Tbf, Arsene never sold him due to not being good enough, it was due to injuries and loss of place simply.... He may not return the same player...
Jan Vertonghen
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Tbf, Arsene never sold him due to not being good enough, it was due to injuries and loss of place simply.... He may not return the same player...
Vermaelen isn't better than Vertonghen.
He's showed some quality since moving to the Prem. Seems to have gone backwards since his first season though.
Spurs constantly changing manager doesn't help I suppose, he's also been used at left back sometimes too.
I'd take him as he's better on the ball than anyone we have at the back right now. He's not the bravest defender though and his attitude this season leaves a lot to be desired.
I'd take him, if he wouldn't cost as much. Since that's unlikely with Spurs I really hope we don't go for him.
Pochettino is now the second Spurs manager who doesn't seem to 'get on' with him. Not the best defensively, and he's left footed, which where, once back from injury, Rojo will play for the future. I don't see this as being a likely transfer.
Levy would ask for far too much and he's overrated. Plus we don't need another left footed defender.
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take him, feck this left foot bollocks hes a quality player who can play with his feet and he scores goals.
We should be interested in my opinion, but you know what Levy is like.
Please yes!!!!!
Wouldn't make sense to buy him now as we have Rojo to play as the LCB and Evans to come back as well unless Rojo and Shaw will be rotated.
1) Vertonghen is a very good defender i think
2) Evans will not be a the club next season (Too injury-prone)
3) We have no leaders in the defence but Vertonghen is a leader
Daniel Levy. It's the ultimate "close transfer thread" name. Along with "Sneijder"
He'd be great, but it's Tottenham... He'd cost £30 odd million probably, and didn't Woodword say we wouldn't spend in January?
I hope United's management think the same way too!
He's not a bad option but given he still has 3 and half years on his contract Levy will bleed us like a pig in a country boys barn. Might as well just pay Laporte's buyout to get some good competition for Rojo at LCB.
Not my bag. Has no interest in defending from what I've seen of him.
He can play more then 4 games in a row so its a Yay for me.
FTFY
From what i understand he said that we wouldn't make quick fixes, and only buy the players targeted by Van gaal for the long run, this players will most likely only be available this summer but if an opportunity present herself in january we will take it.
If we’re in for him, that’ll prove that we made mistakes this window like buying Shaw, Rojo and Blind. One will be the left back, the other the cover, and the last…. Midfield, then he has to compete with Carrick (when we’re targeting Vidal + Strootman) it’s strange in term of team’s balance
Anyway, Rojo was bought to play in a 3-5-2, but we played 4-4-2 two weeks later, so it proves that the mighty philosophy is wrong in that aspect.
If we have to buy Vertonghen, then right here we go. But in form, is he really better than Evans/Jones/Smalling ? Is he an upgrade? I’m not really sure. The other question, is he fit enough to play for us? What’s his injury record? I don’t know…
Are we really in for top class defenders or like Woody said, are we in for short term issue, buying a CB who can play and that’s all, waiting Hummels is avalaible or someone else ?
Vertonghen is a good player, maybe like can be Gary Cahill, but this one is good because he has Terry next to him tu rise his level (since 3/4 years). Who will be his partner then ? Jones/Verthonghen ? Is it enough to compete with Madrid’s attack, or even Arsenal’s ? Not sure.
And the last point… Levy… I f***g hate him really. He would sell us the player 20M/30M for sure this window
Anyway, Rojo was bought to play in a 3-5-2, but we played 4-4-2 two weeks later, so it proves that the mighty philosophy is wrong in that aspect.
If we have to buy Vertonghen, then right here we go. But in form, is he really better than Evans/Jones/Smalling ? Is he an upgrade? I’m not really sure. The other question, is he fit enough to play for us? What’s his injury record? I don’t know…
Are we really in for top class defenders or like Woody said, are we in for short term issue, buying a CB who can play and that’s all, waiting Hummels is avalaible or someone else ?
Vertonghen is a good player, maybe like can be Gary Cahill, but this one is good because he has Terry next to him tu rise his level (since 3/4 years). Who will be his partner then ? Jones/Verthonghen ? Is it enough to compete with Madrid’s attack, or even Arsenal’s ? Not sure.
And the last point… Levy… I f***g hate him really. He would sell us the player 20M/30M for sure this window
I actually was impressed with his defending when we played Ajax a few years ago in the Europa League. It was as if his ability on the ball translated to good general know-how, and quick thinking. I remember him stepping in and casually intercepting loads of passes. He looked very slick at Old Trafford, I remember.
It's since become apparent that he's not superb defensively (and that's not just a cliché because he's a ball-playing centre back) but I still like him.
I think he perhaps needs a a bit of new motivation.
However, there are surely better alternatives out there. There are still clubs finding bargains, and Tottenham will probably just attempt to wring us dry and/or sell him abroad for half the price, wasting everyone's time.
It's since become apparent that he's not superb defensively (and that's not just a cliché because he's a ball-playing centre back) but I still like him.
I think he perhaps needs a a bit of new motivation.
However, there are surely better alternatives out there. There are still clubs finding bargains, and Tottenham will probably just attempt to wring us dry and/or sell him abroad for half the price, wasting everyone's time.
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Vertonghen, Rojo and Shaw would give us depth and cover for LCB, LB.
I don't know how Shaw and Blind even come into this. One was bought for midfield and one was bought to play left back.
Rojo was bought to play as a left sided CB, the formation is irrelevant. We need at least 4 CBs anyway and LvG seems intent on continuing with the left/right footed players on the left/right side of centre back so having a back-up - Rojo - for someone like Vertonghen makes sense.
If Smalling, Evans and Jones' injury problems persist then we can't keep them in our long term plans.
Blind is a midfielder he don't enter in this equation
In midfield we have Fellaini, Carrick, Blind, Herrera, Fletcher, Anderson and Pereira.
Fellaini was thrown through the window by Van gaal and only an injury made him stay, and he will probably leave this summer, Fletcher and Anderson are almost useless.
Which leave us with Carrick, Blind, Herrera, Pereira for a midfield three, two more players aren't too much. And you have to remember that we waited until the last hours to sign Blind, probably because we were still assessing Vidal injury repercussions.
He obviously wants a ball playing centre back with a bit of pace. We tried for Vermaelen in the Summer, he chose not to come here. Wouldn't surprise me at all if we spent big money on Vertonghen in January.
Hard to say how it'll go for the rest of the season but I'd expect we'd be well clear of Spurs in the table. Paying them £25m or whatever he'd cost shouldn't strengthen them enough to finish ahead of us again.
Hard to say how it'll go for the rest of the season but I'd expect we'd be well clear of Spurs in the table. Paying them £25m or whatever he'd cost shouldn't strengthen them enough to finish ahead of us again.
he's at least on a par if not better -- but more importantly he can string two games together without getting injured.
given the dearth of defensive quality going around at the moment, i would definitely be interested for something around £20m.
If Vertonghen is available then LVG will certainly want him for all the same reasons as he wanted Vermaelen in the summer. Blackett would be the one to miss out if he joined.
Unfortunately, as it's Spurs, he won't come cheap.
Unfortunately, as it's Spurs, he won't come cheap.
I think on the Second Captains podcast recently they interviewed some Spurs supporting journo with a double-barrelled name who said that Vertonghen was a problem last season and has fallen out with every manager including Pochettino. Apparently he's been warned a couple of times about his attitude and application. Didn't paint a very flattering picture of his professionalism, tbh.
I'd be distraught if we paid anywhere near £20m for Vertonghen. Jesus.
That's the impression I've aways got from him. More bothered about getting on the ball.
His attitude seems flaky and isn't the type to dig in for you when things are going wrong. I've seen his head drop numerous times.
Spurs normally drive a hard bargain but they might want/need to sell him in January so there is a chance we might be able to pick him up for a more reasonable fee, he is a good player and for under £20m would be a decent signing as the going rate for any centre half is very high at the moment. Anything over that is too much though, but he is a leader, good on the ball and knows the league and I think he would be an ideal partner for Smalling who seems the most likely of the 3 crocks to play many games this season.
Rojo went for £16m and he's far from a finished product. Vermaelen went for £15m and he's permanently injured. £20m would be a fair price for someone who would fit into the system, has experience in big games, and provides some versatility.
Why might Spurs want or need to sell him January?
And he had problems with Januzaj with the national team, because apparently Januzaj humiliated him several times.
Overrated.
Gets so much praise for being good on the ball and for scoring goals, yet being a bit suspect for what he is primarily in the team for, defending!
Gets so much praise for being good on the ball and for scoring goals, yet being a bit suspect for what he is primarily in the team for, defending!
you mean just like Rafael who every pundit on the country thinks is "defensively suspect" and always has a "clanger in him"....
Because he’s lost his place as a regular starter and there is a good chance they will move a player or two on to bring in some new players. He is someone who can command a good fee and will be easy to sell, there aren’t going to be many takers for a lot of the other players Spurs might be willing to part with.
Has he lost his place as a regular starter? I'd doubt that. Pochettino has recently said "I am happy with Jan, for us he's an important player. We're in three competitions, we change the team a lot."
And when the FA Cup 3rd round arrives that'll be four competitions, assuming we're still in the League Cup by then. Besides, selling an experienced and accomplished CB mid-season would be a surprising move ... I don't think it'll happen.
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