James Rodriguez | joins Bayern Munich | 2 year loan

[devilish]

No he aint, Mkh is way better than him and so is martial and Rashford while mata is better technically and close control wise only slower. He does'st suit Zidane system than how do you expect him to suit Mourinho's? He has low work rate, his accelaration is not that fast nither he works defensively. His off the ball vision is lacking to attack the space. We need more counter attacking dynamics in the squad and he does not make the cut over griezmann.

He does not have the hard work attitude and Jose would surely bench him most of the time due to it. He is the second ozil , Might be good for arsenal but not united level.

Oh please that's so not the case , If he's that good than i would recommend barcelona to buy him and replace arda turan or Andre gomez in the squad because he is better than some of barcelona players too in the starting 11 itself. And besides Real madrid would just want to make it easy to lure de gea so they plant all these sort of non nonsensical stories in the media.

If we do buy him, then I think we'll play him as a shadow striker in 4-2-3-1 formation. He's quite a scorer and an assist machine and at 35m he's quite a steal.

There's alot of positions we need to strengthen and we won't be able to spend 80m for each of them

 

[prtk0811]

or maybe they want to get rid of his salary.

We won't be adding loads of 80m rated players so James Rodriguez might do the trick. My only concern is his attitude.

He aint 80 m, he is way overrated. He is just like ozil. Its Real madrid you expect these stories from them.

 

[devilish]

He aint 80 m, he is way overrated. He is just like ozil. Its Real madrid you expect these stories from them.

And we're not going to spend 80m on him. 35m is a fair price.

Salary won't be an issue either. We just gave 100k to Lingard it won't be a problem double it for a player who can actually dribble past an opponent

 

[prtk0811]

If we do buy him, then I think we'll play him as a shadow striker in 4-2-3-1 formation. He's quite a scorer and an assist machine and at 35m he's quite a steal.

There's alot of positions we need to strengthen and we won't be able to spend 80m for each of them

We need Wide players not cams , besides Griezmann is also a multifunctional player, Pogba as of now can not play in a 2 man midfiled with herrera so a 4231 makes no sense. Mata Mkh Lingard Andreas peirera Can all play a cam or second striker role if we were to play a 4231 in few games but we'll mostly play a 3 man midfield.

 

[prtk0811]

And we're not going to spend 80m on him. 35m is a fair price.

Salary won't be an issue either. We just gave 100k to Lingard it won't be a problem double it for a player who can actually dribble past an opponent

We have our very own Andreas peirera who's doing well on loan and might get a chance next season. This deal is only proposed to lure de gea on the cheap and we have brains above our head.

 

[ti vu]

I wish I can trust BallBag here. 35 mil Euro would be a steal aka another Sneijder transfer. He's motivated to move, and not being judged by big price tage. 35 mil Euro is not much these day with average players like Benteke moving to average teams for that much. Unlikely.

 

[PepsiCola]

No he aint, Mkh is way better than him and so is martial and Rashford while mata is better technically and close control wise only slower.

Martial Rashford Mkhi and Mata are not of the same quality, sorry.

 

[prtk0811]

And we're not going to spend 80m on him. 35m is a fair price.

Salary won't be an issue either. We just gave 100k to Lingard it won't be a problem double it for a player who can actually dribble past an opponent

If De gea goes we should only consider Kroos Modric or Varane in a swap deal , Varane is also a injury prone player so is 50 50

 

[devilish]

We need Wide players not cams , besides Griezmann is also a multifunctional player, Pogba as of now can not play in a 2 man midfiled with herrera so a 4231 makes no sense. Mata Mkh Lingard Andreas peirera Can all play a cam or second striker role if we were to play a 4231 in few games but we'll mostly play a 3 man midfield.

If we buy Griezmann then he would be playing pretty much in the no 10 role (ie a shadow striker). Griezmann shouldn't be played as a winger. He's the better option of course, but there again, he'll cost a bomb and we wont have alot of 80ms to spend either.

Regarding the flanks, as RW, Mkhitaryan is great on the right and Lingard will act as his cover whether we like it or not. Martial is quite decent on the left and we also have Rashford but yes we do need to add more competition there.

If we buy Griezmann/Rodriguez then Mata is a goner. Rodriguez/Griezmann will be first teamer as a shadow striker

 

[devilish]

If De gea goes we should only consider Kroos Modric or Varane in a swap deal , Varane is also a injury prone player so is 50 50

swaps rarely occur.

 

[prtk0811]

Martial Rashford Mkhi and Mata are not of the same quality, sorry.

James Will Flop in a Mourinho system i am sorry.

 

[PepsiCola]

James Will Flop in a Mourinho system i am sorry.

Can I borrow your crystal ball? Wouldn't mind winning the lottery.

 

[ti vu]

For the price mentioned by Balague, it's a no brainer. Attitude problems aside, he is a quality player. A maverick of sorts who can score some outrageous goals. 35 mil is cheap change for us, worth taking a punt, although I'd rather have Bernado Silva brought in for a little bit more.

I doubt Bernado Silva would be just a little bit more than 35 mil EURO. Monaco knows how to sell their player, and Bernado Silva is becoming a hot prospect

 

[prtk0811]

Can I borrow your crystal ball? Wouldn't mind winning the lottery.

Well its not hard to predict as the players strenghs are not suitable to the off the ball dynamics required in a Mourinho's style. Lacks work rate Lacks vision and Lacks defensive qaulities which are a bed rock of Mourinho's game.

 

[prtk0811]

If we buy Griezmann then he would be playing pretty much in the no 10 role (ie a shadow striker). Griezmann shouldn't be played as a winger. He's the better option of course, but there again, he'll cost a bomb and we wont have alot of 80ms to spend either.

Regarding the flanks, as RW, Mkhitaryan is great on the right and Lingard will act as his cover whether we like it or not. Martial is quite decent on the left and we also have Rashford but yes we do need to add more competition there.

If we buy Griezmann/Rodriguez then Mata is a goner. Rodriguez/Griezmann will be first teamer as a shadow striker

That's assuming that we play a 4231, But pogba and Herrera cant become a defensive block in the midfield so a 4231 makes no sense and if another player is bought than herrera will be benched when he had the best season for us this season.

Expect a 433 , 4312 or even a 3412 next season 4231 will only be used in some games and besides James wont like to play a squad role and would not make the cut under mourinho. Mata is already well settled here .

You need a mixture of young and worldclass exp players to win and mata is better placed consistancy wise.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Ive never thought he was that good, was utterly shocked when madrid forked out all that cash!

 

[ti vu]

Well its not hard to predict as the players strenghs are not suitable to the off the ball dynamics required in a Mourinho's style. Lacks work rate Lacks vision and Lacks defensive qaulities which are a bed rock of Mourinho's game.

You must not watch him much to come to this conclusion. His off ball movement is very good. He would be up there rivaling Pogba in creativity. He's much more influential than he's given credit for. Real Madrid just happened to have different dynamic & other influential players higher up the pitch or deeper, which James is the sacrifice for team balance. He doesn't lack workrate if you watch him. Mourinho's no 10 doesn't need to run around tackling every body. As long as he works hard to keep position & team shape, he's more than good enough. Deco is not your defensive no 10, he worked hard enough and learnt to do thing effieciently, and he was Mourinho's 2 ideal no 10 (Sneijder is another one).

Edit: By that I meant James is not far off from Deco stylistically

That's assuming that we play a 4231, But pogba and Herrera cant become a defensive block in the midfield so a 4231 makes no sense and if another player is bought than herrera will be benched when he had the best season for us this season.

Expect a 433 , 4312 or even a 3412 next season 4231 will only be used in some games and besides James wont like to play a squad role and would not make the but under mourinho.

Sorry, but you're off the mark. Mourinho clearly intended 4231 from the get go with Pogba signing. Clearly we're in the market for a no 10 or second forward. We're getting better defensively, enough so that we can focus on the other side of the pitch scoring. If Mata despite his physical flaw can be an important part of Mourinho's team, then James is more than good enough.

 

[United Pro]

He aint superior just got more pace , and besides we have Mhk and probably giezmann in the summer who play in similar areas, No need to trade off mata a already settled player at united we dont need cash from player sales.

He's technically and creatively just as good as Mata, while also being taller, stronger, faster, a better dribbler, better set piece tacker, superior long range shooter and is over 3 years younger, so likely hasn't even peaked yet. Saying that, I would prefer Griezmann over James, or even if the deals aren't related, I'd prefer a pacy right wing that can dribble better over him. But, what I was saying was, if James is available at a price that is similar to the one we can sell Mata for, it wouldn't be the worst deal.

 

[carvajal]

35m is a bargain.It should be at least 50.Since Mendes is his agent they should invite De Gea to the talks

Well its not hard to predict as the players strenghs are not suitable to the off the ball dynamics required in a Mourinho's style. Lacks work rate Lacks vision and Lacks defensive qaulities which are a bed rock of Mourinho's game.

What off the ball dynamics? As @giorno wrote with Ancelotti he got 11km/game.
He has the limited defensive qualities of every #10 but he has a lot of vision,if you mean vision for an assist.

 

[prtk0811]

I'd rather go for Carrasco - who is supposed to

Sorry, but you're off the mark. Mourinho clearly intended 4231 from the get go with Pogba signing. Clearly we're in the market for a no 10 or second forward. We're getting better defensively, enough so that we can focus on the other side of the pitch scoring. If Mata despite his physical flaw can be an important part of Mourinho's team, then James is more than good enough.

Which failed badly in City and Chelsea and Watford defeats earlier on in the season and since then Mourinho has realized he cant play this way because our squad is not meant to be a defensive Block and counter, We have to play on the strenghts of the whole squad and not only the first team.

Herrera has such a decent season you can not expect him to be on the bench, Fellani is defensively Positionally exposed everytime by faster players around im and lacks the passing vision so he is useless too in a 4231 as a defensive player , Herrera is a pressing machine so him sitting back makes no sense while We have enough cams in the team , What we really need a wide player and not a no 10 because griezman can also play a second striker role when needed.

James is not a need and is not good enough to handle the pressure at united specially Under Mourinho, He is not a Mourinho type player once bit

And besides will you be ok If we get James and just 20 - 30 m For De gea and will have to spend atleast 50 m to get oblak or 40 m For inexprienced Donnarumma who's yet to be developed. Makes Absolutely no sense. Its like We are Letting Madrid win the Market and also the ucl over us where we want to get soon.

This story is basically Planted for United to get softer on De Gea and Do a Beckham Reverse on us .

 

[prtk0811]

35m is a bargain.It should be at least 50.Since Mendes if his agent they should invite De Gea to the talks

What off the ball dynamics? As @giorno wrote with Ancelotti he got 11km/game.
He has the limited defensive qualities of every #10 but he has a lot of vision,if you mean vision for an assist.

Off the ball Dynamics means making off the ball attacking runs in space to recive a pass from the deep. Off the ball vision means making off the ball runs in space to put in a tap in or recive the pass just like a ronaldo or bale would do.

 

[prtk0811]

35m is a bargain.It should be at least 50.Since Mendes if his agent they should invite De Gea to the talks

De gea is worth 100 m euros though including addones .

 

[devilish]

That's assuming that we play a 4231, But pogba and Herrera cant become a defensive block in the midfield so a 4231 makes no sense and if another player is bought than herrera will be benched when he had the best season for us this season.

Expect a 433 , 4312 or even a 3412 next season 4231 will only be used in some games and besides James wont like to play a squad role and would not make the cut under mourinho. Mata is already well settled here .

You need a mixture of young and worldclass exp players to win and mata is better placed consistancy wise.

I will be very surprised if we dont add 1 if not 2 dms next summer.

Goals is an issue. I can see mou playing pogba as a deep lying playmaker with mkhitaryan and a top quality inside striker on both flanks and James acting as a shadow striker behind ibra

 

[prtk0811]

He's technically and creatively just as good as Mata, while also being taller, stronger, faster, a better dribbler, better set piece tacker, superior long range shooter and is over 3 years younger, so likely hasn't even peaked yet. Saying that, I would prefer Griezmann over James, or even if the deals aren't related, I'd prefer a pacy right wing that can dribble better over him. But, what I was saying was, if James is available at a price that is similar to the one we can sell Mata for, it wouldn't be the worst deal.

No would spend the money on dembele than him.

 

[antohan]

Stronger version of Mata that is a good threat from distance as well.

Price would be ridiculous and we don't really need him.

Shouldn't be. Madrid have wanted to get rid of him for bloody ages.

 

[prtk0811]

He doesn't lack workrate if you watch him

Its like saying Ozil does not lack work rate. There aint much difference between James and Ozil.

 

[prtk0811]

Shouldn't be. Madrid have wanted to get rid of him for bloody ages.

Exactly

 

[AN17]

I doubt Bernado Silva would be just a little bit more than 35 mil EURO. Monaco knows how to sell their player, and Bernado Silva is becoming a hot prospect

Yeah, got that part wrong. Still another 30-40 odd million wouldn't be that much of a deterrent if we are genuinely interested. Got age on his side and potential to be among the world's best.

 

[ti vu]

Which failed badly in City and Chelsea and Watford defeats earlier on in the season and since then Mourinho has realized he cant play this way because our squad is not meant to be a defensive Block and counter, We have to play on the strenghts of the whole squad and not only the first team.

Herrera has such a decent season you can not expect him to be on the bench, Fellani is defensively Positionally exposed everytime by faster players around im and lacks the passing vision so he is useless too in a 4231 as a defensive player , Herrera is a pressing machine so him sitting back makes no sense while We have enough cams in the team , What we really need a wide player and not a no 10 because griezman can also play a second striker role when needed.

James is not a need and is not good enough to handle the pressure at united specially Under Mourinho, He is not a Mourinho type player once bit

And besides will you be ok If we get James and just 20 - 30 m For De gea and will have to spend atleast 50 m to get oblak or 40 m For inexprienced Donnarumma who's yet to be developed. Makes Absolutely no sense. Its like We are Letting Madrid win the Market and also the ucl over us where we want to get soon.

This story is basically Planted for United to get softer on De Gea and Do a Beckham Reverse on us .

You haven't watched us lately? We have started to reverse back to 4231 ever since Carrick got found out against L'pool. We have played less midfield 3 than midfield 2 since then as Carrick form started to dip as well as we need the extra attacker than a midfielder against most teams who tend to sit deep than trying to have a go at us. As I said, while our defense is still not top class, it's getting better than the start of the season. This enables us to go with midfield 2 just fine. Herrera also improved a lot. At the beginning of the season, Fellaini played since the lack of physicality at the back with Blind & Bailly (not really convincing aerially). When Blind got dropped at CB & Smalling got back into the team, Fellaini also started to lose his spot too. It's more about team balance than the hypothetical player x is not suited for y tactic. I repeat one more. With our defensive unit improves (Bailly has plenty potential, Rojo Bailly partnership can be promising too), Pogba (still have room for much improvement) & Herrera (who improved a lot), 4-2-3-1 works just fine. We can fix the left back position then we can improve even more.

You talk like Griezman is surely in the basket, when it's nothing is certain for the time being. How can you judge that James can't handle the pressure at United? How do you know the price of players? Do you work as agent with ITK info?

 

[ti vu]

Its like saying Ozil does not lack work rate. There aint much difference between James and Ozil.

Then you're clearly not watching enough of James to make this comment. Sound like making assumption on player based on their Real Madrid connection & the role they play than their actual performance, attribute.

 

[prtk0811]

Then you're clearly not watching enough of James to make this comment.

Madrid do not let go for no reason, there is always one. Dint we learn anything from Di maria?

 

[VP89]

Madrid do not let go for no reason, there is always one. Dint we learn anything from Di maria?

I'm not advocating buying James but this logic is questionable. Di Maria was always overrated tbh.

Also, Robben. Or a better comparison - Sneijder.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Not near good enough.

 

[prtk0811]

I'm not advocating buying James but this logic is questionable. Di Maria was always overrated tbh.

Really? Why they want him out since long? and why they want to replace Navas still 29? They want the best, They wanna keep the best and they wanna lure the best according to them, under perez. There can be no second thought.

 

[GM K]

That's assuming that we play a 4231, But pogba and Herrera cant become a defensive block in the midfield so a 4231 makes no sense and if another player is bought than herrera will be benched when he had the best season for us this season.

Expect a 433 , 4312 or even a 3412 next season 4231 will only be used in some games and besides James wont like to play a squad role and would not make the cut under mourinho. Mata is already well settled here .

You need a mixture of young and worldclass exp players to win and mata is better placed consistancy wise.

Jose does not play only one formation. He switches. That's why he's always looking for players who can follow his instructions to the letter.

 

[ti vu]

Madrid do not let go for no reason, there is always one. Dint we learn anything from Di maria?

What @VP89 said.Real Madrid is not infallible. We got sucker punched with Di Maria because we bought a player who clearly preferred to be somewhere else. Already said few times, that Di Maria wouldn't mind being a squad player at Real Madrid. Being kicked out he clearly saw it as an upset so decided to go to a nicer city. PSG couldn't sort out their cheque book in time or he would have gone there in the first place

James is clearly not happy as squad player & has been making noise for a while. If the report is true that he wanted to come here, the attitude is completely different from a Di Maria. You still hear Griezmann not decisive about his future & he fancies a nicer weather, which Mourinho quickly made an odd comment about only want player who want to come, not those who look at the weather...

Really? Why they want him out since long? and why they want to replace Navas still 29? They want the best, They wanna keep the best and they wanna lure the best according to them, under perez. There can be no second thought.

Why Real sold Snejder & Robben to get Di Maria & Ozil, which the latters couldn't reach the former height at their peak?

Navas is never world class. He's very good at one time but this season has been disappointing. Real Madrid doesn't just want the very best, they tried to exploit us with DDG situation especially under LVG when they can get him easily for around 35 mil& they tried not to pay the cash, since Perez never deem defensive players valuable enough. Question is why Perez bought Navas in the first place if he only aimed for the best? Casillas was clearly past it at WC 2010, so there wouldn't any clinging hope for him to recover

It worked both way. Real Madrid can't play with 2 midfield. They need 3 midfielders to balance out for Ronaldo, Bale Benzema lack of defensive work! Already pointed out they have enough creativity up front & from deep so they don't need a creative no 10 which Perez would fancy when selling a workhorse in Di Maria for James. Logic doesn't work on Perez. If Mourinho sees James fit his plan, and James is motivated to come here & the fee is reasonable then it would work for our best interest. Caring too much about Perez's logic is like predicting lottery winning numbers

 

[Eyepopper]

I'd take him for €35m, even if only to sell him to China for double that in January.

 

[antohan]

I'd take him for €35m, even if only to sell him to China for double that in January.

He wouldn't go. That's the issue Madrid has, they are stuck with him and he refuses to be shifted. I wouldn't want that with a player likely to fall out with Mourinho.

I'd try a loan with an option to buy. Difficult, but if he is open to coming Madrid get rid of his wages (+ some form of loan fee), he gets to play and we don't risk too much.

And even that only if we don't have better options.

 

[VP89]

Really? Why they want him out since long? and why they want to replace Navas still 29? They want the best, They wanna keep the best and they wanna lure the best according to them, under perez. There can be no second thought.

I don't want to derail this to a Di Maria thread but he was an underachiever at Real and over-achieved in his final season which is in part why we bid such a high amount for him. He was surplus to requirements and forced out too (Ancelotti wanted to keep him).

Feel free to gaze over his stats - best league goal tally was 9 in a single season. He didn't contribute massively towards assists either.

Back to James though, I don't think we need him nor am I convinced by the resident Real fans opinion of him here. But for 35mm EUR we can't really make too much of a mistake?

 

[GM K]

I don't want to derail this to a Di Maria thread but he was an underachiever at Real and over-achieved in his final season which is in part why we bid such a high amount for him. He was surplus to requirements and forced out too (Ancelotti wanted to keep him).

Feel free to gaze over his stats - best league goal tally was 9 in a single season. He didn't contribute massively towards assists either.

Back to James though, I don't think we need him nor am I convinced by the resident Real fans opinion of him here. But for 35mm EUR we can't really make too much of a mistake?

I beg to disagree mate. Angel Di Maria was one of Jose's first names on his team sheet. He did not under achieve at all. At least not according to the person that mattered most - his manager. Jose's Real Madrid was hinged on a deadly counter attacking system which relied on long range incisive passers (Alonso, Ozil) and very quick forwards (Di Maria, Ronaldo) and full backs (Marcelo).

It's true, Di Maria was not great at goal scoring, but he always posed a threat with his speed, dribbles and shooting range. That helped to take away some attention from the guys who actually did damage - Cristiano Ronaldo, Kareem Benzema and Gonzalo Higuain.