Personal preference then. It's quite backtracking there that you now only applied this to PL.
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Chelsea and Mourinho won the league with a n°10.
No we shouldn't. We shouldn't be in a business to buy RM rejects.
He meant multi no 10s, which may have a point in PL. But that's backtracking after his initial post where there was no specification.
That Mourinho Chelsea's second stint could have multiple playmakers: Hazard, Cesc, Oscar, Matic but tactically, only one player doing no10 role while the others had different roles. Only in other leagues we saw multiple no 10s in same line up doing similar (exchanging) role.
I have never seen that.
Unless they're offered at a huge discount. 30 million pounds for James would be good business
Don't agree, it's not like it'll be £30 m & £80 k per wk, It'll be £30 m & £250 k per wk, which is why he is likely so keen to join.
We need to buy players we need, rather than players that are thrust upon us.
That's a bait to do the business for De gea for the cheap
Adding another player that is more technical and less individual quality (ie canbeat players) will do absolutely nothing for our attack. More of the same shit trying to break down a team through continuous passing in front of their defence.
If we want passers then you need the upper level players that can spot something that nobody else will. Not another Mata who is better at keeping the ball safe. Otherwise it has to be somebody that can beat a man and disrupt opposition defensive shape.
Imo we'd be best served killing two birds with one stone and signing Bernardo Silva if possible. Unfotunately it seems Real are very keen on him.
If we want passers then you need the upper level players that can spot something that nobody else will. Not another Mata who is better at keeping the ball safe. Otherwise it has to be somebody that can beat a man and disrupt opposition defensive shape.
Imo we'd be best served killing two birds with one stone and signing Bernardo Silva if possible. Unfotunately it seems Real are very keen on him.
He'd be expensive as well, It will serve us better to scout some talents in the market and sign them on the cheap, It ridiculous to sign players for huge fee every time.
Over the year, Del Piero Zidane, Totti & Del Piero in Italy shirt, Kaka & Rui Costa for a period at AC Milan, Isco & James at Real in previous second where they played narrow, VDV Snejder for Netherland & Real Madrid once upon time, Barcelona when Pep experiment Messi (tricky one since he can play across the front line, but he has all no 10 attributes and did carry the role from time to time) Iniesta Cesc with Mascherano was employed in midfield with Busquet Xavi...
Still living off his World Cup 2014 heroics.
Isco is ten times the player.
Isco is ten times the player.
sorry not saying we shouldn't have a ten, saying we shouldn't build a team around 2-3-4 number tens. Like a mata mhikitarian griezzman james rodri that does well on fifa and makes no sense in real like.
Nothing wrong with one number ten, and if have to shoe horn another in then that can be okay at times - my take on it
Would Rather spend on deli ali than James .
Alli would cost £80m+. Sure he's a decent enough player, but James is definitely better.
How are tottenham signing these players for 5 m, Where was our scouting network? But 80m? Seriously?
Your list is interesting because you put different players in the same bag and you even put players that aren't 10. For example VDV-Sneijder you have a playmaker and a goalscorer, same thing with Del Piero-Zidane, Kaka-Rui Costa these are players that have different qualities and play the game differently, they are barely able to do what the other does. Now Iniesta-Cesc they are also different Iniesta is great at creating by running with the ball or passing while Fabregas was good at passing but he is poor at controlling the game which was his downfall at Barcelona because they missed what Xavi was bringing to the table.
Also the #10 is not just a playmaker or an attacking midfielder, to be a 10 a player needs to be both but he also needs to play in that area behind the striker(s) and the midfield, in the end they are fairly rare the pure 10 are players like Riquelme or Aimar. All the other players are very flexible in the way they play and are better described as attacking midfielders and that's what James, Mata and Mkhi are, attacking midfielders.
It's hard to have too identical player in the teams let alone they develop in same role. Hardly any top players are too identical to one another. Point is if you cut all their extra quality, these players' core is of no 10 as you describe a bit of midfielder and playmaker.
About the Cesc thing, he experimented with Cesc in attacking position and have Xavi to control the game behind. This was the base idea that Del Bosque brought to EURO 2012 since their forward options were underwhelming.
I disagree if you solely describe Mata as attacking midfielders.For Valencia & Chelsea in certain game he was given permission to roam in front of "midfield" just behind the forward. Similar with Mkhi for Shakstar. If we're to strictly define the role then hardly any real no 10 left. Mourinho's no 10 again is not real no 10 but as you put attacking midfielder as that guy would need play much in midfield.
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Look at Bayern goal and noticed in an angle where Mata positioned himself
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But the thing is, they don't have the same roles and in most of the examples you gave, there is an attacker and a midfielder which is why you can clearly identify a goalscorer and a playmaker. Kaka, VDV and Del Piero weren't a all lot different to Griezmann.
You must be remembering thing different for those players. Griezmann made a lot of off ball run behind the defense even if he start behind the main forward. Kaka, Del Piero, VDV main area of operating were always behind the forward. Picked up the ball from midfield and bridged the gap between midfield and forward lines. They were part of midfield operation. Griezmann Alli, Muller, Totti since Spalletti more often than not would be the furthest point of the formation when the team are in possession.
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There is no absolute, but Griezmann in most game much less getting involved in build up this deep; while this used to be the norm for Kaka. See that he didn't rush to be the furthest of the formation even after the ball was spread wide despite being in position able to do so (indisciplined if doing so as it's not his job). Solely stationed behind the forward
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Compare for example to this a game where Atletico would have to play deep vs a better possession team, which assuming he had to operate deeper. Even with another striker, Griezmann touches were mostly very close to the tip of the formation, and actively try to rush into furthest/ forward position and leave the midfield & play making to other.
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Since the Barcelona game maybe unfair given Atletico didn't do well, so on the second thought, I picked another game here where Griezmann was the MotM.
Got more involved, but the point stood that he made more off ball movement behind the defense & trying to be the furthest player of the formation than supposed no 10.
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I've been asking that question for years. But yes, Spurs won't sell for any lower than that imo (that's even assuming they'd sell this summer, which I'd highly doubt even if we bid that).
We even played against him for MK Dons in the league cup where he was man of the match(if my memory holds up) Why we didn't go for hi then I will never work out
fecking VG could have signed him after the 4-0 drubbing but backed out. Think we could of gotten him for peanuts
I think Real are driving this as they want to lower the De Gea price by chucking James in, hopefully Jose is too smart to fall for it, they have other players that we actually need.
They do. I'll swap you some cash for a playerYa because swap deals occur all the time to be fair
How many games has he played since he went to Madrid?
102 games, 31 goals in 3 years.
That seems like a good record but I can't ever remember him playing in any Mardid game I've watched.
I don't recall him being particularly pacey either, so hopefully we steer clear
102 games, 31 goals in 3 years.
That seems like a good record but I can't ever remember him playing in any Mardid game I've watched.
I don't recall him being particularly pacey either, so hopefully we steer clear
Agreed. Anything over that is a day light robbery.
Agreed. Apparently he is on 120 k pounds a week. Which is not bad.
Exactly, But this loser James shares the same agent with Mourinho. So, maybe, he will come to us. but I hope not, if its expensive.
I would rather keep Rooney than buy this bloke
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Hold on mate. Give Pogba another season. You'll change your position. I recall the same was said about Modric, Bale, Drogba, De Gea etc in their first seasons (in their new teams).
Jose has many faults but he's a pretty decent dealer in the transfer market. His expensive buys often come good in the long term perhaps because he buys to fit exactly into what he wants in his teams.
Hold on mate. Give Pogba another season. You'll change your position. I recall the same was said about Modric, Bale, Drogba, De Gea etc in their first seasons (in their new teams).
Jose has many faults but he's a pretty decent dealer in the transfer market. His expensive buys often come good in the long term perhaps because he buys to fit exactly into what he wants in his teams.
Pogba's biggest issue this season is him missing all the chances. Aside from that he has been easily one of our most important players on the pitch, right behind Zlatan - who pull us out of trouble far too many times.
But back on topic. James will only be useful to us if we have the likes of Griezmann on the flanks. The biggest reason why we create so few clear cut chances this season is in my opinion the off the ball movement of our attacking players. Too much standing still, not making dummy runs, not forcing defenders to shift positions and attention, etc. Look back at the recent Everton game. Look at how dangerous Lukaku was all by himself in the box without the ball, he was just waiting for the cross. But that's because he was fighting and moving around. So we need more of that, but on the wings as well. Buying James is not going to change that. Either Martial, Lingard, and co. learn to do that over the summer, or we must buy one that does, ideally both.
That said, if we do managed to do that, James is not a bad choice. Given how everyone rates Isco higher than him, maybe we can buy James for cheap and have extra money to spend on other positions as well.
But back on topic. James will only be useful to us if we have the likes of Griezmann on the flanks. The biggest reason why we create so few clear cut chances this season is in my opinion the off the ball movement of our attacking players. Too much standing still, not making dummy runs, not forcing defenders to shift positions and attention, etc. Look back at the recent Everton game. Look at how dangerous Lukaku was all by himself in the box without the ball, he was just waiting for the cross. But that's because he was fighting and moving around. So we need more of that, but on the wings as well. Buying James is not going to change that. Either Martial, Lingard, and co. learn to do that over the summer, or we must buy one that does, ideally both.
That said, if we do managed to do that, James is not a bad choice. Given how everyone rates Isco higher than him, maybe we can buy James for cheap and have extra money to spend on other positions as well.
Nonsense. There's a ton of ex-Madrid players who would have been great here in the last decade: Robben, Cambiasso, Khedira, Ozil, Sneijder, Higuain, Xabi Alonso. And Di Maria should still be here.
The case for not buying James is that 10s are luxury players and a lineup of:
---------Ibra-----
Martial-James-Mkhitaryan
----Pogba--CM/Herrera---------
looks a bit wobbly defensively and when we play 4-3-3, James isn't a great fit anywhere.
Most of the player you're talking about made a great name at RM, what has James done? He is a Madrid flop, and Idk about you, but I wouldn't like a player that flopped at Madrid for 60 m quids. Simple as that.
He's no flop, the sad thing is that Real's system was very unbalanced with Modric, Kroos and James in a midfield 3, 3 players who played as a no 10 previously, they needed to play at least one CDM at agiven point, now Casemiro. With Bale, Ronaldo occupying the wings, and James not being able to play CM, there is no place for him. Thats more due to the fact Perez wanted a new toy than him being a flop.
Even we dont have a space for him in the midfiled in a 3 man midfield.
And Wasnt Di maria Sold the same way?
He is a better winger than all our wingers however. Better crosser, passer, shooter and finisher than most we have, can also beat a man but doesnt have very high pace.
Am I alone in thinking James would do better here than Mkhi or Mata. Flopping at Madrid, does not mean you are a shit player. He's had to play second fiddle to some great great players whereas we are a side which is 6th in the EPL.. I reckon he could be a big success here if we built a side around his talents.
There's really no way to build a side around James while also building a side around Pogba's strengths, he'll never have the defensive solidarity to coexist in a midfield two. We need a quick center forward and a top class wide player in the attacking third. James is neither of them.
Not too sure, think he had contract issues and didnt really feel appreciated. Maybe a bust with the fans too if I can remember properly and Real's interest in James, pushed him out.
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