He should be sent on loan either in January or at the end of the year.
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Spot on. Think you can only give the opinion of he would be good out wide from watching his videos on youtube. Those who are regular watchers of the ressies will understand what he is all about. He comes alive in the box. class act we cant stall his development by making him a winger
Not going over this again but, I refute the suggestion that you can only have a differing opinion if you don't watch the reserves.
Natural striker.....let's play him out wide!
Anyone who watched him in the reserves would be very excited to see him play as striker, and would have never seen him wide unless they watched him early in his U18 career.
As one of his biggest fans I find this idea that he should play wide coming from people who haven't watch him to be pretty silly, to put it nicely.
He is a #9, its pretty obvious. He almost always plays there and has constantly excelled there. Why change anything?
Yeah but then who comes if Rooney gets injured and RVP has one of his inevitable injury spells?
He'll get game time with us, for sure.
So I haven't watched him in nearly enery game for the last two years, telling anyone who would listen that the best English striker since Shearer plays in our youth team(s)?
Some patronizing cnuts on here at times.
Inside-forward or wide striker is not the same as "out wide" or winger.
If you think u18 and u21 football directly translates to first team football only older, then it is no wonder you struggle to grasp what I'm saying.
I rate him as high as anyone, but I don't expect to see him as a regular centre-forward for 4-5 years.
Remember when we played Schalke and Neuer had a madness of a first half against us? If i remember correctly I think it was Giggs who was slotted in by rooney, Neuer came out and made himself look big but giggs kept his shot along the ground and it broke the deadlock. We obviously went on to win 4-1.
That was the first leg and United won 2-0 that match. The 2nd leg United won 4-1 and had 2 Anderson goals and a Gibson goal.
He might be a 9 long term but I can't see him as a lone/lead the line striker at PL level for 2-3 years until he - excuse the cliche - bulks up and gets to grips with the physicality. So I think in a 433 we would see him mostly as a wide forward and he has the tools to do well there and potentially it could become his best position. I think he would really benefit if we do switch to a diamond because he could do well in a front two even at his age, as his physique would be less important. At youth levels he has looked like a man amongst boys but that simply wont happen in the PL whilst he is still just a young lad.
Wut, I thought it was the second leg. My bad.
I think if we continue with the 352 which looks likely it may suit Wilson a little more to start with, just due to the fact he doesn't, as others have said have the physique to lead the line as a sole forward in a 433... yet, at his age.
Some saying he should be sent out on loan.. personally I think hes ready to make our bench week in, week out, if he were at any other club that didn't have a Rooney, RvP and Falcao he'd certainly be pushing hard at this point, I can't even grasp how many clubs would be falling over themselves to get him on loan should that happen. (doubtful it will)
Some saying he should be sent out on loan.. personally I think hes ready to make our bench week in, week out, if he were at any other club that didn't have a Rooney, RvP and Falcao he'd certainly be pushing hard at this point, I can't even grasp how many clubs would be falling over themselves to get him on loan should that happen. (doubtful it will)
He still has plenty of time to go out on loan, if he could get the right move, I would be all for it. But the odd appearance this season and a good number of games for the reserves will be good at this stage. He is still very young, we are just too impatient when it comes to wanting to see players come through.
If we played a proper front 3 then would playing from the left like Neymar does at Barcelona hurt Wilson?
Any game time is going to benefit him but if we played with 3 up front, I think Di Maria and Januzaj would stop him getting any time in that role.
Are you drunk?
Did I say anything about your opinion or whether you've watched him?
You were defending those who say they think he would be better playing in wide positions rather than centrally, without actually ever having seen him play beyond his two United appearances.
We're not taking about those who have seen him develop, like yourself, we're taking about everyone else. So please don't insult me I'm not questioning your personal qualifications to judge Wilson's potential to be better in wide positions rather than central ones.
Sure, those who don't know him can take a quick glace and think, 'interesting player wonder if he would be even better out wide (or as an inside forward or a wide striker)'. Everyone is entitled to an opinion of course.
But their knowledge base is extremely limited, like someone who has only studied politics for a month and drawn their conclusions already.
Fair enough, but don't expect those who have been studying it for years to be impressed.
And to some extent the opinion of someone who has seen a football player for one game and a sub appearance don't hold as much weight as those who have been watching him for years.
Whether it would be good for his development is beside the point, we're only taking about the value and quality of the opinion of someone in regards to a player they've seen for less than two games.
(As an aside, since you have watched Wilson develop, I would not roll my eyes at your argument about why he would be better in wide positions, if you want to make one, or direct me to where you've already made this argument.)
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Wilson is a natural predatory finisher. To shunt him out to the wing in some sort of Welbeck role would be criminal. I don't think Van Gaal will ever play him as anything but a central striker.
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He isn't going to be starting many games with RVP and Falcao in front of him.
Needs a loan ASAP. Hopefully to a Prem team, as he's clearly already good enough.
Needs a loan ASAP. Hopefully to a Prem team, as he's clearly already good enough.
There will be no loan. LVG needs 4 strikers in the squad - that's why Welbeck was sold. If he'd been intending to loan Wilson out he wouldn't have allowed Welbeck to go.
This is not the best situation for Wilson. He needs to be playing games most weeks, simply because he's 100% ready and it would be futile holding him back just so he can score hat tricks in the reserves every other week.
However, there is the possibility that if Van Gaal insists on always playing two strikers for the rest of the season. That he (Wilson) still may get a descent amount of playing time, as it will then mean that we will have four players competing for two slots, rather than four players competing for just one.
I should imagine he'll start in the FA Cup and a few league games against bottom half teams. Plus a few runouts as sub when we're 4 or 5 up against the likes of Liverpool and City
Nothing new here really but it's exciting times for Wilson. Can't wait to see how he develops.
Think 2/3 seasons under those 3 strikers, RVP will be 33/34 and he'll be prime to move up for first XI place.
Wondering Is he still injured, btw ? Not got any updates.
He played in the behind closed doors friendly against Bury the other day and scored
He'll get game time this season. All it will take is a injury to one of Falcao, Rooney or Van Persie and he'll be almost certain to come on as a sub, especially if we play two up top. Injury to two of them at the same time and he'll start.
Ah ok thanks. The Sky article mentioned Herrera, Rafael, Anderson featuring in a 4-2 win and didn't spot him in the training clips so was wondering.
Any idea who the other scorers were ? And who else featured from the younger lot ?
The amount of pressure the media and we are putting on him already is crazy!
If he get's 10 or so games this season including subs, he'll probably grab a few goals and that 10 games at United will be worth more then playing 30+ elsewhere. We need to look after his development and fitness. Unless we thought he needed to be brought down a peg or two
Who would you rather he learn from? Average players or world class players? What better environment for the him then Old Trafford? What a boost we've given him by selling Welbeck and loaning out Hernandez and some people would crush him by just loaning him out? Even if it was till Jan, he'd come back in the same situation. You might argue he'll have had games under his belt but he's training with the first team. If he get's selected playing for our first team, he'll have earnt it.
Who would you rather he learn from? Average players or world class players? What better environment for the him then Old Trafford? What a boost we've given him by selling Welbeck and loaning out Hernandez and some people would crush him by just loaning him out? Even if it was till Jan, he'd come back in the same situation. You might argue he'll have had games under his belt but he's training with the first team. If he get's selected playing for our first team, he'll have earnt it.
My biggest worry for him is is fitness and whether or not he can remain injury free for the next few years. He definitely has the potential to surpass Welbeck, whether he will get to the next few levels above (RVP, Rooney, etc) no one can know.
Wouldn't a loan out be counter-productive and a waste of time considering the following :-
1. He wouldn't be learning positive traits from world class players
2. He wouldn't be taking in important lessons in developing a knowledge of LvG's philosophy
If the philosophy learning is a crucial component to learning to perform in his system, why would moving elsewhere make sense?
1. He wouldn't be learning positive traits from world class players
2. He wouldn't be taking in important lessons in developing a knowledge of LvG's philosophy
If the philosophy learning is a crucial component to learning to perform in his system, why would moving elsewhere make sense?
I see this 'staying to be tutored by world class strikers" thing is another 'redcafe-ism' that was started by someone and is now been regurgitated by other users like sheep.
One of the daftest logic you'll see, people think he'll improve more by training with Falcao(even though he'll keep warming the bench whether he is ready to play or not because he'll never get game time ahead of our "stars" upfront), than actually playing competitive games. Redcafe logic at it's best.
At his age, there is much he can learn by being around 3 top strikers. He has to get gametime though.
Think at his age training with WC players and playing the friendly games we do behind closed doors in between helps him improve actually.
Given his physical frailties and injury issues i'd rather not loan him right now. PL window has passed now anyway and he'd get kicked in the championship without protection.
Who suggested loaning him anyway right now ?
Given his physical frailties and injury issues i'd rather not loan him right now. PL window has passed now anyway and he'd get kicked in the championship without protection.
Who suggested loaning him anyway right now ?
He can learn everything but he'll never show it on the pitch if he doesn't play regulary, and I don't see him playing too much football with the competition he has and with us not playing the Champions league and League cup. Btw I am not suggesting the loan either, my point is just that Falcao signing will stall his progress, and not help him like some people (want to) think.
Exactly my thoughts. Saved me writing them down!
Spending a year as an 18 year old competing for places with three of the top ten strikers in world football at their peak is hugely beneficial to any young talented player who believes he can reach that level. He can learn so many good habits in terms of positioning, movement and decisions as well as how to carry yourself as a professional at the very top. You'd be stupid to think he wont benefit.
However, if 18 monthss down the line he's still not getting regular gametime then you'd start to worry.
However, if 18 monthss down the line he's still not getting regular gametime then you'd start to worry.
I don't see how its just rhetoric. You would learn a lot in those training sessions with Falcao, Rooney, and RvP to tutor him. You learn from playing but you can't learn everything from it.