Jamie Carragher: Spits in the face of 14 year old girl | Suspended by Sky

[lococol]

I dont think sacking Jamie is the answer. He should be kept as a pundit but as a punishment he should only be able to say negative things about Liverpool and positive things about united for a year.

 

[devilish]

I heard that Carragher will soon receive the worst of punishments for him. ie an open letter from Gerrard were he clearly state that he's dissapointed with him and will remove him from his fan club

 

[Ikon]

He should do the honourable thing and resign. If he fails to take that option he should be sacked. Full Stop..!

Just because he may be good at his job, a celebrity, or have been goaded is utterly irrelevant.

The father's actions are both stupid and illegal, and he should be dealt with by the Police accordingly.
However, this cannot be used as adequate justification for the scummy behaviour of Carragher.

 

[christinaa]

He should do the honourable thing and resign. If he fails to take that option he should be sacked. Full Stop..!

Just because he may be good at his job, a celebrity, or have been goaded is utterly irrelevant.

The father's actions are both stupid and illegal, and he should be dealt with by the Police accordingly.
However, this cannot be used as adequate justification for the scummy behaviour of Carragher.

And you think that Carra wants to lose his 1 Million pay ?

 

[Di Maria's angel]

He should do the honourable thing and resign. If he fails to take that option he should be sacked. Full Stop..!

Just because he may be good at his job, a celebrity, or have been goaded is utterly irrelevant.

The father's actions are both stupid and illegal, and he should be dealt with by the Police accordingly.
However, this cannot be used as adequate justification for the scummy behaviour of Carragher.

Should he ever be given a job, following this? People make mistakes, granted this is a really childish and disgusting mistake, he doesn't deserve to lose his job over it.

 

[JK-27]

He should do the honourable thing and resign. If he fails to take that option he should be sacked. Full Stop..!

Why should he resign? If you spat on a girl would you resign from your job? And if resigns from Sky but gets a job as a BT pundit is that OK? What does him resigning achieve for you? Do you want him to never have a job ever again?

 

[lsd]

Good point. No one said a word about that. for an hour

Really ? Majority of the posts here are about the driver .

 

[Dec9003]

I think spitting on a young girl is definitely a sackable offence. You can't represent a company as big as sky sports and expect to get away with something like that.
Somebody said it right earlier when they said what will he say when a player next spits at someone during a match? Will they all have a little joke in the studio about how Jamie was spitting at a minor?
Nah, I'd sack him right away, typical Scouse behaviour.

 

[SteveJ]

Really ? Majority of the posts here are about the driver .

Yep - one line about Carragher being in the wrong, then four paragraphs about the crimes of Deadbeat Dad*.




*Not Daniel Sturridge, btw.

 

[Ikon]

Why should he resign? If you spat on a girl would you resign from your job??

I wouldn't even have the opportunity to resign with grace. I would face instant dismissal.
I find it incredible that the celebrity culture of this country even makes this debatable.

 

[Cascarino]

I wouldn't even have the opportunity to resign with grace. I would face instant dismissal.
I find it incredible that the celebrity culture of this country even makes this debatable.

Celebrity culture? If I spat at someone in my time off I wouldn’t be fired. And I’m no celebrity.

 

[soccerMad]

Carra in the wrong no matter what the other driver did, period.

Man-up take the punishment and move on.

 

[Jim Beam]

Really ? Majority of the posts here are about the driver .

The dad driving issue has been beaten to the death and also discussed only a few posts above the one I replied. It was a joke.

 

[BenjaminP]

He shouldn't resign. Is spitting a criminal offense or something? Yeah a little girl blah blah, he should apologize, but let's move on.

 

[Lowkey]

I feel like there should be more hilarious gifs and memes in here

 

[Zlatan 7]

He shouldn't resign. Is spitting a criminal offense or something? Yeah a little girl blah blah, he should apologize, but let's move on.

it is actually

 

[Vialli_92]

He should resign and take a break from the spotlight

Come back when it has blown off to another TV studio

I don't think he won't be short of oppotunities

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I don't think he should necessarily be fired. If the employer feels they want to disassociate themselves from his behavior and take a stand then that's alright. But I imagine he's been wound up big time and reacted in the heat of the moment (pathetically). But this isn't sexual assault, rape, racism etc. where it's an automatic termination for me. Poor form and mental behavior but a suspension seems right.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

He shouldn't resign. Is spitting a criminal offense or something?

Yes.

 

[AndyJ1985]

He shouldn't resign. Is spitting a criminal offense or something? Yeah a little girl blah blah, he should apologize, but let's move on.

Yeah it is

 

[JK-27]

I wouldn't even have the opportunity to resign with grace. I would face instant dismissal.
I find it incredible that the celebrity culture of this country even makes this debatable.

This is nothing to do with celebrity, and you're not seeing the point. So he resigns/get's fired by Sky. And then what? He should never work again? Time is reversed and the girl never got spat on? What does him resigning/getting sacked achieve?

According to the girls own dad “We don’t want him to lose his job. It is not about that. We wanted an apology and explanation. He seems contrite. Everyone makes mistakes, we are all human.”

So if her own dad doesn't want him sacked, I think it's more telling that in this day and age we have people who weren't involved in the incident, don't personally know anyone involved in the incident, don't employ Jamie Carragher, and who will not care about this tomorrow going around calling for people to be sacked. Get over yourself.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

I don't think he should necessarily be fired. If the employer feels they want to disassociate themselves from his behavior and take a stand then that's alright. But I imagine he's been wound up big time and reacted in the heat of the moment (pathetically). But this isn't sexual assault, rape, racism etc. where it's an automatic termination for me. Poor form and mental behavior but a suspension seems right.

This is the thing though, by his own admission he had been goaded by a few other fans along the way. I don’t know the length of time between the last goading and this spitting incident, but it’s more than enough time to analyze your own behaviour and come to the logical conclusion that this is just fans winding you up. There’s no physical threat to him, just banter, which he’s dealt with on many occasions.

What’s the likely cause of this is deeply rooted anger management issues, which I hope he actually takes ownership of, and doesn’t just say he’ll go to some classes because his bosses think it’s a good idea. You don’t react the way he did because of “snapping” in the moment, he should have had the presence of mind to say to himself “ I’m going to be driving on the motorway back from Manchester to Liverpool there’s a high probability that some fans might recognize me and wind me up. Best take it on the chin”

Get the man the help he clearly needs, and then give him the chance to redeem himself.

 

[BenjaminP]

it is actually

Yes.

Yeah it is

Then he should feck off.

 

[redflair]

Carragher has resembled a character in a Cronenberg movie in that his real motives and feelings have only come to the surface after being 'pricked' (you know what I mean) by the enemy.

He spent almost all his studio time, defending United, on the verge of combustion, rubber-faced, intense and almost on the verge of eruption with that wobbly visage of his, a meltdown appeared minutes away.

And it came with a vegeance out on the road. We now what he said in the studio was a giant whopper and his true feelings came later, a wild, desperate reaction to an everyday idiocy, something football fans are usually murmuring in their sleep.

This means his judgement as a pundit is compromised - and that's why he has to go.

 

[RobinLFC]

This is the thing though, by his own admission he had been goaded by a few other fans along the way. I don’t know the length of time between the last goading and this spitting incident, but it’s more than enough time to analyze your own behaviour and come to the logical conclusion that this is just fans winding you up. There’s no physical threat to him, just banter, which he’s dealt with on many occasions.

What’s the likely cause of this is deeply rooted anger management issues, which I hope he actually takes ownership of, and doesn’t just say he’ll go to some classes because his bosses think it’s a good idea. You don’t react the way he did because of “snapping” in the moment, he should have had the presence of mind to say to himself “ I’m going to be driving on the motorway back from Manchester to Liverpool there’s a high probability that some fans might recognize me and wind me up. Best take it on the chin”

Get the man the help he clearly needs, and then give him the chance to redeem himself.

Truth is you can only guess what the likely cause for this incident is, and all the rest is pure assumption on your part.

 

[cyberman]

@JK-27
I see your point being made time and time again. Why is being fired equated to never working again? Many people are fired and they find work elsewhere. One does not automatically mean the other.

 

[JamesO]

Carragher has resembled a character in a Cronenberg movie in that his real motives and feelings have only come to the surface after being 'pricked' (you know what I mean) by the enemy.

He spent almost all his studio time, defending United, on the verge of combustion, rubber-faced, intense and almost on the verge of eruption with that wobbly visage of his, a meltdown appeared minutes away.

And it came with a vegeance out on the road. We now what he said in the studio was a giant whopper and his true feelings came later, a wild, desperate reaction to an everyday idiocy, something football fans are usually murmuring in their sleep.

This means his judgement as a pundit is compromised - and that's why he has to go.

I'd have said it shows the complete opposite, and actually highlights what a good pundit he is in that he can hide his true feelings, any club loyalty and bias, yet still deliver a fair and balanced summary and analysis of the game.

Think about it, how many of us could do that involving the team we support straight after a painful loss against your rivals?

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Truth is you can only guess what the likely cause for this incident is, and all the rest is pure assumption on your part.

It’s more than an educated guess given all the information I have, and I do know a thing or two about it.

 

[RobinLFC]

It’s more than an educated guess given all the information I have, and I do know a thing or two about it.

Unless you know Carragher on a personal basis you have as much of a clue about why he did it than I do, which is none. "Given all the information I have" ffs.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Carragher has resembled a character in a Cronenberg movie in that his real motives and feelings have only come to the surface after being 'pricked' (you know what I mean) by the enemy.

He spent almost all his studio time, defending United, on the verge of combustion, rubber-faced, intense and almost on the verge of eruption with that wobbly visage of his, a meltdown appeared minutes away.

And it came with a vegeance out on the road. We now what he said in the studio was a giant whopper and his true feelings came later, a wild, desperate reaction to an everyday idiocy, something football fans are usually murmuring in their sleep.

This means his judgement as a pundit is compromised - and that's why he has to go.

What did he say in the studio?

 

[redflair]

I'd have said it shows the complete opposite, and actually highlights what a good pundit he is in that he can hide his true feelings, any club loyalty and bias, yet still deliver a fair and balanced summary and analysis of the game.

Think about it, how many of us could do that involving the team we support straight after a painful loss against your rivals?

Listen, I sort of agree with you. He's always been way better than G Nev but let's not get into that can of worms.

My point is that he still representing Sky when he's driving away from the ground, because he's technically still 'on the job' (expenses etc...) - but that almost deadly shift in character within a couple of hours lacks integrity and makes almost everything that came before compromised.

That's all. I really have no view on the incident apart from the fact it's unsavoury etc...like everyone else.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Unless you know Carragher on a personal basis you have as much of a clue about why he did it than I do, which is none. "Given all the information I have" ffs.

Nope, It’s perfectly okay to extrapolate from this based on what I observed and what I do know. Do you think a therapist needs to know a patient personally, or that they can come to logical assumptions within half an hour of their first session? I’m analyzing behaviour patterns, and I can say with confidence he has anger management issues. Now the term “anger management” encompasses a fair amount, and when I say it I mean that Carraghers aggressive defensive thinking styles (power based, perfectionistic, oppositional and competitive) are probably fairly prominent in his life. Now what you saw unfolding when he spat, was an “amygdala hijack”, strengthened by the fact that those 4 thinking styles really don’t compliment dealing with perceived conflict very well. Most of us have a 90 second window of unconscious emotional response, so when Carragher decides to do what he did, the most logical assumption is there are issues with how he deals with conflict/anger.

 

[JK-27]

@JK-27
I see your point being made time and time again. Why is being fired equated to never working again? Many people are fired and they find work elsewhere. One does not automatically mean the other.

I'm afraid you don't see my point so I'll try again. My point is this:

If he gets fired from Sky he will get another job elsewhere, and probably as a pundit and still in the public eye. So what does firing him from Sky achieve? What retribution do people actually want? That he not be a pundit on Sky? Why? Why should he not be a pundit on Sky but becoming a pundit on BT Sport after be OK?

Firing him does not achieve anything. The incident has happened, it can't be undone. Making him get another job is petty, not even the girls dad is asking for this, so why are people calling for it? If he's broken the law then punish him within the law, which states he should pay a fine. The law doesn't say punishment is losing your job, so why are people asking for that?

Why do we have trial by public opinion these days? I'm just bored of all the fake outrage and media witch hunts that go on. Imagine if we really did live in a world where trial by public opinion was the rule. It'd be absolute carnage. Calm down people and move on.

 

[Pace Abuser]

Yeah it is

Only if there is a complainant, which there isn't.

 

[redflair]

What did he say in the studio?

Well, as the post-match analysis went on Souness and Sheringham were mainly getting onto the Mourinho 'pragmatism' debate and Carragher was basically saying 'what do you expect him to do' and, in general, defending United because he felt they'd done a good job in keeping Liverpool at bay.

That was the gist of it.

The point I'm making to my esteemed Liverpool friends is: how authentic was that, judging by what he did out on the road later?

We know integrity and truthfulness isn't always the highest benchmark for our worldly pundits but in this case, simply because of the time elapsed, I feel Carragher's has been compromised because of the sudden and sharp change in behaviour.

 

[Random Task]

This thread is descending in to a Liverpool vs United debate, if it has not already. Predictable.

Don't see how anyone can defend Carra given the facts of the incident, Liverpool affiliated or otherwise.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Carragher has resembled a character in a Cronenberg movie in that his real motives and feelings have only come to the surface after being 'pricked' (you know what I mean) by the enemy.

He spent almost all his studio time, defending United, on the verge of combustion, rubber-faced, intense and almost on the verge of eruption with that wobbly visage of his, a meltdown appeared minutes away.

And it came with a vegeance out on the road. We now what he said in the studio was a giant whopper and his true feelings came later, a wild, desperate reaction to an everyday idiocy, something football fans are usually murmuring in their sleep.

This means his judgement as a pundit is compromised - and that's why he has to go.

Well that's rubbish. He's been the most balanced pundit sky have had for ages. He's had a road rage incident and messed up, nothing to do with his job. He's probably done stuff like that before when cut up at a junction, but it's never been filmed. He might need anger management, but his punditry role is fine.

 

[JK-27]

Nope, It’s perfectly okay to extrapolate from this based on what I observed and what I do know. Do you think a therapist needs to know a patient personally, or that they can come to logical assumptions within half an hour of their first session? I’m analyzing behaviour patterns, and I can say with confidence he has anger management issues. Now the term “anger management” encompasses a fair amount, and when I say it I mean that Carraghers aggressive defensive thinking styles (power based, perfectionistic, oppositional and competitive) are probably fairly prominent in his life. Now what you saw unfolding when he spat, was an “amygdala hijack”, strengthened by the fact that those 4 thinking styles really don’t compliment dealing with perceived conflict very well. Most of us have a 90 second window of unconscious emotional response, so when Carragher decides to do what he did, the most logical assumption is there are issues with how he deals with conflict/anger.

Nah mate, I'm with Robin on this one. Your 'educated guess' is still just a guess. The fact is you know nothing about what was going on because you weren't there.

 

[Random Task]

Nah mate, I'm with Robin on this one. Your 'educated guess' is still just a guess. The fact is you know nothing about what was going on because you weren't there.

The video of the incident is as conclusive as it gets, what else do we need to know?

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Nah mate, I'm with Robin on this one. Your 'educated guess' is still just a guess. The fact is you know nothing about what was going on because you weren't there.

Fortunately I know enough about human behaviour.