Great counter attacking sides always had a pure roaming playmaker. Kaka's AC Milan had Seedorf and Pilro, and Rui Costa just before.
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Well that Pretty much explains the change in tactics Under Anchelotti and Zidane. James is More suited to a slower Build up Posession based system While Bale is more of a counter attacker.
I'll trust Mourinho to make the right call. Too many armchair managers here questioning James' ability/attitude when he's better than anyone we have in his position at the moment.
Still not true. He built his Chelsea team in second stint also more possession the season they won the league. Even with great wide players, the spine was still with the central area with Matic, Cesc, Oscar/ Ramires... If you look closely at Mourinho teams, midfield dynamic often be holding-balancer-no playmaker.
Pogba can still get enough involvement even playing deeper. He has more midfielder's tool than Lampard to require to play in similar role to Lampard to get his chance. We paid part of that sum for this. Pogba can play deeper too. He has the tool to be a play maker in midfield. Griezmann would be ideal as you said, but it's not like he's surely getting here & we shouldn't look at other options now lest that transfer wouldn't go through. And disagree that James would be needed to be accommodated more than Griezmann. If anything Griezmann is more forward and should & usually stay further up front leaving the midfield more work to do. James is a no 10 and tend to bridge the area between the midfield & forward lines... Look at France NT, Pogba had to play even deeper in 2 men midfield for Griezmann sake. They have a wide play maker in Payet & not long ago had to use a headless chick wide player in Sissoko to add workrate to balance the team.
Disagree again. Zidane tried to bring back balance in the team like under Ancelotti first season. As I said again & again, they don't have really wingers. 2 wing forward & Benzema would mean that 2 men midfield can't carry all the defensive duty. James is no 10 and not a third midfielder.
Perez fecked Ancelotti's second season with James signing & then demanded Bale to be played centrally with James being shunt to the wing. All that supported by midfield 2 of Modric & Kroos
Benitez also tried to play 2 men midfield. What happened with James is that Benitez tried to convert him into the third midfield. As no 10, his workrate is Okay, but he is not midfielder.
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Mate We have Pep ,Klopp ,Conte,Pochetino and Wenger in the same league against us with very less difference in quality, Ofcourse we have to be worried of the tactics . We Basically need to Replace Rooney Outright and James is not the suitbale player to take that pressure day in day out , He i think would crack under pressure and Mourinho is a ruthless manager so expect a bench role often .
He was not Playing against the Likes of Pep Klopp Pochetino and Conte at that time it was pretty easy against Moyes and Against Lvg he Basically parked the bus for 90 mins at the bridge and managed to score 1 on the counter . This Epl era is altogether a different dynamics now
Now I am pretty sure you don't watch much football if you think Mourino's Chelsea in his second stint always parked the bus... I'll leave this discussion here. It's pointless discussing when argument is based on nothing.
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Being strong in central area doesn't automatically mean a counter attacking, defensive team. Brazil, Argentine throughout various generations doesn't utilize wingers too often. Their wide attackers are more wing forward, and they play through center, yet they're often well known as attacking teams, playing on front foot.
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We dont need a Pure No 10 , We need wide player More to balance the squad. We need a Player with all round Dynamics to replace Wayne Rooney as the face of the club , James aint got the ability and attitude to Replace rooney.
And For Epl Defenses Yeah You need Pace.
Yes he parked the bus against Posession based teams that's pretty clear.
How many games in a league season?
So what's your point? So because there are handful of possession based teams, we should play counter attacking all games, you meant? Or you meant James in the team can't play counter or possession football in the same season? Did you read what I wrote about Griezmann as a forward & less no 10 or midfielder?
Well I dont think We can consider these two deals as seprate deals , If we go for james De Gea is pretty much Going too as madrid are looking for a keeper .
They are trying for De gea with or Without james Sale ,us intrested in james would make it a whole lot less easiser to find a solution for them. We cant consider ourselves as title contenders signing James.
I'd give Perez £15m and Fellaini and that would be my final non-negotiable offer.
If We want to win the Epl and challenge for other trophies in europe in next 2 seasons , we can not play reactive counter attacking football with this squad because our defense is not strong enough and our Wide players lack the capabilities to carry the ball from defense to attack and score.
Mate we are basically looking to replace rooney as the new face of our attack who can do everything ( playing as a 10 second stiker on the wing and strikers positions as well) while as a squad we lack wide wing players for a balanced squad . James signing nither makes us title challenges nither he replaces Rooney through and through as a attacking face and he wont be able to take that pressure and would crack under it with mourinho's rutheless management as a attacking face while also collides with Mkh and mata in central areas as well in a no 10.and we are left with no wing players to balance the squad. We Would Be just Overloading central areas without any wingers. and no Replacement for Rooney who could share goal scoring burden with Zlatan. Makes no sense of a signing.
I'd rather use 35 m For sanchez lucas moura perisic or OX
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Agree to disagree yet again. No we're not replacing any of our players like for like especially now under Mourinho: not Rooney, not Carrick, not Zlatan whenhe leaves... Pogba would be the face of the club. As I said Mourinho built team through central area (read don't bring the nonsense of defensive counter attacking football for every team strong through central area). Even without wingers, counter attacking is alive: AC Milan under Ancelotti usually plays without wingers, who were wingers for Mourinho's Porto Inter teams? Ancelotti's Chelsea set PL goal scoring record while playing weird shape...
Do you think we just let our defense be and no further improvement? Weird. You realize Pep is City's coach, not us right? You project your ideas, but have nothing to back it up through tactic, player ability analysis, yet you still talk like you can see the future! Strange to say the least.
Excuse me for leaving this discussion for good. Cheers
He'd before us what Di Maria was for Mourinho at Real. With a better scoring rate. If we were to bag him
So We are not replacing rooney , Not planning for Life After Zlatan and sharing a goal scoring burden with him, Not going for Lukaku, and should buy a pure no 10 when we have 3 10's already? Really? And play Martial and rashford as 2 strikers with a Diamond in the centre of anchelotti milan claming Mournho's teams have a strong spine in the central areas? Even If we Switch to a Diamond We already have Mkh and mata at 10 and Still we cant go into a epl season without wingers .
While Defensive counterattacking football is not a nonsensical argument it makes perfect sense because you buy to perfect the philosophy your are playing now
You just mixed everything up... look at the conclusion .
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He wants out because like Isco he has no place in the Real first XI in the near future. And his plight can only worsen if Hazard or Aubameyang end up there.
Basically madrid is forcing him out as the board interferes with the team and starting line up too building a smoke screen of him wanting out while it funds De gea transfer for them.
The guy who spent 90m on Pogba and is now playing him in a midfield 2...?
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of José, and I think he's the right man for the job, but make no mistake, Mourinho needs a good transfer window this Summer.
And what I mean by that isn't just signing names that make us excited - it's making damn sure that it works next season.
The Pogba transfer (and how it's played out over this season thus far) has definitely left me a bit less confident of the Mourinho and Woodward combo.
You don't want out of sort number 10s rocking up at Old Trafford, not now, it's crazy.
We wanna be signing players who are playing regular football that's comparable to how we want to play.
Players who are PL proven and also fit the above I really think should be given priority.
Can't Arsenal take him?
Balague says 35M Euros would do it, I know he's full of shit but if the actual price for him is that then we should get him. In today's market that would get you an overpriced English youngster.
No thanks. Next.
For the right price (and assuming James would agree to it) he'd be a assign coup for a side like Spurs. Not sure he'd lower himself from Real Madrid to Tottenham, though. Likewise, Liverpool.
I like how Real Madrid fans come in here telling us how great he can be and how well he would suit us. I find that quite telling.
He isn't a Sneijder or a Robben, he's van der Vaart mk. 2. Do Not Want.
Behave, he isnt better than both combined or he wouldnt be let go. That season was obviously an outlier
For all the paper talk, we don't know if Mourinho really favors James being at OT next season. Pogba's struggles this season are down to him getting adjusted to the league and being played in less of an attacking role than he's used to in France and at Juve. An upgrade to Fellaini (more disciplined CM) and having a world class CAM (as I don't rate Mata at that level, and Mkhi is a RM) in front of him to play off of will do Pogba a world of good. As for not being PL proven was Mata, Pedro, or Herrera PL proven when they transferred over to this league? James plays for one of the top 2 clubs in Spain so I think he'll do alright.
I'd take him. He's better than what we have. Better than Rashford will ever be most likely
I'd go for him if the price was right. We need players who can actually deliver high quality play and link up with the few others we have but he does look slow in recent seasons. I seem him as an attacking player, I'd rather Pogba get a strong midfielder along side.
I'd look to how Carlo played him in a 433 or 442
I'd look to how Carlo played him in a 433 or 442
We would be the slowest team in the top half, if we sign him.
I hear comments like this & I start to not feel good about having Jose for too long.
One season with him and our own fans give up on youngsters who are not even playing in their proper positition
Stay strong man! We as a club have an identity and it is not what is holding us back.
Don't think so. The problem is that while James was fantastic playing in a sort of attacking box-to-box role, after the initial bedding period, Bale was shunted to the flank as an out-and-out right winger instead of playing as an inside forward. We played in a slower, more controlled fashion with more ball possession in central areas. With Cristiano playing as striker, and Benzema playingc as striker, it often forced Bale to remain wide, plus instead of seeing a lot of the ball and in dynamic situations, he was seeing less of it and usually received it on his feet from a still position, making him easy to contain
It's something Ancelotti had understood, and Benitez and Zidane as well. All 4 can't play together well, unless you're completely giving up on balance and decide to try to outscore the opponent. Ancelotti was forced to do that and it worked for the most part because James and Cristiano were incredible, Bale while bad is still Bale, and Benzema is Benzema. Benitez lost the locker room before he began, and Zidane initially tried to follow Ancelotti, but as soon as he realized it didn't work against the best teams, he put back in Casemiro and it worked wonders, convinced him that was the best way to go. Managers are stubborn, they will usually stick with what works. James pays his bad attitude and form during the first 6 months of that season and the need to cater to Bale
He never going us to improve us plus we already have two many players for that single position, I don't want him here.
How could he not improve us when Lingard plays in a similar role? Like you're completely delusional if you think the two are even comparable. I even like Lingard but to say he wouldn't improve us is simply wrong. Honestly he's probably better than Martial/Rashford atm (though they have more room to improve)
Whether or not we should want to sign him is another story.
No Lingard and James not playing in similar position as I always thought that James best position is behind the striker in hole where we already have Mata/Miki/Pogba plus I doubt James can contribute enough to the defensive side of the game as much as Lingard does with us.
No.
Don't really rate Rodriguez. He scored a worldie at the World Cup and got snatched by Real Madrid, haven't seen him do anything in the last few years, not impressed and we'd be forced to pay a hugely inflated price. Don't rate him, look elsewhere.
Carrasco on the other hand though...
Don't really rate Rodriguez. He scored a worldie at the World Cup and got snatched by Real Madrid, haven't seen him do anything in the last few years, not impressed and we'd be forced to pay a hugely inflated price. Don't rate him, look elsewhere.
Carrasco on the other hand though...
Please god no. Unless we are selling on mata and mhikitarian. Teams built out of number 10s dont do well
Spain could do well without a real 9 and out out wingers. Did so well they won the Europe with false no 9. It depends on how the team is built.
I guess i consider winning the premiership a lot tougher than winning the euros
Spain could do well without a real 9 and out out wingers. Did so well they won the Europe with false no 9. It depends on how the team is built.
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