January Transfer Window

The money issue depends on where the Glazers want us to be going forward - perhaps they are more comfortable with running the club at Europa League levels?

That way they could cut down the wage bill considerably, and when players are bought then they would be of an even lesser/cheaper standard than currently. Commercial deals might not grow as a result, but it'd take a while for the numbers we use to secure those deals to significantly deflate - and the commercial deals are the important thing, so as long as they are being made then there might not be much downside for the Glazers.

There will be big savings on the wage front anyway in the next couple of years with Rio, Evra, Giggs, Rooney and maybe Vidic leaving, plus RVP is too good to play-out his career at a Europa League club so that's already a lot of big salaries going out. It could leave the club is good financial position ahead of the final bond repayment in 2017.
 
mic.m said:
they do but we don't have the same spending habits as them. The last time we spent big in 1 window was when we bought Nani, Hargreaves and Anderson. The moment we replaced Ronaldo with Obertan, Owen and Valencia I knew we would never go on a spending spree. Juve in contrast used the Zidane money on Cannavaro, Buffon, Nedved, Thuram.
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feck me that was a grim Summer.
 
Asked if he could change his plans to fix their short-term issues, he told Sky Sports:
"Not because of results.

"The club know exactly what we want to do and the direction we want to go and the type of players we want to bring to the club and a lot aren't available in this window. If we could get any of them we would do, we are trying but more than likely most people know it is difficult.

"I think the club have always said it is long-term, we know there is a job to be done and we have an idea of players we would like to bring in and we would like them now, but more than likely won't be."
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nahealai said:
It's a pipedream, lads. Forget it. If we sign anyone, it's going to be somebody who doesn't really solve the midfield crisis we find ourselves in, i.e. a left-back.

The most worrying thing, for me, is the fact that Moyes and United don't seem to have a concrete idea of who exactly we're in the market for. He's either, a) setting the bar too high in terms of the player who'll improve us (which is ridiculous considering the current lot have just lost four of the last five games), or b) over-exaggerating the talent we have in our squad at present (again, which is ridiculous considering the current lot have just lost four of the last five games).

Scary stuff.
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Indeed it is. I'm starting to think that we are in the same situation that Arsenal was in previous years. Too many average players that have wages too high to be shifted elsewhere. I hope we would sign a person to replace Anderson, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
If Moyes thinks that a defender, returning from injury after a fairly decent spell out is our second (maybe third after Fellaini) best midfield option than surely there's no way he can think that there's no one in world football of sufficient quality he can bring in now.
 
dev1l said:
knowing juventus,if the right offer comes in,they ll sell anyone. It depends on us how much silly money we are prepared to fork out.
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This. They sold Zidane, so they'd sell Vidal too. It's just a matter of money. Always has been.
 
Drifter said:
Asked if he could change his plans to fix their short-term issues, he told Sky Sports:
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Call me gullible but that quote pleases me.

We're talking about the difference between signing a player like Cabaye and bloating our squad further with squad players or waiting until the summer and investing in a player who will take us to the next level and beyond.
 
Pexbo said:
Call me gullible but that quote pleases me.

We're talking about the difference between signing a player like Cabaye and bloating our squad further with squad players or waiting until the summer and investing in a player who will take us to the next level and beyond.
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I think you're right in that we could probably do with getting rid of some 'decent' players and just adding a few really outstanding players, rather than bringing in more players who aren't of the quality that we are aspiring to get back to. The issue, as has been pointed out, is do we have enough now to make the top 4? I don't think we will and that will surely remove the possibility of getting some (although not all) of our major targets. I'd say wait and see rather than panic buy but either way it's a bit of a gamble.
 
Pexbo said:
Call me gullible but that quote pleases me.

We're talking about the difference between signing a player like Cabaye and bloating our squad further with squad players or waiting until the summer and investing in a player who will take us to the next level and beyond.
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Nevermind the next level, whatever that is, we will need players who can get us back into the CL.
 
Sixpence said:
Nevermind the next level, whatever that is, we will need players who can get us back into the CL.
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That's what I'm talking about when I say the next level :(

Get back to the level Chelsea and City are at, then push forward beyond that.
 
Almost every player in football is available. You just have to make offers that cannot be refused. This is the situation that we have let ourselves get to after years of mediocre transfer activity.
 
We're finding it difficult to secure players in January. We found it difficult to secure players last summer. We'll likely find it difficult this summer due to the World cup. But here's hoping summer 2015 will be a cracker!
 
Sack Woodward, put de Gea, RVP and Evra in charge of transfers, get them to go through their phonebook and text every national team mate and ask them to join
 
Antisocial said:
The money issue depends on where the Glazers want us to be going forward - perhaps they are more comfortable with running the club at Europa League levels?

That way they could cut down the wage bill considerably, and when players are bought then they would be of an even lesser/cheaper standard than currently. Commercial deals might not grow as a result, but it'd take a while for the numbers we use to secure those deals to significantly deflate - and the commercial deals are the important thing, so as long as they are being made then there might not be much downside for the Glazers.

There will be big savings on the wage front anyway in the next couple of years with Rio, Evra, Giggs, Rooney and maybe Vidic leaving, plus RVP is too good to play-out his career at a Europa League club so that's already a lot of big salaries going out. It could leave the club is good financial position ahead of the final bond repayment in 2017.
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They have based there model on third and quarter finals in cup competitions.

http://www.theguardian.com/football...united-share-price-david-moyes-premier-league

It doesn't make commercial sense to try and recruit and maintain a squad with real ambitions to win the CL. Too expensive.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Neville's moved the goal posts a few times as the season has progressed, with regards to United.
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He has changed his tune, but I think he's shocked by the level of our decline. I'm not sure 7th place and 14 points off the top of the table was envisaged. I certainly expected a drop-off, but where we are is a bit absurd.
 
The way Moyes worded his views comes off like he still feels a bit like he's on the outside looking in, and that he wont fully feel like this is his team until he gets a few players of his choosing into the set up, which is fair enough IMO.
 
Devil may care said:
The way Moyes worded his views comes off like he still feels a bit like he's on the outside looking in, and that he wont fully feel like this is his team until he gets a few players of his choosing into the set up, which is fair enough IMO.
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I agree with you. Also I am not entirely sure he is getting the support from the owners and their insider Ed Woodward that maybe he thought he would get. I know he needed to have a look at the squad and give everyone a chance. Do the owners not realise that a bit of tinkering last summer is now becoming a major overhaul. It is a World Cup year so that will add millions to a fee and if we don't get CL football they are going to have to pay high wages to compensate for no CL football. We might have to hope that there are loads of players desperate to play for United as David Moyes says. The club are saying there are millions of pounds in the kitty. That is what the fans want to hear. They might be saying the opposite to Moyes. He actually looks a bit disillusioned, that the job isn't as he was told.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Almost every player in football is available. You just have to make offers that cannot be refused. This is the situation that we have let ourselves get to after years of mediocre transfer activity.
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If Moyes says a player is unavailable its going to be because Woodward has told him that's the case. Either Moyes isn't laying down realistic targets, Woodard is incompetent or Glazers aren't willing to spend huge amounts.

Im clinging to the hope we have particular big name signings that are only available by way of pre-agreement in the summer.
 
Smores said:
If Moyes says a player is unavailable its going to be because Woodward has told him that's the case. Either Moyes isn't laying down realistic targets, Woodard is incompetent or Glazers aren't willing to spend huge amounts.

Im clinging to the hope we have particular big name signings that are only available by way of pre-agreement in the summer.
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That is the bit worrying me, that Moyes is giving him targets, he is going to the owners and they are saying no, then he is telling Moyes he couldn't get them when he hasn't even tried. The Glazers probably think that David Moyes will operate on a tight budget like he did at Everton, when he has come to United to actually have the chance for once to spend some big money. It is all guess work from us.
 
The worse things get in terms of results the more pressure the club is under to spend big and spend soon. They have to be seen to be doing something to try and get the situation under control. Part of me remains pessimistic about this transfer window but another part of me cant quite believe management can be so passive and just stand by with nothing but platitudes about trying harder while we sink to previously unfathomable levels.

I think we'll have signed Leon Osman by the end of the week.
 
Adebesi said:
The worse things get in terms of results the more pressure the club is under to spend big and spend soon. They have to be seen to be doing something to try and get the situation under control. Part of me remains pessimistic about this transfer window but another part of me cant quite believe management can be so passive and just stand by with nothing but platitudes about trying harder while we sink to previously unfathomable levels.

I think we'll have signed Leon Osman by the end of the week.
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Strangest thing is, I wouldn't be adverse to us even signing a keeper (Obviously it's the place we need/want), but my point is I think the squad needs a signing just to lift them and inspire some belief.
 
Has to be the right signing though. Bringing in someone who isnt good enough would be counter-productive and just reinforce negative perceptions that Moyes is completely out of his depth. He needs a marquee signing that will give us a lift and reduce the feeling that, when Rooney goes, it will be as a rat leaving a sinking ship.
 
Adebesi said:
The worse things get in terms of results the more pressure the club is under to spend big and spend soon. They have to be seen to be doing something to try and get the situation under control. Part of me remains pessimistic about this transfer window but another part of me cant quite believe management can be so passive and just stand by with nothing but platitudes about trying harder while we sink to previously unfathomable levels.

I think we'll have signed Leon Osman by the end of the week.
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I think it is well past the point where we look desperate. Everyone in world football can see that.

This is not Mpyes or Woodwards fault. It is the product of several years of missing out on targets and lacking real ambition in the transfer market. We're a club that should be acting like Real or Barca in the transfer market but we have been throttled by our ownership structure. No one can deny that. We cannot compete at the highest level when others have such bigger budgets. It's like Newcastle trying to compete with others - at least it will prove to be going forward.
 
Since United have such a massive commercial income, how much do you think you can afford to spend, without the risk of falling foul of the FFP ?

I'd imagine £100m - £150m, easily.
 
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