I will never understand the confidence with which people on the internet confidently diagnose public figures of stuff like "mental weakness" or "needing anger management therapy". Professionals spend years learning to correctly diagnose such ailments.
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How can he continue on as a serious pundit?
Look how much criticism Gary Neville gets for his Valencia stint. Even on here. Gary can't critique a manager without it being brought up as if a handful of games overrides his trophy-laden playing career.
Carragher's case is different. It's not in the context of football.
How can he be micro-analyse and be scathing of a player's decision making , or a team's character when this is how he reacted after a short goad?
How can he talk about managerial sackings with a straight face when what he has done is a sackable offence.
Look how much criticism Gary Neville gets for his Valencia stint. Even on here. Gary can't critique a manager without it being brought up as if a handful of games overrides his trophy-laden playing career.
Carragher's case is different. It's not in the context of football.
How can he be micro-analyse and be scathing of a player's decision making , or a team's character when this is how he reacted after a short goad?
How can he talk about managerial sackings with a straight face when what he has done is a sackable offence.
I think you answered your own question with your point about Neville unless I am not understanding well. Being able to identify an issue and point to a failing requires a different skill set and qualification than applying said knowledge to oneself. Neville's inability to coach as in transfer his message across, create the right environment, man management, be tactically inventive, etc ... has nothing to do with whether or not, he can actually identify those problems and see them in action. The latter is what he needs to be a pundit and his managerial career does nothing to suggest he lacks in those areas.
When it comes to Carragher, being unable to control yourself and having a tendency to lose your temper says nothing about his ability to see those issues and diagnose them. For one to assume so, we have to believe that humans are perfectly logical creatures with no separation whatsoever between what they think is right and what they do in any given circumstances.
And decrease the surplus population!
He's been convicted of two previous road rage incidents as well.
He clearly has anger management issues that need to be addressed.
Just made about 6 minutes before giving up, what the feck is wrong with humanity.
Re: subject, he's mentally not right in the head, have a proper assessment, that's not something a normal person does.
Its a genetic defence mechanism scousers have
You would expect the management team at Sky to adopt a very similar view on the matter.
Don't see how he could ever be taken seriously again, which is a shame because he is a very good pundit.
I haven't watched it that shite rots the brain.
People who do bad things like this word. Mistake. Sounds innocent and forgivable doesn't it? It has a ring of "I didn't mean to ..." But the spitting was deliberate, wilful and intentional.
Words like sordid, squalid, and nasty are more appropriate.
No, you're talking rubbish. Nothing to do with his job? He's still at work. How on earth does a man defend United so virulently and then turn on someone who's just pointed out the score a few hours later? Borderline derangement. Serious issues with what comes out of his mouth in the future.
Basically means he's been saying what he wants people to hear but deep down inside he despises United ? I have a workmate who is a scouser and he hasn't made eye contact since the game. He's been huffing and puffing about the office. They have no etiquette or respect and know nothing about love for the game win or lose. I've lost all respect for this dimwit I have to work with. They are all just very immature.
Does anyone actually believe Carragher would still have offered his tearful apologies if he hadn't been outed by the Daily Mirror?
Pretty amazing that this thread has expanded to 37 pages long 
Imagine that, wanting an explanation. He did something stupid because you harrassed him while driving genius.
Yes but compare it with Eddie Jones’ reaction when abused by Scotland fans after the Calcutta Cup.
He also admitted getting far worse when he played.
Something called self control when you are in the media. You know not driving alongside the guy, hanging back until he was ahead or any number of scenarios but confrontation in these social media obsessed times
I don't disagree with you on Neville. But that's not the point I'm making.
Neville's appeal has diminished somewhat because of Valencia but it's in footballing context.
Carragher's actions is a stain on his character which is harder to get over.
If Carragher calls a piece of defending a disgrace or accuses a player of stupidity, it's going to go right back in his face.
Yeah, a mistake is a result of carelessness, of not paying enough attention and suggests that the action or the outcome of it wasn't intended. Spitting on another person isn't a mistake, it's a disgusting, deliberate action.
Yet another own goal for carra. He keeps increasing to the tally even though he retired from football
I can't see how anyone can condone this at all. It's a deplorable act
Who's condoning it? There's a difference between condoning and rejecting the idea that the man should lose his job over a mistake.
Nobody was calling for Rooney to lose his job over a far more dangerous act. Nobody's calling for Marcos Alonso to lose his job despite killing someone by driving drunk.
So why's this so much worse?
Shite
Disgusting from Carra and rightfully suspended by Sky. Not sure what they'll do from here but if he loses his job for good, then he's only got himself to blame. What a dick.
On then other side, the driver is a bit of a twat as well. Clearly the video only shows a small part of the whole incident and what the feck is he doing filming whilst driving on a motorway and talking to someone out of his window?
I feel sorry for the girl. Her dad is a twat and then she gets spat at by another twat, poor kid!
On then other side, the driver is a bit of a twat as well. Clearly the video only shows a small part of the whole incident and what the feck is he doing filming whilst driving on a motorway and talking to someone out of his window?
I feel sorry for the girl. Her dad is a twat and then she gets spat at by another twat, poor kid!
Of course it will but my argument is that it shouldn't. Him being stupid does not mean he lacks the ability to identify stupidity in others. Being over weight does not necessarily mean one does not know what a healthy diet is and that the way they're living their lives is not the healthiest.
What he did was disgusting but forgivable. However I do think that it will make his position as football pundit/moralist untenable in an Angus Deayton way. Sure he can still criticise a player for playing badly or making the wrong tactical decision. But I think he will stuggle to criticise any player or manager lashing out emotionally, be it spitting, kicking other players or verbally abusing the ref. Which makes up quite a lot of a pundits job these days.
Anyone he - or Sky Sports for that matter - criticises has an immediate come back.
If he had angrily called the guy a cnut or told him to feck off then I don't think it would be such a problem, but I don't think you can come back from spitting over a family.
Anyone he - or Sky Sports for that matter - criticises has an immediate come back.
If he had angrily called the guy a cnut or told him to feck off then I don't think it would be such a problem, but I don't think you can come back from spitting over a family.
Completely agree that he should also be reprimanded.
Don't think it's odd that not many people are talking about it, since Jamie is the media personality that's in the spotlight.
He will definitely have something to cheer him up this morning.
oh dear...
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/man-utd-fan-who-filmed-14407999
You know what I don't get though, he's missed his chance at a free hit, I mean Carra pulls in front and stops any decent chap would got out perhaps a quick few words perhaps not before a sound punch on the hooter, why would he pass that up ?
Bizarre
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/man-utd-fan-who-filmed-14407999
You know what I don't get though, he's missed his chance at a free hit, I mean Carra pulls in front and stops any decent chap would got out perhaps a quick few words perhaps not before a sound punch on the hooter, why would he pass that up ?
Bizarre
Really hope he doesn't lose his job over this, because as much as we all seem to love judging others, all he did was make a poor decision.
Is spitting disgusting? Yes. Have I done it in a bad moment in the past? Yes. Have I seen plenty of others do it? Yes. Does that make it acceptable? No. Am I proud of the fact I lost it? No. Should I have lost my livelihood as a result?
It's a mistake. Dress it up any way you want, it's a mistake. Is it worse than throwing a (relatively) unprovoked punch at someone? I'm sure many will say "absolutely", but is it really? I mean, one can cause death, and the other gets someone's face a little wet.
I hope the monkey like mob mentality that tends to surround these incidents dies away, and I hope Sky are sensible enough to see this for what it is. You shouldn't lose your job over one mistake. No one should. So I certainly won't be calling on Sky to fire him.
Is spitting disgusting? Yes. Have I done it in a bad moment in the past? Yes. Have I seen plenty of others do it? Yes. Does that make it acceptable? No. Am I proud of the fact I lost it? No. Should I have lost my livelihood as a result?
It's a mistake. Dress it up any way you want, it's a mistake. Is it worse than throwing a (relatively) unprovoked punch at someone? I'm sure many will say "absolutely", but is it really? I mean, one can cause death, and the other gets someone's face a little wet.
I hope the monkey like mob mentality that tends to surround these incidents dies away, and I hope Sky are sensible enough to see this for what it is. You shouldn't lose your job over one mistake. No one should. So I certainly won't be calling on Sky to fire him.
Heard he's been driving around Manchester this morning shouting "2-1" out of his window.
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Bit of a difference in being a shit manager and spitting in the window of a football fan thou.
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Suspended for the rest of the season.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-jamie-carragher-until-end-of-football-season
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-jamie-carragher-until-end-of-football-season
it's beautiful.His P45?
It seems like Sky will take him back
"we will ensure he gets the help he needs to guarantee something like this never happens again.
"Before the start of the next season we will sit down with Jamie to discuss whether he is ready to return to his role."
"we will ensure he gets the help he needs to guarantee something like this never happens again.
"Before the start of the next season we will sit down with Jamie to discuss whether he is ready to return to his role."
The help he needs . Spare me.
. Spare me.This sounds like a soft exit to me, I'd say he will leave by mutual consent at some point.
I was going to vote for the 3rd option regarding his punishment. But then I realised, in Liverpool you never walk alone.
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