and tying him down for 4-5 years could be crucial for us, I'd rather we did that than lost Rooney for free without a replacement.
 
No to Mata.

He is class, but we've got Shinji. All of the eggs Manchester United have every produced should be put into the SIGN A GOOD CM BASKET
 
No to Mata.

He is class, but we've got Shinji. All of the eggs Manchester United have every produced should be put into the SIGN A GOOD CM BASKET

Jesus christ.

Kagawa hasn't done anything in England that's even in the same universe as the level Mata was operating at until Mourinho came in.
 
Are we going to get into a situation where it is quite possible to do business with Chelsea but Everton and Spurs wont sell to us because we are Europa rivals?
Totally. The best thing is to buy Scott Parker from Fulham before we drop to their level.